BillzFreak Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsSB2020 said: Gotcha. I'm not saying the sky is falling. Just stating the obvious about TODAY. Beane has time to maneuver, but I'd like to see some things get done sooner rather than later. Lots of good players remaining who we're not hearing about. I mean the Colts haven't signed anyone either so with the most cap space and having a star qb, is there gm losing today to? 2 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I wonder if juwann James and Frank Gore are close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Certainly doesn’t seem like cap space matters most. Indianapolis- zero deals, Buffalo - Zero deals, Cleveland - zero deals, Jets - one deal. Top 4 cap space teams, one combined deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Certainly doesn’t seem like cap space matters most. Indianapolis- zero deals, Buffalo - Zero deals, Cleveland - zero deals, Jets - one deal. Top 4 cap space teams, one combined deal. Thanks for the dose of reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Gun Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Slow down fella....no way either coach or GM are gone until at minimum the end of next year Slow down, so you think it was 100% necessary to rid the team of talented players and not be able to replace them with at least equally talented players, and that doesn't deserve a hmmmmm, what's going on / what are you doing from the owners? Psssst, I have some waterfront property in Florida to sell ya! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 This thread suffers without @MAJBobby and @YoloinOhio..... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Was hoping for Humphries and James. Hoping for better with D. Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, pop gun said: Slow down, so you think it was 100% necessary to rid the team of talented players and not be able to replace them with at least equally talented players, and that doesn't deserve a hmmmmm, what's going on / what are you doing from the owners? Psssst, I have some waterfront property in Florida to sell ya! Do please tell me what greatly talented players have been gotten rid of and not replaced? Was it Stephon Gilmore who admitted he didn't want to be in buffalo and has been thoroughly replaced by Tre White? Was it Ronald Darby who didn't fit our scheme and has played in less than half the games since he left due to being injury prone? Was it the criminally overpaid Marcell Dareus who recently took a pay cut to stay on a 5 win team? Was it Sammy "the decoy" Watkins who has been on two teams since we got rid of him and has averaged 39.5 catches on prolific offenses? Was it the two best linemen that we had who both retired for reasons beyond the staffs control? Was it our marginally starting QB who got benched last year and is now a Free agent looking for work from the dolphins who just need someone to hold the candle while they tank? Seriously, I agree that they need to add talent, but the only player that has been let go since McBeane took over whom really was worth anything was Robert Woods. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, pop gun said: Slow down, so you think it was 100% necessary to rid the team of talented players and not be able to replace them with at least equally talented players, and that doesn't deserve a hmmmmm, what's going on / what are you doing from the owners? Psssst, I have some waterfront property in Florida to sell ya! You are funny. They released themselves from cap hell and removed players they didn't like. Every new regime does that to some extent. Do you think that plan wasn't discussed by the owners/ McD BEFORE he was hired? Don't be silly. It was a tough pill to swallow for the greater good of the team. The owners were well aware of the plan and were either a) ok with it, or b) encouraged by it. Or McD wouldn't have been hired. Keep in mind, on the front that we couldn't replace talented players with at least equal talent, we ended the playoff drought in year 1 of McD's tenure. He's earned my trust moving forward...even if I don't understand some of his moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: You are funny. They released themselves from cap hell and removed players they didn't like. Every new regime does that to some extent. Do you think that plan wasn't discussed by the owners/ McD BEFORE he was hired? Don't be silly. It was a tough pill to swallow for the greater good of the team. The owners were well aware of the plan and were either a) ok with it, or b) encouraged by it. Or McD wouldn't have been hired. Keep in mind, on the front that we couldn't replace talented players with at least equal talent, we ended the playoff drought in year 1 of McD's tenure. He's earned my trust moving forward...even if I don't understand some of his moves Drink some more koolaid sucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, pop gun said: Drink some more koolaid sucker! Lmao...you are a riot Alice. What I just stated is exactly what happened. You must be drinking that corn kool-aid friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Pats lost some real talent today. They usually do and manage, but it’s not as sustainable as it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XABI64 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 53 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Slow down fella....no way either coach or GM are gone until at minimum the end of next year If we don't show massive improvement this next season I can 100% see this regime getting shown the door Every other team made a massive jump in year 2 after they got their rookie QB. Why would Beane/Mcdermott get a pass? We need to be at least fighting for a playoff spot in December. anything less and that's a massive failure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Success said: Pats lost some real talent today. They usually do and manage, but it’s not as sustainable as it used to be. They've gone to 3 straight Super Bowls, won 2 and barely lost the 3rd. Don't give me the "not sustainable" BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, XABI64 said: If we don't show massive improvement this next season I can 100% see this regime getting shown the door Every other team made a massive jump in year 2 after they got their rookie QB. Why would Beane/Mcdermott get a pass? We need to be at least fighting for a playoff spot in December. anything less and that's a massive failure. This regime will survive the duration of its contract. Hopefully beyond. Don't get me wrong, we Definately need to improve. But it took 2 years just to be in position to rebuild successfully. IMO the clock starts now. We shall see. BTW...who are the "every other teams" that had a "massive" improvement in a QB's sophomore year that you speak of? Edited March 11, 2019 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: They've gone to 3 straight Super Bowls, won 2 and barely lost the 3rd. Don't give me the "not sustainable" BS. This past year felt like a lifetime achievement award or something. The Pats did nothing spectacular or even great. Other teams just didn’t step up. They’re getting by on little more than aura at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 54 minutes ago, BillzFreak said: I mean the Colts haven't signed anyone either so with the most cap space and having a star qb, is there gm losing today to? If we're being honest here, the Colts have far fewer needs than the Bills. It's time to get moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: This regime will survive the duration of its contract. Hopefully beyond. Don't get me wrong, we Definately need to improve. But it took 2 years just to be in position to rebuild successfully. IMO the clock starts now. We shall see Bull If that's the case we are in year 3 of being in year 1 of the rebuild. The last couple of years teams like Philly / Rams have shown how to rebuild. You find a passable to good rookie QB and you spend freely and aggressively to surround him with the maximum amount of talent. Big targets are popping off left and right, if we strike out this year we are sunk through year 2 of Allen's cheap contract. Time is ticking hard, this bull about a brain trust getting 5 years to slowly turn things around is exactly that, bull. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: This regime will survive the duration of its contract. Hopefully beyond. Don't get me wrong, we Definately need to improve. But it took 2 years just to be in position to rebuild successfully. IMO the clock starts now. We shall see. BTW...who are the "every other teams" that had a "massive" improvement in a QB's sophomore year that you speak of? Rams. Bears. Eagles. Was this a serious question? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Bull If that's the case we are in year 3 of being in year 1 of the rebuild. The last couple of years teams like Philly / Rams have shown how to rebuild. You find a passable to good rookie QB and you spend freely and aggressively to surround him with the maximum amount of talent. Big targets are popping off left and right, if we strike out this year we are sunk through year 2 of Allen's cheap contract. Time is ticking hard, this bull about a brain trust getting 5 years to slowly turn things around is exactly that, bull. I wholeheartedly disagree. This regime will survive their current contracts. We will agree to disagree. And this whole notion of winning while on a cheap QB contract window is the very definition of the word "bull" that you are looking for. What a crock of horseshit 3 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: Rams. Bears. Eagles. Was this a serious question? Yes it was serious. 3 teams does not represent "every other team" with a 2nd year QB "massively" improved Edited March 11, 2019 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 How is that the Eagles, with serious cap issues, land Desean Jackson and Malik Jackson? We have $80 million, and blow it on injured, backup, Tight Ends, and 30+ year old RBs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Well so far Beane has doing absolutely nothing exciting this offseason... come on... time for a big move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: I wholeheartedly disagree. This regime will survive their current contracts. We will agree to disagree Yes it was serious. 3 teams does not represent "every other team" with a 2nd year QB "massively" improved Chiefs. I mean, that's 4 in the last 2 years. I like Beane, but this is his time to shine. He has got to start making things happen or your prediction may not come to fruition. Let's get Morse! 1 minute ago, Pete said: How is that the Eagles, with serious cap issues, land Desean Jackson and Malik Jackson? We have $80 million, and blow it on injured, backup, Tight Ends, and 30+ year old RBs Cap space is entirely overrated. The good teams just fidget with contracts to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillsSB2020 said: Chiefs. I mean, that's 4 in the last 2 years. I like Beane, but this is his time to shine. He has got to start making things happen or your prediction may not come to fruition. Let's get Morse! I agree with Morse! But lets be honest. The chiefs didn't massively improve after Mahommes .They were good before he was drafted Edited March 11, 2019 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Pete said: How is that the Eagles, with serious cap issues, land Desean Jackson and Malik Jackson? We have $80 million, and blow it on injured, backup, Tight Ends, and 30+ year old RBs Because DJax was a trade and Malik took a paycut to win making it not about money? It's not even the first day, and regardless of how you feel about our four* "signings" thus far it's not even close to over. We do the same thing with FA every year here, it's like we forget...let it all play out. Regardless of our needs, or the "sexy" signings by others like the Raiders and Jets, FA participation and activeness doesn't correlate to in-season success in any proportionate measure. You can make tons of splashes in the overpay sweepstakes only to end up with a worse record/performance the following season. There's nothing wrong with not overpaying for players that won't be worth it, retaining talent currently on the roster, and having the ability to make big signings in FA when you want to. We're currently on track to have the most cap space in 2020/2021, when most of our big names are coming up for renewal, and we can likely make a bigger signing in the same time frame for potentially better players in an overall better pool. I'm honestly not sure anyone signed today (outside of Malik) is actually going to be worth what they are being paid for... *edited from three, cuz Morse... Edited March 11, 2019 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytownblofan Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Mitch Morse to the Bills! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, ytownblofan said: Mitch Morse to the Bills! Link please! Just now, Clyde Smith said: Link please! Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 45 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Yes it was serious. 3 teams does not represent "every other team" with a 2nd year QB "massively" improved Add the Cheifs and basically yeah. Virtually every team improved provided their Quarterback wasn't a bust as of late. Texans as well. Bears, Eagles, Rams, Texans, Chiefs. I mean I don't disagree with you in that this regime should get it's whole contract I just wanted to jump in cause it's funny you're asking to name any team and it's pretty much every team the 2 Quarterback classes before JA that jumped in their QB's sophomore year. I don't think we're as good as those teams. Hence more time.. I agree. But the Bears i'd argue had about as much to work with and are looking pretty sharp. That's who I'd compare us to. Bears without a Kahlil Mack.. who I thought we'd presumably get a group of 1-3 marquee players to level up on aggregate equal to Bears + Mack with our cap this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2019-nfl-free-agency-tracker PFF has a nice live stream for anyone interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Add the Cheifs and basically yeah. Virtually every team improved provided their Quarterback wasn't a bust as of late. Texans as well. Bears, Eagles, Rams, Texans, Chiefs. I mean I don't disagree with you in that this regime should get it's whole contract I just wanted to jump in cause it's funny you're asking to name any team and it's pretty much every team the 2 Quarterback classes before JA that jumped in their QB's sophomore year. I don't think we're as good as those teams. Hence more time.. I agree. But the Bears i'd argue had about as much to work with and are looking pretty sharp. That's who I'd compare us to. Bears without a Kahlil Mack.. who I thought we'd presumably get a group of 1-3 marquee players to level up on aggregate equal to Bears + Mack with our cap this year. The chiefs were good before Mahomes. Texans had an amazing D before Watson, but I agree that we need to be better. The Bears might be a good comparison for us at this stage. I do think Josh will take a jump this year, but even if he fails miserably, Pegs will allow this regime the full contract to turn things around. I mean, were any other teams as bad off cap wise as we were? It was a major dump of players/cash. If Allen is not the answer, then yes, this regime is tied to him and probably will be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, BuffAlone said: The chiefs were good before Mahomes. Texans had an amazing D before Watson, but I agree that we need to be better. The Bears might be a good comparison for us at this stage. I do think Josh will take a jump this year, but even if he fails miserably, Pegs will allow this regime the full contract to turn things around. I mean, were any other teams as bad off cap wise as we were? It was a major dump of players/cash. If Allen is not the answer, then yes, this regime is tied to him and probably will be gone I don't know how the Bears were but that's probably the best comp. They might not have been in cap hell but they looked like they had similar talent to work with as us coming into last year. Only difference is we won't have Kahlil Mack fall into our lap.. so we got to make a splash and get someone like him! Ahem - HOUSTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I don't know how the Bears were but that's probably the best comp. They might not have been in cap hell but they looked like they had similar talent to work with as us coming into last year. Only difference is we won't have Kahlil Mack fall into our lap.. so we got to make a splash and get someone like him! Ahem - HOUSTON Or the kid FROM Houston...Ed Oliver? (Yes I know he's a DT, but he's a difference maker) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Here is what spotrac had to say about Daryl Williams in the FA tracker. Hope it happens. The advanced metrics aren't too kind to Williams, but he's arguably the best available Right Tackle on the market. Because the Bills need one, and appear to be OK signing every Panthers' cast-off, this seems like a done deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Here is what spotrac had to say about Daryl Williams in the FA tracker. Hope it happens. The advanced metrics aren't too kind to Williams, but he's arguably the best available Right Tackle on the market. Because the Bills need one, and appear to be OK signing every Panthers' cast-off, this seems like a done deal. I actually like Ja'Wuan James. But it's looking like Denver and Minny likes him a lot too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Or the kid FROM Houston...Ed Oliver? (Yes I know he's a DT, but he's a difference maker) Or both. Gotta spend that cap ? gotta spend that cap ? BEANE SPEND SOME DARN CAP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 53 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: The chiefs were good before Mahomes. Texans had an amazing D before Watson, but I agree that we need to be better. The Bears might be a good comparison for us at this stage. I do think Josh will take a jump this year, but even if he fails miserably, Pegs will allow this regime the full contract to turn things around. I mean, were any other teams as bad off cap wise as we were? Yes. Many teams are in cap trouble every single year. They could have kept everyone except for Gilmore. It was their decision to gut the roster. Now is the time for them to step up to the table, get their guys, and start winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Pats LT to Raiders http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26229294/lt-brown-leave-pats-raiders that guy is seriously huge. I’d love to think that weakens their Oline. Edited March 12, 2019 by Gray Beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: Pats LT to Raiders http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26229294/lt-brown-leave-pats-raiders that guy is seriously huge. I’d love to think that weakens their Oline. As long as Brady is back there, any 5 guys will look fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Common Daryl Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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