YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, CNY315 said: RIP Ziggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 17 hours ago, Laughing Coffin said: Bills probably laid out their offer, and he still wants to shop himself around. I'm not butthurt if he doesn't sign with us. I feel like Buffalo would have to give him a lot here and he's been injury prone most of his career, with inconsistencies to boot. For some reason I'm not as concerned with his injuries as I am simply for the cost/benefit analysis for what he'd likely sign for. If Beane laid out a "judicious" offer and is okay if Ansah ends up taking it as the best offer at the end of the day, or goes elsewhere, I'm thrilled with that. Selfishly, I'm still hoping for a marquee trade with our remaining cap whether it be for a WR or DL. Tangentially, watching how much a lot of these players are getting [over]paid this year, I'd really like to use our considerable cap situation this year and next to either extend or re-sign some of our younger as well as foundation guys before Josh is up. Inflation is going to be crazy in the next few years under the cap, depending on the upcoming CBA too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 20 hours ago, H2o said: It's probably over guaranteed money. A lot of Beane's contracts are basically 1-2 year deals when you factor in the guarantees. Ansah is probably looking for a bigger payday since this may be his last chance to lock up a larger amount. In the end I don't expect NO's offer to be better, but their team is probably expected to accomplish bigger things this year. We'll see what he does. ...somebody here posted a McBeane quote awhile back...to paraphrase, "we place a value on a player and that's it".......TRANSLATION: "take it or leave it...no harm no foul"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 He left NO without a deal, maybe he’ll lower his asking price 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Sounds like the shoulder isn’t checking out 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Offer him 8mil take it or leave it, which h I'm sure is what Beane did, no way I would give that injury prone DE over 10mil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I don't think he's letting teams check out his shoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) The New Orleans Saints excited many fans when it was reported that they hosted Ezekiel “Ziggy” Ansah on a free agent visit. Ansah was an accomplished pass rusher and former first round draft pick for the Detroit Lions, and the Saints were just the second team to get a meeting with him once free agency began. But a report from Josh Katzenstein of the Times-Picayune suggests fans should temper hopes of a quick signing. Injury concerns in play for Saints, Ziggy Ansah strike two. where does he go? Edited March 15, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 He needs a prove it deal somewhere with good exposure and with an established pass rush so he can play clean up hitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: He needs a prove it deal somewhere with good exposure and with an established pass rush so he can play clean up hitter. So basically Dallas or Houston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So basically Dallas or Houston less contract $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I wouldn’t be surprised if we eventually snag him. Shoulder has to be proven ok, but if it pans out ok, it might be a 2 or 3 year deal for decent $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Buddo said: I wouldn’t be surprised if we eventually snag him. Shoulder has to be proven ok, but if it pans out ok, it might be a 2 or 3 year deal for decent $ how do you know shoulder checks out? i would be pleased Bills found a way. some one will have to go though. Murphy or Lawson in trade i suspect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buddo said: I wouldn’t be surprised if we eventually snag him. Shoulder has to be proven ok, but if it pans out ok, it might be a 2 or 3 year deal for decent $ He might be able to be had for a 1 year deal now but I bet Beane prefers 2 years since we currently have no pass rushers signed past this season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Buddo said: I wouldn’t be surprised if we eventually snag him. Shoulder has to be proven ok, but if it pans out ok, it might be a 2 or 3 year deal for decent $ I think at this stage of free agency most players aren't getting a multi year deal esp a player with injury issues. I think he gets a one year deal but how much is that deal worth is the question? I think he gets between 6-8 million but I could see it a little higher or lower. I would be pleased to see the Bills land him, low risk high reward. 7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: how do you know shoulder checks out? i would be pleased Bills found a way. some one will have to go though. Murphy or Lawson in trade i suspect ? I don't see why they would need a DE to go necessarily. They can carry Hughes, Ziggy, Murphy, and Lawson. Lorax plays linebacker and flexes into a pass rushing situations so I don't count him as a D-line player. Overall I think that the Bills are following the modern blueprint for defensive lines have a lot of subs and fresh legs rotating in and out as opposed to leaning heavily on a handful of star pass rushers. So I don't think Ziggy necessarily pushes someone out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I think at this stage of free agency most players aren't getting a multi year deal esp a player with injury issues. I think he gets a one year deal but how much is that deal worth is the question? I think he gets between 6-8 million but I could see it a little higher or lower. I would be pleased to see the Bills land him, low risk high reward. I don't see why they would need a DE to go necessarily. They can carry Hughes, Ziggy, Murphy, and Lawson. Lorax plays linebacker and flexes into a pass rushing situations so I don't count him as a D-line player. Overall I think that the Bills are following the modern blueprint for defensive lines have a lot of subs and fresh legs rotating in and out as opposed to leaning heavily on a handful of star pass rushers. So I don't think Ziggy necessarily pushes someone out. Lawson being on rookie contract seems easy to carry as run down in rotation. Murphy gets tricky. is he ever going to be fully healthy. and on that contract ? Still need to draft one as well. Lorax remains such nice wildcard for Bills +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 In his interview with John Murphy, Beane sounded to me like he is done with Ziggy. Didn't say It exactly, but his tone and how he said things sounded like the Bills have decided they aren't interested. Ziggy's price will have to come down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: In his interview with John Murphy, Beane sounded to me like he is done with Ziggy. Didn't say It exactly, but his tone and how he said things sounded like the Bills have decided they aren't interested. Ziggy's price will have to come down. I've not heard the interview, but I did see his comments at the PC after the signings. I think you're right, and it is why I said earlier, that it wouldn't surprise me if we signed him eventually, for decent money. Decent money being towards, but below, $10 million per, probably around $8 million per. I think that's the price point they are interested at, assuming the shoulder checks out ok, and I suspect Ansah was wanting north of $10 million per. I'd also say that that is the top end of what he will get, eventually ($8million per) as there doesn't seem to be a great deal of interest in him atm, likely based off of money demands being known, but also possibly because he couldn't currently pass a physical (guess). Earlier in the thread, someone quoted me and wondered how I knew the shoulder was ok. I absolutely do not. Please read my earlier post again, it simply doesn't say that, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I haven't slept in 3 days 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, Buddo said: I've not heard the interview, but I did see his comments at the PC after the signings. I think you're right, and it is why I said earlier, that it wouldn't surprise me if we signed him eventually, for decent money. Decent money being towards, but below, $10 million per, probably around $8 million per. I think that's the price point they are interested at, assuming the shoulder checks out ok, and I suspect Ansah was wanting north of $10 million per. I'd also say that that is the top end of what he will get, eventually ($8million per) as there doesn't seem to be a great deal of interest in him atm, likely based off of money demands being known, but also possibly because he couldn't currently pass a physical (guess). Earlier in the thread, someone quoted me and wondered how I knew the shoulder was ok. I absolutely do not. Please read my earlier post again, it simply doesn't say that, at all. Based on the way it’s playing out, I wouldn’t be surprised if he signs somewhere for a little over $5 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I see a bunch of raiders fans on Twitter talking about Ansah possibly signing there, but can’t find a report of him visiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Based on the way it’s playing out, I wouldn’t be surprised if he signs somewhere for a little over $5 mil I would be shocked if it came under $10m a year. His production and athleticism warrants around $12-14m a year. If it weren't for his shoulder he would easily get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Magox said: I would be shocked if it came under $10m a year. His production and athleticism warrants around $12-14m a year. If it weren't for his shoulder he would easily get that. Jets will hand him 20 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I see a bunch of raiders fans on Twitter talking about Ansah possibly signing there, but can’t find a report of him visiting The Raiders might be handing Ansah an IOU or Promissory Note as we speak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 People are predicting his worth with AAV which is likely insignificant in this situation. Ansah wants what every 30yr old FA with an injury wants -- term. He wants a contract that will keep him in one place for 5+ years with GTD money. The Bills (and every other team) want to give him a front-loaded contract that they can walk away from after 2 years if things go south (i.e. the type of contract where AAV truly means nothing). Signing him to a contract that says he makes $50M over 5 yrs doesn't mean squat if a team can cut bait on him after 1 yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I see a bunch of raiders fans on Twitter talking about Ansah possibly signing there, but can’t find a report of him visiting Raiders trying to buy a championship, which never works out. Wish we had something to trade to 3 first round picks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Ziggy is a funny name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 ...who cares if Zig zagged?...we're certainly not in cap strapped desperation to sign wounded ducks like Murphy or "Halftime" Davis nor to be fleeced by the likes of "Pitstop" Coleman......we'll be just fine... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Shaw66 said: In his interview with John Murphy, Beane sounded to me like he is done with Ziggy. Didn't say It exactly, but his tone and how he said things sounded like the Bills have decided they aren't interested. Ziggy's price will have to come down. Yeah he said something like "He was a good young man and I enjoyed meeting with him. He will continue to have visits with other teams and thats really the end of it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...who cares if Zig zagged?...we're certainly not in cap strapped desperation to sign wounded ducks like Murphy or "Halftime" Davis nor to be fleeced by the likes of "Pitstop" Coleman......we'll be just fine... I don’t think Ziggy is a big get anyways, the Bills needs sacks. Looking at his recent totals he doesn’t bring that as he once did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, CommonCents said: I don’t think Ziggy is a big get anyways, the Bills needs sacks. Looking at his recent totals he doesn’t bring that as he once did. I mean he have 12 sacks two years ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: I mean he have 12 sacks two years ago And two the year before in 13 games. His actual age is an unknown and at this stage in his career he seems to be a guy who only gets numbers when he is 100 percent healthy. How often are players that lucky? This guy’s arrow is pointed down. Edited March 16, 2019 by CommonCents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, CommonCents said: And two the year before in 13 games. His actual age is an unknown and at this stage in his career he seems to be a guy who only gets numbers when he is 100 percent healthy. How often are players that lucky? This guy’s arrow is pointed down. He has a lot left in his tank for a 52 year old 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Listen to the podcast he did with Fairburn and Buscaglia, Beane says that Ziggy's not healthy yet. Hard to sign a guy if you can't sign off on his medicals. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 16 hours ago, CommonCents said: And two the year before in 13 games. His actual age is an unknown and at this stage in his career he seems to be a guy who only gets numbers when he is 100 percent healthy. How often are players that lucky? This guy’s arrow is pointed down. And had 14.5 sacks the year before that, inconsistent sure but one a cheap deal worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 17 hours ago, matter2003 said: Yeah he said something like "He was a good young man and I enjoyed meeting with him. He will continue to have visits with other teams and thats really the end of it" That's the way I heard it. He didn't say anything like "we will continue to be in touch with his agent." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 ...thought I read "Dr Ruth's second medical opinion" is due on McBeane's desk Monday morning...stay tuned...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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