Lurker Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Trading top 10 picks for high price big names over 30 years old (who aren't QBs) is fools gold, IMO... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Not for 9.. Maybe 40.. Exactly my thought.....9 is a chance to get an impact player at lower cost for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdafacts Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 It's all over the Steelers media. It's all over Pittsburgh. But feel free to ban people because you disagree with the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I say NO , I say spend the money ( free agency) on OL , get TE , if possible trade down draft a WR and a TE , if not take a BPA at 9 and can still get a good WR in the 2nd , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: So we now know the Bills are willing to take a big swing on trading for a big time WR. The next two primo WRs who are ready to get paid (i.e. their teams need to determine if they are going to break the bank) are Julio Jones and Michael Thomas. I don’t think Thomas is an option because if the Saints can’t come to an agreement they can tag him next year. The Saints are also an immediate contender with a small window and won’t want to mess with Brees’ favorite target. Julio on the other hand wants a new contract and the Falcons are in a weird spot. Matt Ryan has a gigantic deal and the team hasn’t been good since they went to the SB. They also drafted a WR in the 1st last year. The trade comp would be higher than it would have been for AB because the Steelers had no leverage and he clearly tanked his value. Julio’s value is higher. So you are probably looking at a 1st. Let’s say we get Julio and a 4th from Atlanta for pick 9. But we also then need to make him the highest paid WR and beat the 30 mill gtd over the next 3 years that AB just got, total contract max 54 mill. He just turned 30 last month. Do you do it? No. I wouldn't be willing to give up a first round pick for him, and then make him the highest paid receiver. His age is a factor (not a disqualifying factor) but I don't think his talents would be as maximized as they were with Atlanta and Matt Ryan as his qb. Would I consider a trade deal for a second round pick? Yes. But I wouldn't be receptive to a first round pick unless the deal included a second round return for him. I would rather concentrate on rebuilding the OL and adding good second tier receivers. Getting a good TE from the draft, market or trade would also help to put Josh in a better position to succeed. Making Julio Jones the highest paid receiver on this roster doesn't seem to be the best way to distribute your cap money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: It's "not a fineable offense"? Yeah, which offenses are fineable? I've yet to be charged a penny for anything here. And yeah, a link to a rumor is not proof of anything. On the other hand, a link to a journalist with a source has some value. But an inability to link to anything .... People's opinions here are worth as much as LaCanfora? Yeah, um, right. When people on here say they have facts and can't back it up and that goes on and on it all becomes a game of chinese whispers. Don't back up your rumor and you won't be believed, and reasonably so. Don't have anything to back it up? Own that. It raises the level of the discussions here vastly when things are backed up with links. If you don't like the fact that proof of a take isn't linked just tell the poster. Nobody says you have to believe anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Mike Evans is my newest Trade TGT. Just signed a new contract last year though but again TB in the start of yet another rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdafacts Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Um...... 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: He's a mod. And he's right, you're in the wrong here. If you want your posts believed, back them up. If you can't, they generally won't be believed. It's not our job to check your (or anyone's) unsubstantiated rumors. "Check it yourself" is a common dodge for people who can't back things up. If I were to check every post where people say that and won't back it up, probably around 20% would turn out to be correct. 1 hour ago, vorpma said: So you are holding the 20 year failure of the Buffalo Bills organization on the last two years? You are all over it and the fan of the year! Right on, but facts will never play a role in many posts seen on TBD! No it's just people like you don't like the facts. There is proof of this being the trade all over Pittsburg. All over Steelers media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Give up a 3rd for desean Jackson. Perfect WR for Allen. Still the best deep threat in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Mike Evans is my newest Trade TGT. Just signed a new contract last year though but again TB in the start of yet another rebuild. I can’t see them moving on from him. They kept the QB, the GM is still there, he’s signed and young and Arians loves to throw the ball. obviously a younger #1 quality proven WR like him or OBJ is ideal but I’m trying to be somewhat realistic with who could potentially be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Nope. It only set the market for a WR who quit on his team, didn’t show up for meetings, and publically trashed his QB and GM not to mention various off field stuff. Most importantly one who is coming from a team with zero leverage in negotiations where the other team knows they need to get rid of him and had few options. Very different situation here. Where did you see what he offered? I’ve only seen speculation so far. I added a "to some extent" tag. And also had comp at two 3's...There is no way I do a deal for a 30-yr-old WR that involves a 1st or 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Lmao. Hes the best WR in the NFL. No he’s not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Justdafacts said: No it's just people like you don't like the facts. There is proof of this being the trade all over Pittsburg. All over Steelers media. No kidding, man you are all over it! Not disputing the trade attempt - kind of known by all - but dispute the attempt at integrating insider information cited without sourcing that attempts to make Beane look like a fool because you want something and want it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I can’t see them moving on from him. They kept the QB, the GM is still there, he’s signed and young and Arians loves to throw the ball. obviously a younger #1 quality proven WR like him or OBJ is ideal but I’m trying to be somewhat realistic with who could potentially be available. He might not be available same with OBJ. But hope Beane made those calls. I would take Julio on as well and put him on a 4 year deal with new money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I’d love Ridley or sanu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snafu Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Rico said: Tough call. I was never that big of an AB fan even before all the drama, but I would love to have Julio. I’d have to agree with Barbarian, we’re at least a year away from making this kind of a move. A year away, maybe. But if they wait to make a move like this next year, there may not be the opportunity to do so. I’d rather do the deal this year than wait and potentially not have a deal to do next year. That being said, I’d offer next year’s #1, or maybe swap this year’s #1s and give them our #2 — get a 4th or 5th back. The 9th pick is really a lot to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: I’d love Ridley or sanu I don’t know Sanu’s contract offhand but no way in hell they trade Ridley who is on a rookie deal for up to 4 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I can’t see them moving on from him. They kept the QB, the GM is still there, he’s signed and young and Arians loves to throw the ball. obviously a younger #1 quality proven WR like him or OBJ is ideal but I’m trying to be somewhat realistic with who could potentially be available. I wouldn’t get completely out of the 1st. If you can get a deal like Pitt gave for AB. Swap of 1st for Jones then we are talking. Bills get 14 and Jones Atl gets 9 and toss in a 4th. Maybe flip seconds too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I can’t see them moving on from him. They kept the QB, the GM is still there, he’s signed and young and Arians loves to throw the ball. obviously a younger #1 quality proven WR like him or OBJ is ideal but I’m trying to be somewhat realistic with who could potentially be available. TB moving on from Evans isn’t that far fetched. They are in a bad way cap wise and will have to cut some players anyways and they only have 6 draft picks this year. A lot of work to be done there in TB, couldn’t hurt to inquire what it would take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Mike Evans is my newest Trade TGT. Just signed a new contract last year though but again TB in the start of yet another rebuild. Now that is the expensive WR I’d be happy if they traded to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: I wouldn’t get completely out of the 1st. If you can get a deal like Pitt gave for AB. Swap of 1st for Jones then we are talking. Bills get 14 and Jones Atl gets 9 and toss in a 4th. Maybe flip seconds too. That would be ideal. I was just trying to be realistic knowing that while there could be some willingness to take a call about Julio, I don’t know if they are motivated to move him so it would take more. But swapping 1sts? Pick 40? Hell yes. Im not nearly as concerned about the fact he just turned 30 as most of you. Hes a proven elite talent. How long of a contract does it even need to be? Most of these guys prefer shorter deals as long as they get their guaranteed money. We already know who he is ... drafting a rookie or signing some FA who another team didn’t want to keep is very optimistic that he’d be anywhere near as good as Julio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I’ve said previously the only way the Bills are getting a proven “#1” receiver is via a trade. To me that means you have to inquire about: Brown(they did) Jones OBJ Evans OBJ and Evans would obviously cost more but those teams are rebuilding and a WR is not the cornerstone of your franchise. I mean look what Oakland just pulled off. Swapped Cooper, a 3rd and 5th for Brown and a 1st. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, Wayne Cubed said: I’ve said previously the only way the Bills are getting a proven “#1” receiver is via a trade. To me that means you have to inquire about: Brown(they did) Jones OBJ Evans OBJ and Evans would obviously cost more but those teams are rebuilding and a WR is not the cornerstone of your franchise. I mean look what Oakland just pulled off. Swapped Cooper, a 3rd and 5th for Brown and a 1st. It seems like the Bills certainly believe that they need number 1. They went all in to obtain the best receiver in the game. I don’t think that they take their ball and go home. They will be exploring any and all opportunities to get Allen an elite target. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I would have no problem with the Bills trading for Jones and upping his pay to $17 million a season for the next two years (remaining years on his deal). He led the league in yards last year and has averaged 1600 yards over the last 5 years, with 6+ TD's in 4 of 5 seasons. He has never acted in the media like AB has, and he also has provided plenty of reason why he needs a raise. He would be an awesome teacher for our young receivers and how to go about things the right way. Would I trade a first? No. At 30 years old he has maybe 3 years left. Three years of number 1 receiver numbers isn't worth losing out on a player like Edmunds or Tre White, guys who can lead your team for a decade. Not even sure i'd give a 2nd, which could provide a team a solid starter for 8-10 years. For a 3rd, absolutely. But that's the rub. Not sure Atlanta would take ONLY a 3rd for him. Maybe a 3rd and a player. Unless he made such a stink behind the scenes that Atlanta decided to move him and think young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: It seems like the Bills certainly believe that they need number 1. They went all in to obtain the best receiver in the game. I don’t think that they take their ball and go home. They will be exploring any and all opportunities to get Allen an elite target. Yea definitely. This shows me they know what they need to do. And they were willing to give up the most for Brown, it appears. Sticking point seemed to be the salary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Unlike Brown, I'd do a deal for Julio. As good as if not better player and infinitely better person. Likewise for Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Lmao. Hes the best WR in the NFL. So? That's like putting a 426 hemi in a VW bug. Great for smoking the tires but not very effective, given the underlying chassis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yeah the moral of the story is that the antiquated process of putting all of the guarantees in the front of a superstar's contract doesn't make sense in a league where everyone has tons of cap dollars to spend. Too much financial incentive to break a contract once the guarantees are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That would be ideal. I was just trying to be realistic knowing that while there could be some willingness to take a call about Julio, I don’t know if they are motivated to move him so it would take more. But swapping 1sts? Pick 40? Hell yes. Im not nearly as concerned about the fact he just turned 30 as most of you. Hes a proven elite talent. How long of a contract does it even need to be? Most of these guys prefer shorter deals as long as they get their guaranteed money. We already know who he is ... drafting a rookie or signing some FA who another team didn’t want to keep is very optimistic that he’d be anywhere near as good as Julio. It was more about giving up the 9th pick in the draft as well as the biggest WR contract for a 30 yr old WR. If we are talking a more reasonable trade, then I’d be in - even with a contract like AB’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdafacts Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 37 minutes ago, vorpma said: No kidding, man you are all over it! Not disputing the trade attempt - kind of known by all - but dispute the attempt at integrating insider information cited without sourcing that attempts to make Beane look like a fool because you want something and want it now! No this trade is proof Beane is out of his depth. AB went for a 3rd and a 5th. Beane offered to swap 1st and a 3rd for a player who must be traded. He's only here because he's friends with McDermott. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Wait.. people actually think Julio Jones is a possibility? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know Sanu’s contract offhand but no way in hell they trade Ridley who is on a rookie deal for up to 4 more years. Another one I have been thinking about is Michael Thomas from NO. Probably won’t let him go either but needs a new deal and Cap all tied up by Drew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Yea definitely. This shows me they know what they need to do. And they were willing to give up the most for Brown, it appears. Sticking point seemed to be the salary. The guaranteed money paired with his risk of poor behavior, not needing football, etc. I think they would pay it to Julio. Jmo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Justdafacts said: No this trade is proof Beane is out of his depth. AB went for a 3rd and a 5th. Beane offered to swap 1st and a 3rd for a player who must be traded. He's only here because he's friends with McDermott. Says you and a "few" others! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: That would be great. I’m not sure if that gets it done, though. They don’t have a reason to trade him but they could improve the team overall if they did. They aren’t a contender right now with that roster. 40 plus we swap 1sts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: What? What the ***** are you talking about?? IMO, this team needs to address the O-line and D-line deficiencies before any talk of paying the price needed to land a WR like Jones. That kind of trade would be a repeat of the Sammy Watkins at four fiasco, absent the core line problems being fixed... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I would just take dk at 9 then or butler/harry/isabella/Hollywood in the 2nd whichever one is available in the above order for me and take the best oline at 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Maybe the Chiefs will trade us Kelce for a 4th. The trade world is our oyster. Edited March 10, 2019 by CaptnCoke11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The guaranteed money paired with his risk of poor behavior, not needing football, etc. I think they would pay it to Julio. Jmo Same, and he’s a year younger. Not that that’s massive but it is part of the equation. I don’t think they’d have any problem taking on a contract of OBJ or Evans size either. They know they have Josh on the cheap for 4 more years this is when you can splurge, look at the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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