Heff Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Long time reader first time topic poster. I was wondering if we could pull a Cleveland move and obsorb Blake Bortles contract for a second rd pick, plus a fifth? 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Heff said: Long time reader first time topic poster. I was wondering if we could pull a Cleveland move and obsorb Blake Bortles contract for a second rd pick, plus a fifth? ...a fifth of WHAT?........... 6 27 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Interesting but it doesn’t seem to be their style. Plus there are two QB’s under contract that have both been helpful to Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I'd take Blake Bortles off the Jags' hands for their 2nd and 5th round picks. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I’d rather just trade down in the first round. Obviously need a partner but we may be in the perfect spot to do so. Don’t waste the cap space while we are trying to make the playoffs next season. If we were 0-16, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 If they really need the space I’d do it in a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Not sure why we need to even consider this. For once in 20+ years the Bills are set in the QB department. Where would Bortles fit in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Not sure why we need to even consider this. For once in 20+ years the Bills are set in the QB department. Where would Bortles fit in? Cleveland cut Osweiler. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I would rather increase our draft value by possibly trading down in the draft. We can finally have some options in free agency this year that can have an immediate impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I'd take Blake Bortles off the Jags' hands for their 2nd and 5th round picks. That's an awful lot to pay. You can sign a free agent that would be better than that second round pick for the Bortles money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Heff said: Long time reader first time topic poster. I was wondering if we could pull a Cleveland move and obsorb Blake Bortles contract for a second rd pick, plus a fifth? Cleveland only got a 2nd, and I believe Osweiler made more. And gave back a late 4th. Why would Buffalo get more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, White Linen said: That's an awful lot to pay. You can sign a free agent that would be better than that second round pick for the Bortles money. You cut him on final cut-downs. Or trade him to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 If I recall these types of straight moves are not allowed. Cleveland had to keep him and make it look legit, not trade and cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, cle23 said: Cleveland cut Osweiler. That's a different story if Cleveland wants Bortles, then fine, I don't care what Cleveland does. I took the OP to mean Buffalo to bring in Bortles, which I would be against as it is totally unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 This would not make sense for where the bills are at. Cleveland was in the year two of a tear down and had around $120 million in cap and no one on the roster that they needed to re-sign. Josh allens contract is competitive advantage and trading for Bortles would handy cap the Bills ability to build a contender in the next 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, Heff said: Long time reader first time topic poster. I was wondering if we could pull a Cleveland move and obsorb Blake Bortles contract for a second rd pick, plus a fifth? I don’t want to sound rude on one of your first threads Blake Bortles. Why???? He’s not that good. And with a high salary not worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: I don’t want to sound rude on one of your first threads Blake Bortles. Why???? ...beerman...why not?......but may not be too good connecting with Blue Light tosses though...just sayin'............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...a fifth of WHAT?........... Jack Daniels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, Heff said: Long time reader first time topic poster. I was wondering if we could pull a Cleveland move and obsorb Blake Bortles contract for a second rd pick, plus a fifth? Hmmm, interesting scenario. We certainly have the cap room to do it. I dont know his contract details...what is the size and length of it? Also, what is the cap hit if we trade for him and then cut him? Would it just be dead cap space this year? If so, I would absolutely trade for him and get their 2nd and 5th round picks. We got cap room to have some dead money this year in exchange for a 2nd and a 5th. But if it screws the cap up for a couple years, then less interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Jack Daniels ...pull the trigger!........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I don’t want to sound rude on one of your first threads Blake Bortles. Why???? He’s not that good. And with a high salary not worth it I think you missed what he said. They would GIVE US a 2nd round pick and a 5th round pick to take on his contract. So we aren't trading for Blake, we are essentially getting the Jags 2nd and 5th round picks just for taking on Blake and his contract. Just like Cleveland did with Houston when they took on Osweiler. Edited January 24, 2019 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heff Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 I understand all view points ,but I really don’t see any eye popping wr’s in free agency and this would allow OT in first and 2 early seconds for Wide receiver’s. I also think his cap hit will b 16 million.... osweiler was 15 ish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I think you missed what he said. They would GIVE US a 2nd round pick and a 5th round pick to take on his contract. So we aren't trading for Blake, we are essentially getting the Jags 2nd and 5th round picks just for taking on Blake and his contract. Just like Cleveland did with Houston. I do not want anything to do with Blake Bortles who IMO is slightly better than Tyrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I don’t want to sound rude on one of your first threads Blake Bortles. Why???? He’s not that good. And with a high salary not worth it Read. He is saying eat the cap hit in exchange for picks and cut him at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: I do not want anything to do with Blake Bortles who IMO is slightly better than Tyrod You are missing the point. It has nothing to do with Blake at all. They give us their 2nd and 5th round pick AND Blake bortles for essentially nothing. They free themselves of Blakes salary, which we take on and they are paying us a 2nd round pick and a 5th round pick to do so. Once we have him, we can just cut him and take the cap hit because we have the cap room. We then have the Jags 2nd and 5th round picks for taking a short term cap hit. Literally has nothing to do with Bortles or him playing for the Bills. We just have the cap space to help the Jags relieve cap space...and they are paying us a hefty price in draft picks to do that. This is what Houston and Cleveland did with Osweiler and then Cleveland cut him and netter the 2nd round pick from Houston still. So thats why I keep saying you are missing the point, really has nothing to do with Bortles nor would Bortles remain a Bill afterwards. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, Heff said: Long time reader first time topic poster. I was wondering if we could pull a Cleveland move and obsorb Blake Bortles contract for a second rd pick, plus a fifth? did you need 5 question marks to ask this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Interesting topic. Here's what went down in Cleveland. https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/09/cleveland-browns-brock-osweiler-trade-houston-texans-moneyball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heff Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Also I don’t want Blake bortles 2 even step foot on New era field . Take the cap hit for they compensation. Then release 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Sorry you don’t agree with my sentiment that I don’t care if they gave us 5 first picks and he comes at no cost. No to Bortles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Heff said: Long time reader first time topic poster. I was wondering if we could pull a Cleveland move and obsorb Blake Bortles contract for a second rd pick, plus a fifth? this actually a rather interesting idea. kudos! 41 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Interesting but it doesn’t seem to be their style. Plus there are two QB’s under contract that have both been helpful to Allen. doesn't mean we have to keep him, just inherit the money and cut him, like buying a vowel. Edited January 24, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: We then have the Jags 2nd and 5th round picks for taking a short term cap hit. Your creativity is noted, and appreciated. I tried to reply with an eloquent post about the value of picks versus cap hit.. but found it hard to verbalize. Short story: a 2nd and 5th for a disposable player is not something the Jags would offer (even to evade a cap hit). The Bortles market will heat up after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 34 minutes ago, Heff said: Long time reader first time topic poster. I was wondering if we could pull a Cleveland move and obsorb Blake Bortles contract for a second rd pick, plus a fifth? Yeah I brought this up in another thread. I don't think Blake would net that much.........the acquiring team would only have to eat $6.5M(the guaranteed portion of 2019 salary).............so you might get a 4th and a 6th or something? Another interesting one is former Panther All Pro guard and last years hottest OL free agent Andrew Norwell..........who the Jags could save $13M in actual guaranteed 2019 salary if they traded him. Seeing more of these early year base salary guarantees in contracts.........which makes them more tradeable. I doubt the Bills would want to pay hi that $13M in salary but if they strike out in OL shopping in FA you never know. Former Panther stud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I do not want anything to do with Blake Bortles who IMO is slightly better than Tyrod take the 2nd rounder and a 5th and cut the slug. Edited January 24, 2019 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 The only way I would see it is if the Bills needed a #2 QB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Sorry you don’t agree with my sentiment that I don’t care if they gave us 5 first picks and he comes at no cost. No to Bortles ?? Shady, are you off your rocker? 5 firsts for Bortles salary... all day, every day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Sorry you don’t agree with my sentiment that I don’t care if they gave us 5 first picks and he comes at no cost. No to Bortles Thats just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: ?? Shady, are you off your rocker? 5 firsts for Bortles salary... all day, every day. I may have gone a bit overboard. I just dont want anything to do with him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 So you’d rather have an absorption of a substantial contract because of a 2nd and 5th, knowing less than 10% of fifths ever start, vs. going after a couple of WR and a Guard or Center, and then have more talent when we draft as we already have two 2nds. Doesnt make any sense to me as I live in FL and he is not good at all, but I do welcome you to the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Thats just dumb. Everyone has a moment or 2 of insanity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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