David Culley (former Bills QB coach) gone- to Ravens

[T master]

Seeing as his history in coaching has mainly been as a WR coach & the fact that the Bills QB's haven't been all that productive in his time here McD probably wanted him to go back to being the WR coach with Robisky being fired .

 

I think Josh & the Bills will be better of with a new QB coach ! 

 

I remember a recent post saying something about Anderson being the QB coach as to open p a roster spot, now would be the perfect time for that to happen if they have that much faith in Anderson & how long it took him to get out of concussion protocol after the hit that really didn't look that bad !!

 

They could use the spot for another player & Anderson will more than likely be the #3 QB any way with Barkley resigned so why not ??

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Really easy if Culley doesn't see much in Allen, yes.  This just looks like a lateral positions coach hire, worded a bit creatively.

 

It's a stretch, to say the least, to think this move somehow positions Culley as HC candidate in the near term.

 

 

 

Oh I don't think anyone will hire him as a HC.

 

He's much too ***** old at this point.

 

But at that 63 years old..........a "virtual OC" gig with the AHC title for a better team.......and one that the entire league will be watching closely to see how they utilize Lamar Jackson........is a BIG step up in profile from being a QB coach in Buffalo.

 

If the Buffalo offense does well teams aren't going to bypass Brian Daboll to interview Culley..........they are going to go with the guy who was designing the offense and calling the plays.

 

If Culley were like 40 years old...... I *suppose* one could make the argument that it's wiser to follow Josh Allen for 2-3 years............but he ain't.

 

And it's not like Lamar Jackson sucks.........he's a promising young QB.........some might think on par or even better than Allen.

 

Culley needs to knock socks off to get a HC gig so this is probably the best "go big" shot he could get.

 

And we literally saw Anthony Lynn basically go this route..........with Tyrod Taylor at QB and Roman's playbook........and it worked........so there it is.

 

 

[Doc]

No loss.

[jlgarsh]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

This keeps being said over and over.  I'm not disagreeing but I do have to question it.

During Palmers NFL career (7 seasons) he made a total of 2.2 million.

 

I know he takes on a few college QBs and has a few NFL QBs he is coaching (ala Allen).

My question would be how much do people think he makes doing this?

 

I guess I'm saying if private coaching is so lucrative, why doesn't the best QB coaches in the NFL do it?

 

I guess we all will find out soon.

The Palmer family is loaded. Read that when Carson was still at USC.

[BillyWhiteShows]

3 hours ago, One Buffalo said:

 

 

Call me skeptical but the timing of this seems a little coincidental. It makes me wonder if the Bills were considering adding 

another QB coach and he saw the writing on wall.  Then again it is a promotion, so who knows?

2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

He came here to start rising the ranks and getting to a spot to be a head coach. 

 

If you're (not literally you) only comment about him was "but he has never been a QB coach" you really don't know a thing about how these coaching staffs work.  This a huge, underrated loss for us. 

 

It is really a huge loss though?  I feel like that’s quite the exaggeration. Based on what we saw from Allen this year, I think its safe to say that Cullen did a pretty good job.

 

But then again, we saw the most improvement from Allen after he was injured and got to work with Barkley and Anderson.

 

Is Culley a loss?  Maybe, but I don’t think it’s as big as you make it out to be.

Edited January 29, 2019 by BillyWhiteShows

[YoloinOhio]

21 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Culley wants to be a HC.  He ain't getting that shot in Buffalo, where McD has shown enough in two seasons that he is likely to be there at least a few more, and he ain't being promoted to OC.

 

I really don't know what Culley did here.  I never saw video of him working with Allen, and I never heard Allen specifically mention him when he was talking about learning how to be an NFL QB.  He mentioned Daboll and Anderson all the time.

 

I think Culley is just another old dude who has been around the league for a hundred years and is trying to find his best chance at landing a HC gig.  The Baltimore position gives him a higher profile.

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Yolo, this post turned me on to Culley.  It is the reason I started doing the research on him.  He is a good coach and a good offensive mind.  I really don't know what he did for us in the QB room, no one does, but I tend to believe that a guy with that kind of talent was important to this offense. 

[eball]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Umm....oops? 

 

[Buffalo716]

The Bills couldn’t block it because it wasn’t a lateral move.. it was a promotion... it wouldnt be kosher to block it... he’s a great coach and I hope he becomes an OC one day soon

 

He was definitely good for Josh...

 

we need a good young hire here... sorry for all the Palmer fans but it definitely will not be him... being a private QB coach (guru) is a very good football job to have and he doesn’t have the pressure 

 

he can pick and chose who he wants to work with.

 

i really don’t see it happening but I would really like Brandon Streeter from Clemson... he is young and has worked with a some good young QBs in Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence 

 

He definitely will be rising the ranks sooner than later

 

 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Buffalo716

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The Bills couldn’t block it because it wasn’t a lateral move.. it was a promotion... he’s a great coach and I hope he becomes an OC one day soon

 

He was definitely good for Josh...

 

we need a good young hire here... sorry for all the Palmer fans but it definitely will not be him... being a private QB coach (guru) is a very good football job to have and he doesn’t have the pressure 

 

he can pick and chose who he wants to work with.

 

i really don’t see it happening but I would really like Brandon Streeter from Clemson... he is young and has worked with a some good young QBs in Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence 

 

He definitely will be rising the ranks sooner than later

 

 

It’s a promotion, but actually considered a lateral move by the league. All assistants are the same level regardless of role and can be blocked if under contract. Only interview that can’t be blocked is HC

Edited January 29, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[BillsFan4]

Who they hire to replace Culley will be key. They need to get this hire right. 

 

Im hoping they get someone experienced in working with QBs. 

I dont care if McDermott goes with another young, hungry coach as long as he at least has some type of background as a QB or working with QBs.

 

I just don’t really want to see this treated as an entry level job, where they bring in someone with no real experience. Allen’s development is too important. I’d rather they wait than bring in someone just to fill the spot.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s actually considered a lateral move. All assistants are the same. Only interview that can’t blocked is HC

NFL teams can block other teams from snatching assistants. Lateral moves are blocked all the time 

 

its considered bad protocol to block a promotion

 

becoming assistant HC is a promotion. The Bills could’ve blocked it but it be a **** move

 

so when I said they couldn’t... they could but it’s not kosher

Edited January 29, 2019 by Buffalo716

[ROCBillsBeliever]

2 hours ago, PIZ said:

Does Sean McVay have anyone left on his staff that the Bills could promote to QB coach?

 

I heard they found a mosquito that once bit McVay. From what I hear, he's good at getting in a QB's ear. 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s a promotion, but actually considered a lateral move by the league. All assistants are the same level regardless of role and can be blocked if under contract. Only interview that can’t be blocked is HC

Yea I didn’t explain my OP perfectly... you can block it but it not professional to block the promotion To Assistant HC

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, CNYfan said:

I think they have to give him the "Assistant" status.  Otherwise it would be a lateral move the Bills could block?

 

I could be wrong, but I think the NFL regards anything below HC as a 'lateral move'.

On the other hand, if you got a guy who wants to move up and become a HC and he gets the "assistant HC" title, there's not much point in blocking him - bad for morale.

Edit: I think that might be what @Buffalo716 means - no point in being a jerk to your people if one of them thinks he's been offered a step

[JimBob2232]

Well...JP Losman is available

 

[ducks]

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yea I didn’t explain my OP perfectly... you can block it but it not professional to block the promotion To Assistant HC

Yes there are two things at play: Culley was offered a promotion. He’s basically a co-OC and AHC. He was only QB coach here. If they wanted to block him, which they  wouldn’t for reasons you stated, they technically could have because it’s a position other than HC. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I don't remember him sitting next to Josh on the bench as much down the stretch. I noticed Culley early in the season in the first place because he seemed to be chewing gum like a mad man but not talking to Josh. I thought that might be indicative of an issue.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

I'll admit I don't know, but my gut feeling is that a solid veteran QB on the roster is more useful to Allen than a QB coach, particularly during games and then in film review afterwards.  If there's a coach who solely focuses on QB mechanics that's a different story -- but I think that's what Josh is doing during the offseason.

Aaron freaking Rodgers got upset when they let their qb coach go without telling him.  It’s huge man.  Allen needs as many resources as possible.

[Buffalo716]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I could be wrong, but I think the NFL regards anything below HC as a 'lateral move'.

On the other hand, if you got a guy who wants to move up and become a HC and he gets the "assistant HC" title, there's not much point in blocking him - bad for morale.

Edit: I think that might be what @Buffalo716 means - no point in being a jerk to your people if one of them thinks he's been offered a step

That was my point that I couldn’t articulate well... yes it was a blockable move... but Culley has been on record as wanting to be a HC one day soon 

 

It would be a bad look on the Bills to not let him pursue his dream and being Assistant HC is a right step 

 

Assistants around the league look at teams as places that hold them back or propel them forward. This is a class move that not all teams do

 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The Bills couldn’t block it because it wasn’t a lateral move.. it was a promotion... it wouldnt be kosher to block it... he’s a great coach and I hope he becomes an OC one day soon

 

He was definitely good for Josh...

 

we need a good young hire here... sorry for all the Palmer fans but it definitely will not be him... being a private QB coach (guru) is a very good football job to have and he doesn’t have the pressure 

 

he can pick and chose who he wants to work with.

 

i really don’t see it happening but I would really like Brandon Streeter from Clemson... he is young and has worked with a some good young QBs in Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence 

 

He definitely will be rising the ranks sooner than later

 

 

I like this type of thinking.  A guy with proven success.  And it is definitely a guy who would take the job.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I like this type of thinking.  A guy with proven success.  And it is definitely a guy who would take the job.

 

I would love him on the staff but I’m not so sure he wants to leave Clemson yet... he has a nice job coaching Lawrence and said he’s not ready to leave yet

 

but coaching Allen is also a big positive 

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I would love him on the staff but I’m not so sure he wants to leave Clemson yet... he has a nice job coaching Lawrence and said he’s not ready to leave yet

 

but coaching Allen is also a big positive 

Yeah, another good point.  He can ride Lawrence to a big time job.

 

im a hater I guess but I would stick with Lawrence over Allen at this point.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, another good point.  He can ride Lawrence to a big time job.

 

im a hater I guess but I would stick with Lawrence over Allen at this point.

A college Lawrence vs Allen in the AFC east...

 

its easy to see where the easiest road to promotion is

[MrEpsYtown]

8 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

The two favorites:

 

Ken Dorsey

Connections to McDermott/Beane

Young 

Former QB 

App State assistant so it won't be too hard to pry him away

 

Jim Bob Cooter

Was Offensive Quality Control under Daboll in 2012 with the Chiefs

Young

Former QB

Experienced

 

Both make a ton of sense. I threw Rob Chudzinski's name out there in the Palmer thread as a guy with McDermott connections who was good for Cam Newton. I really like the idea of Dorsey. I think he'd be a great fit with Josh Allen. 

[LSHMEAB]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

A college Lawrence vs Allen in the AFC east...

 

its easy to see where the easiest road to promotion is

Not so sure about that. I think Allen is still viewed as raw and Lawrence is considered a lock to be the top pick in the draft. How much is anyone really going to attribute that to Streeter? If he comes in and Allen has a great season, he's on the fast track. If you believe in Allen, you strongly consider the move. 

[vincec]

9 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

they had to give him that Assistant HC title I imagine so it would be seen as a promotion, otherwise they couldnt have interviewed him or would have to ask permission

I thought that they still had to get permission to interview any assistant that is currently under contract unless it's for a HC position. In fact, I think that they even have to ask for that but the other team can't reasonably withhold permission if it's for HC.

Edited January 30, 2019 by vincec

[formerlyofCtown]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hope so.  It’s so important for Allen.  Admittedly, I’m hesitate on Allen because of the way this franchise has handled young QBs in the past.  They gave EJ the Cuse first time OC as both his OC and QB coach his rookie year.  

 

Allen needs good coaching around him.  I think they screwed up last year when they kept only Peterman.  I’m also not sold on Daboll and think we could easily upgrade that.  But the QB coach should be a huge priority for such a raw guy.

Agree with a lot but I think youre wrong on Daboll.  The Pats had him tabbed as McDaniels replacement.  He also demonstrated the ability to adapt both at Bama and last season in Buf.  As we know all to well a lot of coordinators cant do that.

Edited January 30, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Not so sure about that. I think Allen is still viewed as raw and Lawrence is considered a lock to be the top pick in the draft. How much is anyone really going to attribute that to Streeter? If he comes in and Allen has a great season, he's on the fast track. If you believe in Allen, you strongly consider the move. 

There is not much downside in either... developing Allen would be a positive for any coach

 

but Lawrence wasn’t a top choice lock coming into his true Freshmen season... even if he was the best recruit in the country his college career could not have panned out... it happens... I didn’t think that would happen but it does....

 

 Instead Streeter was his primary recruiter and locked at his hip all year and now Lawrence is the top choice lock and Streeter is looking like a future HC

 

he definitively deserves credit for keeping Lawrence so calm and collected all year and he also helped Deshaun Watson

 

whatever he does his track record is very good rn

Edited January 30, 2019 by Buffalo716

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There is not much downside in either... developing Allen would be a positive for any coach

 

but Lawrence wasn’t a top choice lock coming into his true Freshmen season... even if he was the best recruit in the country his college career could not have panned out... it happens... I didn’t think that would happen but it does....

 

 Instead Streeter was his primary recruiter and locked at his hip all year and now Lawrence is the top choice lock and Streeter is looking like a future HC

 

he definitively deserves credit for keeping Lawrence so calm and collected all year and he also helped Deshaun Watson

 

whatever he does his track record is very good rn

I don't disagree. I guess what I'm saying career wise is that it would be a higher risk/higher reward thing taking the Buffalo job. He may very well prefer college for all I know.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

I don't disagree. I guess what I'm saying career wise is that it would be a higher risk/higher reward thing taking the Buffalo job. He may very well prefer college for all I know.

He has said he doesn’t want to leave Clemson rn...

 

i said he was my pipedream candidate I would love... i unfortunately don’t see it happening

 

but developing Allen would be great for any QB coaches career

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

As far as I know, that isn't how it works. HC is promotion. Everything else is lateral.

 

This kind of makes me think this was an agreed upon thing by the Bills!

 

Or Culley read the tea leaves and figure Palmer is the guy Allen is getting his direction from not him.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

This kind of makes me think this was an agreed upon thing by the Bills!

 

Or Culley read the tea leaves and figure Palmer is the guy Allen is getting his direction from not him.

 Nah - once again it is a promotion - in terms of dollars and responsibility. Just because the league considers it “lateral” in terms of what the current team is able to block, doesn’t it make it any less of an opportunity for growth for Culley 

Edited January 30, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I would love him on the staff but I’m not so sure he wants to leave Clemson yet... he has a nice job coaching Lawrence and said he’s not ready to leave yet

 

but coaching Allen is also a big positive 

 

Started reading the thread at this point, saw Clemson coach who worked with Lawrence, thought you were suggesting bringing in JP!

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Started reading the thread at this point, saw Clemson coach who worked with Lawrence, thought you were suggesting bringing in JP!

He could definitely help josh Allen with his haircut game 

 

i hear thats why he’s on staff at Clemson... Lawrence loves his conditioner 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 Nah - once again it is a promotion - in terms of dollars and responsibility. Just because the league considers it “lateral” in terms of what the current team is able to block, doesn’t it make it any less of an opportunity for growth for Culley 

 

I get it, but my point is the Bills could have blocked it or offered Culley a similar position here if they wanted.  Makes me wonder if they were more on board with it and encouraged it.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I get it, but my point is the Bills could have blocked it or offered Culley a similar position here if they wanted.  Makes me wonder if they were more on board with it and encouraged it.

Andy Reid always helps his guys move on and I'm guessing Derm shares that philosophy. One good consequence is that guys may be more open to working for him.

[YoloinOhio]

20 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I get it, but my point is the Bills could have blocked it or offered Culley a similar position here if they wanted.  Makes me wonder if they were more on board with it and encouraged it.

They didn’t have that type of position available. They don’t (like most teams) need a “passing game coordinator”. They have 2 positions available  -  WR coach and QB coach, both of which he’s already done. They certainly could have blocked it, but no reason to block a guy from a promotion. McD knew he had aspirations beyond QB coach when he hired him, and Culley gave him 2 years. 

Edited January 30, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[folz]

For those who say the move doesn't help Culley's chances of becoming a head coach, think about this...

 

Josh made big improvements as the season went on this year, so Culley can take (at least partial) credit for that. And if Josh keeps getting better, well he helped lay the foundation. If Josh doesn't improve, well, it's because he left. And now he moves on to a team with another young, raw QB. Jackson may or may not become a franchise QB, but if he improves his passing under Culley  (which he should at least to some extent for the simple fact that he is young and raw), then Culley has "groomed" or done well with two, young, raw QBs. And he might get that "QB whisperer" tag. That type of tag can definitely lead to a head coaching gig for a team with a young QB or one planning to draft a young QB.

 

Plus he is basically a co-coordinator, which is less of a jump to HC than from QB coach. And the Asst Head Coaching title may seem almost honorary to us, like he just got it so its not a lateral move or to satisfy someone's stature in the league, etc. But it also says, another head coach in the league really wants this guy on his staff, enough to give him that extra title and it says, I'm going to lean on this guy. He will be in the upper level of planning. So, I would think it is not really a meaningless title in NFL or owner's circles.

 

Plus as others said, Baltimore is a much more high profile team than Buffalo. More press, more nationally televised games, etc.

 

After a year or two in Baltimore, especially if Jackson and the offense improves (the Ravens have traditionally not been a great offensive team), his standing in the league and possibly for a head coaching position will be much improved over deciding to stay in Buffalo as just the QB coach. Seems pretty obvious.

 

[billsfan_34]

Jordan Palmer?