Antonio Brown trade may be happening today, announcing team soon: UPDATE: TRADED to Raiders

[Chuck Wagon]

Peat is not good.  That seems like the Steelers paid through the nose to just get Brown off the roster.

[bigfootindy]

Not sure on the math of the trade, that seems like a lot...

Edited March 9, 2019 by bigfootindy
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[JaCrispy]

If the compensation is true, it’s no wonder Beane was interested...if it meant the bills were getting additional picks as well ?

Edited March 9, 2019 by JaCrispy

[Logic]

10 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Looks like AB could be a New Orleans Saint.  Apparently not completely finalized.

 

 

 

 

So the Steelers give up a top 5 WR and a 1st round pick for....an average offensive lineman and a bunch of late round crap? 

Color me skeptical.

That looks more like a fantasy trade idea from the Saints message board.

[Playoffs?]

Brown AND their 1st round pick?? 

[PetermansRedemption]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

So the Steelers give up a top 5 WR and a 1st round pick for....an average offensive lineman and a bunch of late round crap? 

Color me skeptical.

That looks more like a fantasy trade idea from the Saints message board.

As Antonio Brown would say “fake news”. Steelers would just cut him if that was the return for what they give up. 

[Chuck Wagon]

That's bogus, some saints fan twitter.

[JXCOL3]

Do the saints even have the cap room for this fool

[Saint Doug]

3 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Brown AND their 1st round pick?? 

Yes, I heard the Steelers tried to insist on also giving away their 2020 1st rounder, but the Saints declined. 

[Happy]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

So the Steelers give up a top 5 WR and a 1st round pick for....an average offensive lineman and a bunch of late round crap? 

Color me skeptical.

That looks more like a fantasy trade idea from the Saints message board.

 

3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

That's bogus, some saints fan twitter.

 

We'll see.  There is also this:

 

 

 

[whatdrought]

That's obviously fake news. He has the same trade scenario pinned on his feed from a week ago. 

[whatdrought]

34 minutes ago, Logic said:

Very interesting. 

There certainly does seem to be a formula for winning that is not just as simple as "Get a coach, get a QB". I USED to think that was all that was needed, but the careers of QBs from Dan Fouts, to Dan Marino, to Philip Rivers, to Andrew Luck so far, even to how few rings Peyton Manning won...It's NOT just coach and QB.

Get a QB, protect him. Get to the opposition's QB and affect him. That's still the gist. HOW that all is done seems to be fungible. 

The biggest changes I see are interior pass rushers becoming as important as edge rushers, and consequently centers and guards becoming more important than they used to be. Additionally, right tackle has become a more premium position, as more and more top line edge rushers line up on the left.

Football's strategic evolution is so ***** interesting.

 

I think the change in pass rushers is really interesting cause I wonder if it will swing back the other way. 5 years ago it was all about the edge and about getting a LT that can block the edge. Well, that caused people to look for inside rushers and now the counter is the revaluing of Guards (imagine a guard going top 10 5-10 years ago). It's literally trench warfare. They make strides on the inside, you defend the inside. They go to the outside, you go back to the outside. 

 

I agree about it being interesting. It's crazy to see how these trends go. 

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

That's obviously fake news. He has the same trade scenario pinned on his feed from a week ago. 

 

The March 2 tweet was a theory.  Look at the trade details between that tweet (March 2) and the tweet from today; there is an obvious difference. 

[Logic]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

I think the change in pass rushers is really interesting cause I wonder if it will swing back the other way. 5 years ago it was all about the edge and about getting a LT that can block the edge. Well, that caused people to look for inside rushers and now the counter is the revaluing of Guards (imagine a guard going top 10 5-10 years ago). It's literally trench warfare. They make strides on the inside, you defend the inside. They go to the outside, you go back to the outside. 

 

I agree about it being interesting. It's crazy to see how these trends go. 

Absolutely.

There are some really great books about the evolution of football:

The Genius of Desperation by Doug Farrar and Louis Riddick
The Games That Changed The Game by David Plaut, Greg Cosell, and Ron Jaworski

And speaking of strategic moves and counter-moves: I'm looking forward to power run offenses and bruising running backs coming back into vogue a little bit in the coming years to counter the ever smaller, ever faster defensive players that teams are rolling out these days.

[whatdrought]

Just now, Happy Gilmore said:

 

The March 2 tweet was a theory.  Look at the trade details between that tweet (March 2) and the tweet from today; there is an obvious difference. 

 

March 2:

 

 

 

 

 

Today: 

 

 

It's different, but if you believe that this random guy predicted it that closely, and then was the first to break the real deal, I have some real estate I would love to discuss selling to you. 

 

 

 

[BillsSB2020]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I think the change in pass rushers is really interesting cause I wonder if it will swing back the other way. 5 years ago it was all about the edge and about getting a LT that can block the edge. Well, that caused people to look for inside rushers and now the counter is the revaluing of Guards (imagine a guard going top 10 5-10 years ago). It's literally trench warfare. They make strides on the inside, you defend the inside. They go to the outside, you go back to the outside. 

 

I agree about it being interesting. It's crazy to see how these trends go. 

It's just so much more difficult to find interior pass rushers, which makes Aaron Donald so valuable. He's really in a league of his own.

[whatdrought]

Just now, Logic said:

Absolutely.

There are some really great books about the evolution of football:

The Genius of Desperation by Doug Farrar and Louis Riddick
The Games That Changed The Game by David Plaut, Greg Cosell, and Ron Jaworski

And speaking of strategic moves and counter-moves: I'm looking forward to power run offenses and bruising running backs coming back into vogue a little bit in the coming years to counter the ever smaller, ever faster defensive players that teams are rolling out these days.

 

Oh yeah! That's gonna be awesome. Guys like Dion Jones trying to taking a Mike Alstott. 

1 minute ago, BillsSB2020 said:

It's just so much more difficult to find interior pass rushers, which makes Aaron Donald so valuable. He's really in a league of his own.

 

Meh, it is and it isn't. 

 

Really the reason that this evolution happens is the way the farm system (college) affects the NFL. It's even crazy looking all the way back to Pewee and little tykes... People complain about a lack of black QB's, but the young teams that I've helped coach have always had white QB's cause the black kids are typically much better athletes and are wasted at QB when the QB does nothing. That trend goes all the way through College. It's such a waterfall thing. 

[BillsFan4]

No way that Saints trade is real. I’m not saying he doesn’t go to the saints, but not for that. 

 

All the reports say the Steelers are holding firm in wanting a 1st.

Reports also say the raiders offered a 2nd and 4th. 

 

Now suddenly they are going to trade Brown AND their own 1st?

No way. 

 

 

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

It's different, but if you believe that this random guy predicted it that closely, and then was the first to break the real deal, I have some real estate I would love to discuss selling to you. 

 

HaHa.  How much?

 

Not sure exactly how he knows this other than he mentions he knows someone in the Saints organization.  We'll see probably this weekend.  Haven't seen anything from Glazer or Rappaport, who kind of got burnt last night.

[whatdrought]

Just now, Happy Gilmore said:

 

HaHa.  How much?

 

Not sure exactly how he knows this other than he mentions he knows someone in the Saints organization.  We'll see probably this weekend.  Haven't seen anything from Glazer or Rappaport, who kind of got burnt last night.

 

conditional pick in 2021. lol

 

I would be 100% shocked if this turned out to be real. In fact, if this turned out to be real I would sooner believe that it's the worlds biggest coincidence rather than that this guy got it right. 

 

The main guys probably will be real intentional to make sure all the T's are crossed and the I's are dotted before making any reports after last night. Jerks. I'm still salty. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, LVGrown said:

I interviewed for a new job the other day and half way through realized how much I speak with my hands. Now it is something I am completely aware of and holy hell is it a tough habit to break. 

 

Now you have me wondering if Schein is wearing glasses, or protective goggles???

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Yep, I agree.

I think the Bills figure they likely have three of the four secure. QB, CB, and LT. They just need their edge rusher. Murphy's just a complimentary piece and Hughes is closer to the end of his career than the beginning. This explains the current rumors about the Bills having serious interest in Frank Clark.

I will not be surprised in the least bit if the Bills draft an edge rusher at #9 or trade for a recently franchised guy.

Jerry Hughes at the end of his career is more of a cornerstone DE than Dion Dawkins is at LT. Just because the dude was a 2nd rd pick doesn’t mean he’s our guy.  One decent year.  One bad year.  Zay was a 2nd rd pick and had one bad year and one decent year, why isn’t he a long term.

 

just saying, good chance that Dawkins isn’t our LT of the future unless he makes big strides

[BillsfanAZ]

I dont care that Buffalo couldnt pull off the trade but for what he did to  Pitt and the way he is carrying on about a new team, I kind of hope he breaks his leg in training camp. 

[oldmanfan]

Most likely scenario is Brown stays in Pittsburgh.

[BillsFan17]

6 hours ago, BillsfanAZ said:

I dont care that Buffalo couldnt pull off the trade but for what he did to  Pitt and the way he is carrying on about a new team, I kind of hope he breaks his leg in training camp. 

So because you dont agree/like someone you wish physical harm on them... makes sense.

[Kmart128]

7 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

So because you dont agree/like someone you wish physical harm on them... makes sense.

I mean if it brings down his ego. Maybe harm is best for someone like Brown. He has let success go to his head which I wouldn't expect from someone like him. I mean he was drafted in the 6th round and went to Central Michigan for crying out loud. I figured someone with that background would stay humble and realize that he got to where he is due to hard work and determination. Instead he turned into a freaking prima Donna. Maybe something needs to happen in his life to bring him back down to earth and make him realize he isn't bigger then any NFL team. Yes physical harm is a bit extreme but hey it could be best for him as a person.

[The Senator]

12 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

I mean if it brings down his ego. Maybe harm is best for someone like Brown. He has let success go to his head which I wouldn't expect from someone like him. I mean he was drafted in the 6th round and went to Central Michigan for crying out loud. I figured someone with that background would stay humble and realize that he got to where he is due to hard work and determination. Instead he turned into a freaking prima Donna. Maybe something needs to happen in his life to bring him back down to earth and make him realize he isn't bigger then any NFL team. Yes physical harm is a bit extreme but hey it could be best for him as a person.

 

Gotta agree with BillsFan17 - I don’t wish physical harm or injury on Brown.

 

But I do hope the a-hole goes broke in Vegas!

.

[Chuck Wagon]

11 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

The March 2 tweet was a theory.  Look at the trade details between that tweet (March 2) and the tweet from today; there is an obvious difference. 

 

 

It's an absolute garbage deal for the Steelers and obviously biased in the Saints favor, from an obvious Saints fan twitter account.  Give me a break.

[Shaw66]

12 hours ago, Logic said:

Very interesting. 

There certainly does seem to be a formula for winning that is not just as simple as "Get a coach, get a QB". I USED to think that was all that was needed, but the careers of QBs from Dan Fouts, to Dan Marino, to Philip Rivers, to Andrew Luck so far, even to how few rings Peyton Manning won...It's NOT just coach and QB.

Get a QB, protect him. Get to the opposition's QB and affect him. That's still the gist. HOW that all is done seems to be fungible. 

The biggest changes I see are interior pass rushers becoming as important as edge rushers, and consequently centers and guards becoming more important than they used to be. Additionally, right tackle has become a more premium position, as more and more top line edge rushers line up on the left.

Football's strategic evolution is so ***** interesting.

You guys are having an interesting discussion, but I don't buy it.  

 

It's coach and QB.  That doesn't mean that's all you need, but those are the only two things you MUST have.  The rest is coaching and creativity.  Look at Belichick and Gronk.  Belichick figured out he could attack with a tight end if he had the right one. But you don't need a great tight end to win.  If you have a good one he dictates some of your [offense, but you don't need one. 

 

Yes, there are trends, but all the good coaches, pretty much all the coaches, follow the trends.  That doesn't make them winners.  

 

I agree you need some basic level of talent, but beyond LT the talent can be spread around the lineup in any number of ways.  McBeane obviously wanted talent at MLB, and that isn't a position you guys named. A good center helps.  Shutdown corner, sure, but not essential.  Get a Palomalu, you can do some special things.  

 

Again, look at Belichick.  Shutdown corner is about the only position he seems to covet; everything else he just wants good ordinary football players who do their jobs.  

 

Give me a coach and a QB.  So long as the coach has decent talent spread around the roster, he should be able to figure out how to win.  If he cant, he isnt the right coach. 

[Golden Goat]

I'm cool that the AB thing fell through. But if we sign Funchess, I'm going to throw up in my mouth. A lot.

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You guys are having an interesting discussion, but I don't buy it.  

 

It's coach and QB.  That doesn't mean that's all you need, but those are the only two things you MUST have.  The rest is coaching and creativity.  Look at Belichick and Gronk.  Belichick figured out he could attack with a tight end if he had the right one. But you don't need a great tight end to win.  If you have a good one he dictates some of your [offense, but you don't need one. 

 

Yes, there are trends, but all the good coaches, pretty much all the coaches, follow the trends.  That doesn't make them winners.  

 

I agree you need some basic level of talent, but beyond LT the talent can be spread around the lineup in any number of ways.  McBeane obviously wanted talent at MLB, and that isn't a position you guys named. A good center helps.  Shutdown corner, sure, but not essential.  Get a Palomalu, you can do some special things.  

 

Again, look at Belichick.  Shutdown corner is about the only position he seems to covet; everything else he just wants good ordinary football players who do their jobs.  

 

Give me a coach and a QB.  So long as the coach has decent talent spread around the roster, he should be able to figure out how to win.  If he cant, he isnt the right coach. 

 

Everybody says this; look at Belichick.  He does this, he does that, he can fart and land on the moon, etc.  Here's the problem, the majority, if not all, of the rest of the coaches in the NFL are not as smart as Belichick.  Pederson and Peyton may be the exceptions.  The reason why NE won the SB is because Belichick is smarter and more experienced than McVay.

 

Unfortunately, this includes McD.  I don't think McD is anywhere near the coach that Belichick is, and I'm not completely confident that he'll get there, either.  I think McD can be a decent to good coach, but I think that he is a bit too conservative and lacks the "finish them off" mentality to be on a Belichick level.

 

Having said this, I believe that the only way to beat Belichick is to have a number of stars in multiple positions.  Belichick may not need this, but pretty much every other coach does.  I don't see how you beat him consistently without it; McDermott included.  I understand your initial post, and this was just my opinion. 

[nucci]

9 hours ago, BillsfanAZ said:

I dont care that Buffalo couldnt pull off the trade but for what he did to  Pitt and the way he is carrying on about a new team, I kind of hope he breaks his leg in training camp. 

Why,  these comments about wanting players hurt because they don't love Buffalo the way you do are ridiculous.

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

Oh yeah! That's gonna be awesome. Guys like Dion Jones trying to taking a Mike Alstott. 

 

Meh, it is and it isn't. 

 

Really the reason that this evolution happens is the way the farm system (college) affects the NFL. It's even crazy looking all the way back to Pewee and little tykes... People complain about a lack of black QB's, but the young teams that I've helped coach have always had white QB's cause the black kids are typically much better athletes and are wasted at QB when the QB does nothing. That trend goes all the way through College. It's such a waterfall thing. 

Super interesting but yeah have definitely seen that now that its brought to my attention

[PetermansRedemption]

10 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

I'm cool that the AB thing fell through. But if we sign Funchess, I'm going to throw up in my mouth. A lot.

Free agent WR crop is trash and they need a veteran in the room. Funchess would be a good one to have. It isn’t like they are bringing him in to be WR1. 

[SWATeam]

15 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

He doesn’t care about team success.  He is working on his brand and his benjamins.  He’ll figure he can thrive under the Vegas spotlight with no state income tax to boot.

One things for sure, he's doing a masterful job marketing himself.  He owns the news right now.

 

A lot of people think he's nuts, but he might just be crazy brilliant.

[Punching Bag]

16 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

could be AB folding to the best deal. Still unlikely.

 

Hard to believe this fella is still 3 years under contract huh? he's calling the shots

 

This is one of the reasons why guaranteed contracts make no sense in NFL.

7 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Everybody says this; look at Belichick.  He does this, he does that, he can fart and land on the moon, etc.  Here's the problem, the majority, if not all, of the rest of the coaches in the NFL are not as smart as Belichick.  Pederson and Peyton may be the exceptions.  The reason why NE won the SB is because Belichick is smarter and more experienced than McVay.

 

Unfortunately, this includes McD.  I don't think McD is anywhere near the coach that Belichick is, and I'm not completely confident that he'll get there, either.  I think McD can be a decent to good coach, but I think that he is a bit too conservative and lacks the "finish them off" mentality to be on a Belichick level.

 

Having said this, I believe that the only way to beat Belichick is to have a number of stars in multiple positions.  Belichick may not need this, but pretty much every other coach does.  I don't see how you beat him consistently without it; McDermott included.  I understand your initial post, and this was just my opinion. 

 

It sounds like you would be happier to be a P*ts fan.

[Golden Goat]

3 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

Free agent WR crop is trash and they need a veteran in the room. Funchess would be a good one to have. It isn’t like they are bringing him in to be WR1. 

 

Source?

[PetermansRedemption]

1 minute ago, Golden Goat said:

 

Source?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FuncDe00.htm

 

I think Beane and McDermott have access to this advanced resource as well. 

[Golden Goat]

2 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FuncDe00.htm

 

I think Beane and McDermott have access to this advanced resource as well. 

 

Source on where you can guarantee that Funchess isn't being brought in as the #1. That's why I bolded it, you see.

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, NewEra said:

Jerry Hughes at the end of his career is more of a cornerstone DE than Dion Dawkins is at LT. Just because the dude was a 2nd rd pick doesn’t mean he’s our guy.  One decent year.  One bad year.  Zay was a 2nd rd pick and had one bad year and one decent year, why isn’t he a long term.

 

just saying, good chance that Dawkins isn’t our LT of the future unless he makes big strides

 

He was good enough for Bills to trade often injured Glenn who was very good to healthy.  

It is real interesting if he ends up cut.