Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Only 1 is in the top 10 D for points allowed. A lot of offense, and just enough D. That's the formula for success. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 That's the current trend, eh? Thanks. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Good thing our Offense is set then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Imagine where we could go if we kept up the top D and added offensive firepower? Wouldn’t we be right there then with the league’s elite? Let Vegas quake in its boots! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 so winning teams put more on the scoreboard more consistently ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Only 1 is in the top 10 D for points allowed. A lot of offense, and just enough D. That's the formula for success. But watch how the Playoff games unfold. 16-15 Eagles over the Bears, Dallas beating the Seahawks 24-22 in a scratch and claw game, Chargers limped by the Ravens. I think what you see is, QB play is the most important especially the decision making , but games are more tightly contested and the scoring is harder to come by. The Bills really need to continue building the depth on defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: But watch how the Playoff games unfold. 16-15 Eagles over the Bears, Dallas beating the Seahawks 24-22 in a scratch and claw game, Chargers limped by the Ravens. I think what you see is, QB play is the most important especially the decision making , but games are more tightly contested and the scoring is harder to come by. The Bills really need to continue building the depth on defense. Sure. If you ignore the top 4 teams that all moved on to the conference finals and 3 of which racked up points pretty easily, you can make an argument for defense. But what happened opening weekend is pretty irrelevant when the Colts / Cowboys / Chargers showed they can't keep up and the Eagles gave up a 14-0 lead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: But watch how the Playoff games unfold. 16-15 Eagles over the Bears, Dallas beating the Seahawks 24-22 in a scratch and claw game, Chargers limped by the Ravens. I think what you see is, QB play is the most important especially the decision making , but games are more tightly contested and the scoring is harder to come by. The Bills really need to continue building the depth on defense. That was last weekend. Minus the Saints, the other 3 top scoring teams all won in a blowout. I hope the league keeps trending this way. I love watching a high powered offense. Its way better then watching a game of field position and teams going 3 and out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 It's almost like the Bills should have made whatever maneuvers were necessary to land a QB in last year's draft. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 The goal is to score one point more than the other team, in a blowout it goes to garbagetime and the leading team puts the breaks on the rest of the way and doesn't care if they other teams scores, it's a matter of grinding the clock and sealing the win taking the end result and pretending it was the strategy the whole 60 minutes defeats the purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I've always looked at this stat (average scoring margin) https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-scoring-margin That, along with turnover differential, are usually very conclusive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, hemma said: I've always looked at this stat (average scoring margin) https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-scoring-margin That, along with turnover differential, are usually very conclusive. Man, hemma, nice stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Yep. Defence does not win championships anymore. You need to have a respectable defence of course but offence is way more valuable In 2018. I know it sounds like I am stating the obvious, but a descent amount of people here seemed to think a top defence was close or equal to a top offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: But watch how the Playoff games unfold. 16-15 Eagles over the Bears, Dallas beating the Seahawks 24-22 in a scratch and claw game, Chargers limped by the Ravens. I think what you see is, QB play is the most important especially the decision making , but games are more tightly contested and the scoring is harder to come by. The Bills really need to continue building the depth on defense. Scoring wasn't hard to come by in the AFC games. Both were over before halftime. Blowouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 And last year it was 3 out of 4 with the top 5 defenses. Its definitely a back and forth league, but there is a need for consistsncy across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: so winning teams put more on the scoreboard more consistently ? Funny how that works and defenses stop teams from opponents from scoring more than the offense; row_33 we should get into coaching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 the consistency is the win-loss record is the only thing that matters in the regular season, top teams seek to gain HFA and then can relax and in the playoffs you aim to win the game, hopefully easily so you can pull back and rest up for next week 10 minutes ago, vorpma said: Funny how that works and defenses stop teams from opponents from scoring more than the offense; row_33 we should get into coaching! just like in hockey the best plus/minuses come from the top teams that score a lot of goals? i need stats to TELL ME SOMETHING I DIDN"T ALREADY FIGURE OUT from watching the game and maybe 30 seconds of low-level stat analysis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I 1 minute ago, row_33 said: the consistency is the win-loss record is the only thing that matters in the regular season, top teams seek to gain HFA and then can relax and in the playoffs you aim to win the game, hopefully easily so you can pull back and rest up for next week just like in hockey the best plus/minuses come from the top teams that score a lot of goals? I seen nothing over the last 48 hours that differentiates the NFL in 2018 from the last 60 years; good teams win - passing, running, defense, blitz, zone, or special teams. The offense has to score more points than the opponent and the defense has to hold the opponent to less points. And defense still wins games through the course of a season! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 can't wait for a new baseball stat so i can be comfortable in believing that Joe DiMaggio and Mike Schmidt and Pedro Martinez were pretty good ballplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 We need heat maps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, vorpma said: I I seen nothing over the last 48 hours that differentiates the NFL in 2018 from the last 60 years; good teams win - passing, running, defense, blitz, zone, or special teams. The offense has to score more points than the opponent and the defense has to hold the opponent to less points. And defense still wins games through the course of a season! with a cynical brush-off, so it's not like it matters anyway, i can say i believe that about 95% of the winners in Division weekend the last 50 years were the home team sure seemed that way and it was 100% this weekend without a really good reason to believe otherwise, the Wild Card weekend participant has little chance against #1 and 2 in a conference a few exceptions of the past were Ben Roethlistberger was out the first 4 or so weeks or Emmitt Smith sat out the first two for the Cowboys, so they were really better than their record indicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: so winning teams put more on the scoreboard more consistently ? The team with the better defense was 1-7 in the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Imagine where we could go if we kept up the top D and added offensive firepower? Wouldn’t we be right there then with the league’s elite? Let Vegas quake in its boots! Beane says he wants to build a high powered Offense. Expect a lot to be invested in the O this offseason. I do believe if we stay at 9 it will definitely be on a defensive player. But a lot of our money and picks will go toward Offense. Edited January 14, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: The team with the better defense was 1-7 in the playoffs. the Chiefs and Pats D sure rose to the occasion when it mattered i was under the impression they were horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: with a cynical brush-off, so it's not like it matters anyway, i can say i believe that about 95% of the winners in Division weekend the last 50 years were the home team sure seemed that way and it was 100% this weekend without a really good reason to believe otherwise, the Wild Card weekend participant has little chance against #1 and 2 in a conference a few exceptions of the past were Ben Roethlistberger was out the first 4 or so weeks or Emmitt Smith sat out the first two for the Cowboys, so they were really better than their record indicated Right on, and the Dome Team (Colts) and warm weather Chargers struggled out doors in the cold; would like to what would have happened in the Saints played outside in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, vorpma said: Right on, and the Dome Team (Colts) and warm weather Chargers struggled out doors in the cold; would like to what would have happened in the Saints played outside in Philly. that's why they gear for as many home games as they can in the playoffs, that's the only goal nobody cares about a perfect season, once a decade it can't be helped, they don't want to waste a single drop of sweat or blood or whatever if it doesn't help for home field in the playoffs that skews all stats from the top teams as they just want out of there with the win we finally got to see the Pats coming out at 100% effort, not like the game where they laughed against the Bills and they pulled up at the half and coasted to the sadly too-easy win Edited January 14, 2019 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Any team that focuses on only one aspect of the game is doomed. You need to be good in all aspects of the game to compete at this level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, row_33 said: the Chiefs and Pats D sure rose to the occasion when it mattered i was under the impression they were horrible When your offense scores non-stop, you make the opposing team one dimensional quickly. Melvin Gordon completely neutralized because you have to throw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: When your offense scores non-stop, you make the opposing team one dimensional quickly. Melvin Gordon completely neutralized because you have to throw. Pats came loaded for bear first time all season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Only 1 is in the top 10 D for points allowed. A lot of offense, and just enough D. That's the formula for success. It's interesting that last years final four- Minnesota, Philadelphia, Jacksonville and New England were ranked #1, #2, #4 and #5 in total defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, row_33 said: the Chiefs and Pats D sure rose to the occasion when it mattered Now you're getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Now you're getting it. it was a very impressive display i don't care who wins but just want good games, the 4th one was good. very very disappointed in the Colts and Bolts efforts but they were facing tsunamis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: it was a very impressive display i don't care who wins but just want good games, the 4th one was good. very very disappointed in the Colts and Bolts efforts but they were facing tsunamis. The first 3 games were very easy calls (certainly the Colts and Chargers were doomed before the coin flip). I wasn't sure with the last game, but I had NO in the other post about picking the games. Bottom line, Brees may be the second best QB of all time. That last drive was what killed the Eagles, not Jeffries's drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 This is why we traded up for Allen. We want him to take our offense to the next level. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The first 3 games were very easy calls (certainly the Colts and Chargers were doomed before the coin flip). I wasn't sure with the last game, but I had NO in the other post about picking the games. Bottom line, Brees may be the second best QB of all time. That last drive was what killed the Eagles, not Jeffries's drop. i give the nod to the home team on Divisional Weekend, unless there is a heck of a reason not to through injuries or momentum i expected the Chargers to do better than that, as big a disappointment as Bama earlier this month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I think this is due to the rules making it much harder to play DB in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said: Yep. Defence does not win championships anymore. You need to have a respectable defence of course but offence is way more valuable In 2018. I know it sounds like I am stating the obvious, but a descent amount of people here seemed to think a top defence was close or equal to a top offence. Its because people are bad at ranking defenses and understanding their job. 9 of the top 12 defenses were in the playoffs if you go by points, the important metric. Edited January 14, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Its because people are bad at ranking defenses and understanding their job. 9 of the top 12 defenses were in the playoffs if you go by points, the important metric. you cannot make D stats applicable in a meaningful sense beyond a simple observation that the top teams that focus on D have the best D out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, hemma said: I've always looked at this stat (average scoring margin) https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-scoring-margin That, along with turnover differential, are usually very conclusive. I long for the day when we're a +4 differential team. It won't be this year but it will be 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, row_33 said: you cannot make D stats applicable in a meaningful sense beyond a simple observation that the top teams that focus on D have the best D out there Nonsense. Football is a very simple game. Score more than the opponent. The job of the offenses is to score. The job of the defense is to prevent opposing offenses from scoring. Being Above average in both or being an extremely great outlier in one of the two are what make winners. Edited January 14, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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