YoloinOhio Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) I think there are number of teams who may trade up for a QB that aren’t obvious. LAC, Cincy, Steelers, NE, Vikings, Miami . If you look at a guy like Haskins as one who would benefit from a Mahomes situation where he can redshirt a year, I wouldn’t be shocked to see a team like that jump up with an eye on having a QB ready to replace an incumbent who is either at the end of his career or is mediocre. Similar to KC a couple years ago. Edited January 18, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: How so? There are only a couple of qbs remotely worthy of a top ten pick, and if 6 teams (or even 4, if I'm conservative) are out of the QB game and want to trade down, where does that leave Buffalo w/regard to a potential trade down? If teams want a QB, they will be willing to move up. Last year proved that. QBs always get taken way earlier than they should. If there is a run of QBs taken before we pick, the impetus for teams to move up to 9 will go away. You don’t trade to move up for a player that’s already been taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: QBs always get taken way earlier than they should. If there is a run of QBs taken before we pick, the impetus for teams to move up to 9 will go away. You don’t trade to move up for a player that’s already been taken. But who are the QBs in this draft outside of the Ohio State guy? Last year their were legit blue chip prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: But who are the QBs in this draft outside of the Ohio State guy? Last year their were legit blue chip prospects. Personally, I have both Daniel Jones and Drew Lock graded higher than Haskins. I haven't graded Kyler Murray yet, but based on what I've seen so far, I'm guessing he'll end up with a higher grade as well. Lock is my #1 guy right now and he's just a tick below Josh Allen on my grading scale (who was my #3 QB last year). Lock and Jones both have higher grades than I gave Josh Rosen last year; Haskins is closer to being a 2nd round prospect than being on par with last year's 1st rounders IMO. I think all 4 of those guys have a legitimate chance to be taken in the first round depending on how this offseason goes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dave mcbride Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Personally, I have both Daniel Jones and Drew Lock graded higher than Haskins. I haven't graded Kyler Murray yet, but based on what I've seen so far, I'm guessing he'll end up with a higher grade as well. Lock is my #1 guy right now and he's just a tick below Josh Allen on my grading scale (who was my #3 QB last year). Lock and Jones both have higher grades than I gave Josh Rosen last year; Haskins is closer to being a 2nd round prospect than being on par with last year's 1st rounders IMO. I think all 4 of those guys have a legitimate chance to be taken in the first round depending on how this offseason goes. Why higher than Haskins, if you don't mind my asking? Haskins' production was off-the-charts great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Why higher than Haskins, if you don't mind my asking? Haskins' production was off-the-charts great. I watch 3-6 games of each prospect when I'm doing it and I've recently started charting throws as well rather than just eye-balling it. Of the three that I've charted so far (Lock, Jones and Haskins), Haskins came out the lowest in terms of his ball placement and timing. I think Haskins has slightly more potential than Jones, but Jones is so polished already. Jones seems to always have a plan on each play; for example, he recognizes blitzers and knows exactly where his hot read is. He gets the ball out quickly and on time basically every play. Haskins shows flashes of that, but he's just not nearly as consistent at this point in time. You also see Haskins' mechanics fall apart when pressure is coming. I think Jones is a much safer pick and I don't think his ceiling is much lower either. As for Lock, he's a work in progress in terms of making full-field reads, but the potential for him is sky high. His arm strength isn't Josh Allen levels but it's very good. His accuracy is much better than the media gives him credit for IMO; last year, his adjusted completion % was right in line with all of last year's 1st rounders with the exception of Baker (who was ungodly higher than everyone else) and Allen (who was significantly lower than everyone else) and his percentage of "big-time throws" per PFF was significantly higher than everyone else (with the exception of Baker who was very close). And I think he's shown improvement this year too. He needs more development than Haskins and Jones but I think he has a significantly higher ceiling than both of them. And like I said, I'm not sure about Kyler yet as I haven't watched any full game clips; just watched a few of his games on TV as they were happening, but just from that, you can tell he has the arm strength, probably at least on par with these guys in terms of accuracy, and he's an insane weapon as a runner. I wouldn't be shocked if Kyler ends up being my #1 QB when it's all said and done but like I said, I haven't REALLY started scouting him seriously yet. Beyond those guys, the others that I've finished scouting are Herbert and Shea Patterson (both returning to school), Clayton Thorson, and Ryan Finley. I have Thorson graded as roughly a 4th round pick and Finley on the border of a 5th or 6th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 22 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Moving down to 15. Might be worth doing if the guy Beane wants is projected to be there. Move down to 15 and draft Hockenson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 For what it's worth, Charlie Campbell's latest mock has 4 QBs going in the top 11. Haskins and Jones at 6 and 7 to the Giants and Jags, Lock to the Broncos at 10, and Kyler Murray to the Bengals at 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 If multiple teams are interested in a QB that hovers around 9 then things get interesting and the return for a QB could be significant. I would love to get a 3rd and a 1st next year or a 2nd in 2019 and a solid pick in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, racketmaster said: Move down to 15 and draft Hockenson Daboll’s background as a TE coach to Gronk makes me think this is a likely scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 DJ has 4 QBs in his top 32. Haskins is first at 15 - then a drop off until 23 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001012558/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft-10 15 Dwayne Haskins, QB School: Ohio State | Year: Sophomore (RS) Haskins is a pure pocket passer with outstanding arm strength, poise and production. He lacks ideal foot quicks in his setup, but he throws from a firm platform. He has a tight, compact stroke and the ball jumps out of his hand. He can drive the football into tight widows and displays excellent loft and touch on the deep ball. Haskins will get a little aggressive at times, but his overall decision-making has been solid. His biggest issues arise when he's forced to move off his spot because he lacks the suddenness to create and get out of trouble. He's accurate on designed roll-outs to the right, but his accuracy is spotty on the opposite side. He's used sparingly on designed QB runs, but I love his competitiveness and toughness as a ball carrier (see: Maryland game, when he logged three rushing scores). Overall, Haskins has the necessary tools to win games from the pocket, but his success will depend greatly on his protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just wanted to share a picture from yesterday 5 months to recover? It's not looking good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I could see this deal happening. Any QB with a 1st round grade is capable of being picked in the top 10 picks. Giants almost have to take a QB. I don’t see Jags taking a QB unless they fall in love with Murray. That leaves more than a couple teams sitting behind Denver who might want to jump up for the 2nd best QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I could see this deal happening. Any QB with a 1st round grade is capable of being picked in the top 10 picks. Giants almost have to take a QB. I don’t see Jags taking a QB unless they fall in love with Murray. That leaves more than a couple teams sitting behind Denver who might want to jump up for the 2nd best QB. Almost have to? They need to IMO. Bortles was benched in Jax for a reason so imo the Jags may be looking too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 3:41 PM, Mr. WEO said: Move UP for LT?? Yikes. Anyway, move down and let the Redskin blow the pick on a tiny QB who will leave them to play baseball. Moving up for an OT would make no sense. However, moving down and selecting one with the bonus of adding picks isn't a bad idea. As with ever trade deal you have to ask what are you forgoing and are you ultimately getting better with more picks. I'm inclined to think that McDermott is going to go with the best defensive lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Just wanted to share a picture from yesterday 5 months to recover? It's not looking good Quote The bad news is he likely has several surgeries and procedures still to come, including the ultimate removal of his ring external fixator. At this point, there is no way he will be ready for the start of the coming season. In fact, he may never be able to play. The next thing to watch for are reports of a free flap graft. This is where there is exposed bone from the debridement of infected tissue and where doctors take a muscle from another part of his body and reconnect it to the leg area to cover the exposed area where infected tissue was removed. If this happens (or has happened), that would make it hard for Smith to return to football at all. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-alex-smith-leg-surgery-recovery-return-redskins-0121-story.html Edited January 22, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 1:07 PM, DCOrange said: For what it's worth, Charlie Campbell's latest mock has 4 QBs going in the top 11. Haskins and Jones at 6 and 7 to the Giants and Jags, Lock to the Broncos at 10, and Kyler Murray to the Bengals at 11. I don’t know who Charlie Campbell is, but I hope he’s onto something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 2:42 PM, oldmanfan said: If you can get another first or second round pick then absolutely As I stated in another thread, 1 first and two seconds...T, WR, still top tier C in our first three picks, plus a T and a G in free agency. TASTY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 The Bills are in a good spot. The only thing that could mess up a trade back possibility would be if Denver wants a QB and fears another team leapfrogging them. They could conceivably trade above Buffalo, and Buffalo would lose most of their leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Nobody deserves to go out this way, but especially this guy. Mr. Thankless QB for the entirety of his career. Honestly believe if healthy he would have taken his third team to the playoffs this year. Damn shame. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Man...isn't it nice to have a top 10 pick and not need a QB? 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, TigerJ said: The Bills are in a good spot. The only thing that could mess up a trade back possibility would be if Denver wants a QB and fears another team leapfrogging them. They could conceivably trade above Buffalo, and Buffalo would lose most of their leverage. You're right that this is one of the worst scenarios, but Bills still may capitalize on their draft position. If Denver trades up, it means that there is a serious run on QBs. If there are let's say 3 QBs taken ahead of us, there will be some serious defensive talent dropping, which means some teams might want to move couple of spots even for nonQB. Something like GB wanting Ferrell/Oliver/Gary/Simmons. Remember how Saints traded up for Davenport last year, everything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, eball said: Man...isn't it nice to have a top 10 pick and not need a QB? #process #trustit 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 The picture of the brace combined with the description of what likely has happened so far on the surgery front is gruesome. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 poor guy that's a tough spot to be in. hope he can at least get back to walking normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-alex-smith-leg-surgery-recovery-return-redskins-0121-story.html Yup. They need to do something. Gruden though still likes himself some McCoy 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Nobody deserves to go out this way, but especially this guy. Mr. Thankless QB for the entirety of his career. Honestly believe if healthy he would have taken his third team to the playoffs this year. Damn shame. Agreed. A solid QB that wins and he's driven from two teams by some up and comer. one Kneeled himself out of the league and the other may just be great. 53 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The picture of the brace combined with the description of what likely has happened so far on the surgery front is gruesome. Oh its worse if you live in DC and listen to local reporters. Infections and skin peels etc 45 minutes ago, aristocrat said: poor guy that's a tough spot to be in. hope he can at least get back to walking normal I don't think that will be a major problem. Getting in shape to play football again is a major issue Edited January 22, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 1:21 PM, YoloinOhio said: Bills sit one spot ahead of Denver Update on Alex Smith status: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-alex-smith-leg-surgery-recovery-return-redskins-0121-story.html Jesu, that's gruesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The picture of the brace combined with the description of what likely has happened so far on the surgery front is gruesome. When the “good news” is limited to “he shouldn’t lose his leg....” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: When the “good news” is limited to “he shouldn’t lose his leg....” Similar to the Zach Miller injury last year. YIKES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: When the “good news” is limited to “he shouldn’t lose his leg....” If I'm in his family, I'm probably going with, Alex, let's aim for a hiking trip sometime next year with the kids...and brush up the resume for the analyst's chair a la Theismann. Hard to imagine how bad this injury was, and still is for him. Hope he recovers fully though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: If I'm in his family, I'm probably going with, Alex, let's aim for a hiking trip sometime next year with the kids...and brush up the resume for the analyst's chair a la Theismann. Hard to imagine how bad this injury was, and still is for him. Hope he recovers fully though. It was Theismann bad. Even with "modern" medicine hes in for a long haul. This can be career ending. Course the Skins don't want to say that until their lawyers figure out a way out of the contract $ because of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hopefully Smith can heal enough to enjoy his retirement but I doubt he will ever play again. A trade back with Washington for their 2nd rnd pick would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Why not take a shot at Foles? Seems like a Redskins thing to do... but you have an instant QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) I’m glad he’s got plenty of money. Heal up and have a nice life! I was surprised to see his career earning (about $93 mil) well above Andrew Luck (by like $20 mil - I know Luck has more years on rookie deal, with plenty of time to surpass), but more shockingly only about $10 mil ahead of Butt Fumble Sanchez. Get well, sir. . Edited January 23, 2019 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Charlie Campbell at Walter Football, reporting rumors at the Senior Bowl says theGiants have interest in Haskins, Daniel Jones and Kyler Murray. Of course, if the draft a QB, they would have to choose. Denver reportedly likes Drew Lock, and Washington likes Daniel Jones, but don't think he'll drop to them at 16. http://www.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2019rumors.php Much could change over the next three months, but as of this moment, it looks to be shaping up nicely for a potential trade for Buffalo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: Why not take a shot at Foles? Seems like a Redskins thing to do... but you have an instant QB... Iggles wouldn’t trade him to a rival, unless they offered like, 3 1st round picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 2:29 PM, DCOrange said: I don't think it's "may" personally. Living in the DC area, I think it's pretty obvious just based on the attitudes around here that the Redskins will likely be extremely desperate to make a splash of some sort, whether that's trading for a guy like Antonio Brown or, more likely IMO, trying to move up to take Haskins, who brings triple value to the Redskins as: A legitimately good QB prospect (even if I think he's overrated) A cheap QB while they're stuck paying Alex Smith to not play football A local kid that can excite the fan base Kyler Murray could be an option for them as well as he would undoubtedly bring excitement to the team, but I'm not sure they'll want to go that route after watching RGIII's leg fall off. What is it with redskins qbs and their legs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 57 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Iggles wouldn’t trade him to a rival, unless they offered like, 3 1st round picks Isn’t he a FA now? I thought they passed on trading him last year when they had the chance and if he can just leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Isn’t he a FA now? I thought they passed on trading him last year when they had the chance and if he can just leave I thought that was the deal. Not positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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