Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: So the #1, 2, 3 and 4 offense are in the championship games. The team with the better defense has gone 1-7 in the playoffs thus far. For all the people who STILL think defense wins championships, refer to this. Also, remember how often people brought up the Jags from last year to prove a point? It isn't sustainable. Anyways, I look forward to drafting a DT in the first next year. You know, they just mentioned that this is the first time in the SuperBowl era that the top 4 offenses made it to the Championship round. The rules changers got their wish. Defense has been eradicated from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Yeah I mean if they had just waited the refs would have helped them win the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: So the #1, 2, 3 and 4 offense are in the championship games. The team with the better defense has gone 1-7 in the playoffs thus far. For all the people who STILL think defense wins championships, refer to this. Also, remember how often people brought up the Jags from last year to prove a point? It isn't sustainable. Anyways, I look forward to drafting a DT in the first next year. Top four offenses by PPG, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I can't explain it. The Eagles are my most hated team in the league. I hate them more than the Patriots. I thought I hated Andy Reid and then he went to Kansas City and I realised I don't hate him at all. I hate the Philadelphia Eagles. Everything about them. Players, uniforms, fans, the lot... NE* aside, I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Good game, the only one this weekend 7 minutes ago, Bfanlc said: Yeah I mean if they had just waited the refs would have helped them win the game Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the refs mommy come help me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: You know, they just mentioned that this is the first time in the SuperBowl era that the top 4 offenses made it to the Championship round. The rules changers got their wish. Defense has been eradicated from the game. I'll wait until defenses have more than an off-season to adjust. The top 4 offenses this year have been especially great. But I'm sure it will regress to teams that just have a better competitive advantage on either side.. which is always the case in a two sides sport. This year these offenses were better than the best defenses. And these 4 complimentary defenses were better relatively than the Ravens or Cowboys offenses.. they were just better teams. Good defenses. Top 4 offenses. Edited January 14, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I'll wait until defenses have more than an off-season to adjust. The top 4 offenses this year have been especially great. But I'm sure it will regress to teams that just have a better competitive advantage on either side.. which is always the case in a two sides sport. This year these offenses were better than the best defenses. And these 4 complimentary defenses were better relatively than the Ravens or Cowboys offenses.. they were just better teams. Good defenses. Top 4 offenses. New Orleans have a good defense. It was 14th in yards and 14th in points and it played better as the year went on. New England had their usual bend but don't break D that is just below halfway in yards and (as always) top 10 in points. The Rams were just below halfway in both categories but were 4th in takeaways (and all of their 30 takeaways were defense not special teams related). The one "bad" defense that is still standing is the Chiefs but they have played noticeably better defensively at home which is why the #1 seed mattered so much for them. It would be a concern in a non partisan Superbowl atmosphere. The only way the Chiefs win the Superbowl if they get there is, in my mind, in a shootout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, row_33 said: Good game, the only one this weekend Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the refs mommy come help me You know I'm just messing with you right? Having fun with the whole ref thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: New Orleans have a good defense. It was 14th in yards and 14th in points and it played better as the year went on. New England had their usual bend but don't break D that is just below halfway in yards and (as always) top 10 in points. The Rams were just below halfway in both categories but were 4th in takeaways (and all of their 30 takeaways were defense not special teams related). The one "bad" defense that is still standing is the Chiefs but they have played noticeably better defensively at home which is why the #1 seed mattered so much for them. It would be a concern in a non partisan Superbowl atmosphere. The only way the Chiefs win the Superbowl if they get there is, in my mind, in a shootout. And as bad as KC's defense was, they still had 27 takeaways. Only 7 teams had more. Defense is all about playmakers now. A near elite corner in White helps, but the only young guy in our front 7 who makes big plays is Milano. I expect Edmunds to improve in that category, but we need to add one more. Our safeties are reliable as well as occasional ballhawks. What's missing is a young pass rushing force with Jerry and Lorax getting up there in age. Edited January 14, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The one "bad" defense that is still standing is the Chiefs but they have played noticeably better defensively at home which is why the #1 seed mattered so much for them. It would be a concern in a non partisan Superbowl atmosphere. The only way the Chiefs win the Superbowl if they get there is, in my mind, in a shootout. Yeah not to mention the Cheifs defense played out of their minds v the colts. Their great OL got shredded, Andrew Luck shut down. Chiefs defense really turned on the jets in their on playoff game so far. Also statwise. I'd hazard an offense that good led to meaningless garbagetime points given up, and the sorta extended drives they allow another team to waste time as they're down by 14+ points all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: Funny. That aside, if the Eagles parted ways with Jeffery, I would want the Bills signing him immediately. Apparently only his 3rd drop of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 i like NO cuz it is a smaller city like Buiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Apparently only his 3rd drop of the year. The worst time to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: The worst time to have it. It's like when Gary Anderson missed his first field goal of the year against the Falcons at the most inopportune time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PromoTheRobot Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Mark Vader said: Yes, the Chiefs can beat them. Playing in KC they have a shot. In Foxboro fuggedaboudit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Playing in KC they have a shot. In Foxboro fuggedaboudit. Every loss by the Patriots* this season have been on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, Mark Vader said: Every loss by the Patriots* this season have been on the road. As well as their last 3 road AFC title games. They’ve had the luxury of residing in the AFCE during a horrible run for QB play in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Watching Michael Thomas makes me want Hakeem Butler for Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Playing in KC they have a shot. In Foxboro fuggedaboudit. Pretty sure I just calculated they are 3-4 on the road in the playoffs (something like 15-2 at home). Amazing how many games they've played in Foxboro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: I’ll never understand that decision. Time was no longer a factor and the Eagles were set up in prime territory. Settle things down and think about it at the two minute warning. You don’t want to have to defend a potential 1 point lead for very long vs Brees . So freaking dumb Totally agree. The less time left for Brees, the better. That pass should've been caught, but IMO the play never should've happened in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Pretty sure I just calculated they are 3-4 on the road in the playoffs (something like 15-2 at home). Amazing how many games they've played in Foxboro. Yep. The playing in the AFC Least has given them a very cushy path most years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 35 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yep. The playing in the AFC Least has given them a very cushy path most years. That's bull. The Pats dominate everyone. It would have made no difference what division they were in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: That's bull. The Pats dominate everyone. It would have made no difference what division they were in. Odds are they wouldn’t have ended up with home field all the time. 6 games a year vs teams without a good QB will do that. Odds are being in a different division would have left them with a more difficult road at least some of the time. To think otherwise , that it had no impact is presumptuous and statistical folly. They don’t go undefeated every year, so some stiffer competition that has existed in other divisions would matter. Often they’ve been the 1 seed by virtue of a single win or a tiebreaker. That’s life in the afc least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Odds are they wouldn’t have ended up with home field all the time. 6 games a year vs teams without a good QB will do that. Odds are being in a different division would have left them with a more difficult road at least some of the time. To think otherwise , that it had no impact is presumptuous and statistical folly. They don’t go undefeated every year, so some stiffer competition that has existed in other divisions would matter. Often they’ve been the 1 seed by virtue of a single win or a tiebreaker. That’s life in the afc least. The impact would have been on the other three teams in the division, not on the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, MJS said: The impact would have been on the other three teams in the division, not on the Pats. Okay, sure. They never lose games vs teams with good QBs. If they were in a more difficult division they would likely not have home field virtually every year. It’s simple as that. 6 almost guaranteed wins ( except for a weird thing with losing at MIA around 40% of the time ) from very weak division play has made a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Okay, sure. They never lose games vs teams with good QBs. If they were in a more difficult division they would likely not have home field virtually every year. It’s simple as that. 6 almost guaranteed wins ( except for a weird thing with losing at MIA around 40% of the time ) from very weak division play has made a difference. Why not throw out their AFC East games the last 5 or 10 years and see what their record is in all remaining regular season games? I bet it's still pretty damned good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, Nextmanup said: Why not throw out their AFC East games the last 5 or 10 years and see what their record is in all remaining regular season games? I bet it's still pretty damned good. Not saying it isn’t . Just that they have an easier path to the 1 seed than most. It’s not exactly some great revelation. There have been much better teams with a lot better QB play in other divisions. The difference between a bye week or no bye week has often been a single win or a head to head win vs another playoff team that happened to be played at NE. They’ve lost their last 3 road title games. It matters and it’s often secured by a narrow margin. A weak division is a great help to being home in the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Not saying it isn’t . Just that they have an easier path to the 1 seed than most. It’s not exactly some great revelation. There have been much better teams with a lot better QB play in other divisions. The difference between a bye week or no bye week has often been a single win or a head to head win vs another playoff team that happened to be played at NE. They’ve lost their last 3 road title games. It matters and it’s often secured by a narrow margin. A weak division is a great help to being home in the playoffs. They are 7-2 against the Steelers since 2007... They dominate most teams even the 2nd best AFC team in that period.. Edited January 14, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, Aussie Joe said: They are 7-2 against the Steelers since 2007... They dominate most teams have a worse record against the Dolphins.. Nice cherry pick there with the Steelers. However they lost to them this season and a bogus rule interpration was the only reason they didn’t lose last year’s matchup. Curiously, both games were away. The oddity vs the perpetually mediocre Dolphins defies explanation. That aside there have been stronger teams in other divisions throughout Brady’s career, even Super Bowl winners like the Ravens and Broncos. The afc east has been a terrible division for twenty years and offered little resistance to the Pats cushy home field playoff path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Nice cherry pick there with the Steelers. However they lost to them this season and a bogus rule interpration was the only reason they didn’t lose last year’s matchup. Curiously, both games were away. The oddity vs the perpetually mediocre Dolphins defies explanation. That aside there have been stronger teams in other divisions throughout Brady’s career, even Super Bowl winners like the Ravens and Broncos. The afc east has been a terrible division for twenty years and offered little resistance to the Pats cushy home field playoff path. So what is the record against the Broncos and Ravens? I picked the Steelers in the genuine belief they have been the 2nd most consistent team in the AFC over the Brady era.. Edited January 14, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Nice cherry pick there with the Steelers. However they lost to them this season and a bogus rule interpration was the only reason they didn’t lose last year’s matchup. Curiously, both games were away. The oddity vs the perpetually mediocre Dolphins defies explanation. That aside there have been stronger teams in other divisions throughout Brady’s career, even Super Bowl winners like the Ravens and Broncos. The afc east has been a terrible division for twenty years and offered little resistance to the Pats cushy home field playoff path. I checked the record.. 8-3 against the Ravens 9-7 against the Broncos..7-3 since 2011 Edited January 14, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I checked the record.. 8-3 against the Ravens 9-7 against the Broncos..7-3 since 2011 Doesnt prove anything as we don’t know where the games were played . Division games tend to be closer than others due to familiarity and teams “ building” themselves to stop another opponent. The AFC east has had terrible QB play throughout Brady’s career. A different division would likely have changed the playoff seeding some of the time. It’s not really hard to envision. A win here or there has ensured a bye week most of the time. The Bills have beaten Brady exactly twice in games that NE tried to win. The Jets probably haven’t done a ton better. That’s a lot of easy wins a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Doesnt prove anything as we don’t know where the games were played . Division games tend to be closer than others due to familiarity and teams “ building” themselves to stop another opponent. The AFC east has had terrible QB play throughout Brady’s career. A different division would likely have changed the playoff seeding some of the time. It’s not really hard to envision. A win here or there has ensured a bye week most of the time. The Bills have beaten Brady exactly twice in games that NE tried to win. The Jets probably haven’t done a ton better. That’s a lot of easy wins a season. It proves plenty as I have shown they get easy wins against most other AFC teams..even the other good AFC teams over the Brady era.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Why not throw out their AFC East games the last 5 or 10 years and see what their record is in all remaining regular season games? I bet it's still pretty damned good. I mean, all we have to do is look at the smackdown they gave a Chargers team that had a better record than them with a harder schedule. They play good football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Not saying it isn’t . Just that they have an easier path to the 1 seed than most. It’s not exactly some great revelation. There have been much better teams with a lot better QB play in other divisions. The difference between a bye week or no bye week has often been a single win or a head to head win vs another playoff team that happened to be played at NE. They’ve lost their last 3 road title games. It matters and it’s often secured by a narrow margin. A weak division is a great help to being home in the playoffs. The Pats usually have a loss or two each year from AFC East opponents. I would bet that when you compare the losses for the Pats over the last couple decades that a higher percentage of those losses came from within the division, especially considering that only 6 of the 16 games are division games. Also, over the last few years the AFC East has had a combined winning percentage that is one of the highest in the league, with or without the Pats wins and losses factored in. The AFC East is different than other divisions in only 1 way: it has the New England Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I checked the record.. 8-3 against the Ravens 9-7 against the Broncos..7-3 since 2011 And during the Chargers game they explained that there wasn't a single AFC QB left in the playoffs that had EVER won a game (even in the regular season) against Brady. Rivers is now 0 for 8 against Brady and the Patriots. He's an elite QB that has never won a game against Brady. Just crazy. So no, I think this is all illustrating how dominant the Patriots have been, and their AFC East opponents have nothing to do with it. Seems like the only QB's who ever had any moderate success against Brady have the last name of Manning. Edited January 14, 2019 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Okay, sure. They never lose games vs teams with good QBs. If they were in a more difficult division they would likely not have home field virtually every year. It’s simple as that. 6 almost guaranteed wins ( except for a weird thing with losing at MIA around 40% of the time ) from very weak division play has made a difference. They lose to Miami at a higher rate than they lose to Pittsburgh. They are now 9-0 I believe against Rivers. Sure if they were in the same division as Peyton Manning it would have been interesting each year as to who got the #1 seed.... but other than Manning, Ben and Rivers which other AFC teams have had franchise QBs in the last 15 years? They have been fortunate to reside in the AFCE..... but let's be honest they have been fortunate to reside in the AFC full stop. I don't think the record would be that different had they been in any AFC division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Doesnt prove anything as we don’t know where the games were played . Division games tend to be closer than others due to familiarity and teams “ building” themselves to stop another opponent. The AFC east has had terrible QB play throughout Brady’s career. A different division would likely have changed the playoff seeding some of the time. It’s not really hard to envision. A win here or there has ensured a bye week most of the time. The Bills have beaten Brady exactly twice in games that NE tried to win. The Jets probably haven’t done a ton better. That’s a lot of easy wins a season. So what you are saying is you can prove that Brady and the Pat's are getting an advantage because they get to face the other AFC East teams each year multiple times because you cant prove that other teams wouldn't also struggle against them even though records show they have pretty much beaten everyone? If they played in the AFC North this whole time they would have gotten 2 easy wins a year playing the Browns, in the West they would get the Raiders twice a year, the South they get the Jags, all times with similar or worse 2 decade spans as the Bill's. They have been dominant against almost every team in the league with Brady and BB. Bigger question to be asked would be whether the other AFC East teams would have had better records if they didnt have NE in their division...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 NE's winning % is practically identical inside the division vs the rest of the league....they win roughly 75% of their games against the entire NFL....they dominate everyone...except Denver in Denver , Miami in Miami and Baltimore........Brady has a winning record vs all teams except the Broncos....I think they would be dominant in any division..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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