Game of Thrones - And Now Our Watch Has Ended!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Where are there a bunch of stone dragons in King's Landing again?.... 

 

.... Including the biggest of them all? 

 

Under the keep in KL ?

 

1 hour ago, PIZ said:

Some interesting thoughts.  I apologise if Shady already discussed this.

 

some good theories there. 

 

Some of which I kept under the spoiler 

Edited May 7, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[Bad Things]

Hmmm... so how would more dragon eggs help out Jon/Dany now?

Wouldn't they need them hatched and full grown?

[PIZ]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Under the keep in KL ?

 

 

some good theories there. 

 

Some of which I kept under the spoiler 

 

You'll have to show me how to do that.  I guess I didn't consider them spoilers since they are just fan theories.  Nonetheless, I can see why I should put them under the hidden thing you did.  Not sure how to do that though.

 

Has policy been to hide these kinds of things?  If so, I can delete them.

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

On 5/6/2019 at 1:21 PM, John from Riverside said:

I feel like the Dragon Queen is getting a really bad rap and Sansa should be MORE GRATEFUL

 

Were it not for her this would already have gone very differently....

 

The night king would still be alive....marching towards Kings Landing....Winterfell haven fallen and Sansa and the whole of Winterfell would all be trodding along as the undead and NONE of this makes any difference at this point.....the Golden army and Cercei then stand no chance....and it is only a matter of time before the Night King would have won all....

 

SO BECAUSE OF THAT.....the Dragon queen is now down to Drogon (as of right this moment) and her huge army obliterated.......she didnt have to do ANY of this...

 

Bunch of ungrateful *$$*754

 

Arya > Dany 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, PIZ said:

 

You'll have to show me how to do that.  I guess I didn't consider them spoilers since they are just fan theories.  Nonetheless, I can see why I should put them under the hidden thing you did.  Not sure how to do that though.

 

Has policy been to hide these kinds of things?  If so, I can delete them.

 

 

 

You’re too much of a nice guy. Lol 

 

Put the word spoiler   In brackets [ ] no spaces.  

 

/spoiler to end it.  also in brackets. 

 

 

Not against the rules

 

but just in case people don’t want to see them they have an option to look or not. 

 

1 hour ago, Bad Things said:

Hmmm... so how would more dragon eggs help out Jon/Dany now?

Wouldn't they need them hatched and full grown?

 

Eggs ? unhatched are not going to help.  

 

Grown fire breathers are what’s needed. 

 

[PIZ]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

You’re too much of a nice guy. Lol 

 

Put the word spoiler   In brackets [ ] no spaces.  

 

/spoiler to end it.  also in brackets. 

 

 

Not against the rules

 

but just in case people don’t want to see them they have an option to look or not. 

 

 

Eggs ? unhatched are not going to help.  

 

Grown fire breathers are what’s needed. 

 

 

Not too nice.  Just don't want to ruin something for someone.  That spoiler thing worked.  Cool.

 

 

[#34fan]

It'd be so much cooler if Gendry outfitted Drogon with some KILLER Body armor and offensive weapons... Make him like a living fighter jet.... Yuron needs to GO.  -Hopefully he gets chewed up by Drogon instead of burned.

[transplantbillsfan]

I love that it looks more and more like Dany dies.

 

Her whole storyline always irritated me in the books when Martin left Westeros to her. 

 

And sorry, but she's just the least deserving of the Iron Throne among those still in the running to get it.

 

Tyrion is smarter and much more the diplomat.

 

Sansa has the nobility of her father she witnessed combined with the atrocities of her own experiences to bring her some ruthlessness, survival skills, and the ability to read and question people's motives.

 

Arya is Arya.... a mothertruckin bad@$$!!!

 

Jon Snow is absolutely everything, including the rightful heir, which is why he likely dies.

 

Dany's an entitled snot... once you discard the whole being sold to Khal Drogos as a teenager by her brother... but things even worked out well for her there.

 

Kill her off and let a Stark sit on the Iron Throne... it's been destined since the beginning of the very first book/episode.

[Doc Brown]

48 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I love that it looks more and more like Dany dies.

 

Her whole storyline always irritated me in the books when Martin left Westeros to her. 

 

And sorry, but she's just the least deserving of the Iron Throne among those still in the running to get it.

 

Tyrion is smarter and much more the diplomat.

 

Sansa has the nobility of her father she witnessed combined with the atrocities of her own experiences to bring her some ruthlessness, survival skills, and the ability to read and question people's motives.

 

Arya is Arya.... a mothertruckin bad@$$!!!

 

Jon Snow is absolutely everything, including the rightful heir, which is why he likely dies.

 

Dany's an entitled snot... once you discard the whole being sold to Khal Drogos as a teenager by her brother... but things even worked out well for her there.

 

Kill her off and let a Stark sit on the Iron Throne... it's been destined since the beginning of the very first book/episode.

I disagree with you on Jon and Dany who both have the best claim to the throne compared to anybody else.  Sansa would be a good warden of the North.

 

I think Dany would make the better ruler than Jon.  She's been through just as much as Jon (she had to eat a freakin' horse heart).  Has more experience at leading.  She's shown throughout the show that she can be ruthless when she needs to be (see the Tarly family), cares about the people under her rule, will listen to her advisors as she recognizes her weaknesses (something Tywin emphasized to Tommen), inspires loyalty among her people and advisors, willing to sacrifice personal desires to rule effectively (leaving Daario behind), and has learned some hard lessons about being too trusting of people by getting burned a few times (no pun intended) throughout the show by people she thought were trusted (the whole Qarth saga).  She's also willing to forgive as she did with Jorah.

 

Jon has a lot of these qualities but his naieveness (gets that from his uncle and brother) cost him his life by mutiny in his last leadership position.  His sense of honor cost them any chance of Cersei helping them against the dead as he wouldn't pledge his loyalty to her.  His refusal to listen to Sansa almost cost him Battle of the Bastards makes you wonder if he'll listen to his advisors in the future.  He's made some dumb decisions politically due to his sense of honor.  Also, will his first speech as king be "I didn't want this."  Talk about inspiration.  

3 hours ago, #34fan said:

It'd be so much cooler if Gendry outfitted Drogon with some KILLER Body armor and offensive weapons... Make him like a living fighter jet.... Yuron needs to GO.  -Hopefully he gets chewed up by Drogon instead of burned.

Or Dany just attacks them from them from directly above where the weapon can't touch them.

[Nanker]

On 5/6/2019 at 5:06 PM, Heitz said:

 

But, they're not not the Earth - they're on whatever flat planet Westeros is on! ?

Why, that would be West Eros - a hedonistically wild and unlawful place where just about anything goes - from flame throwing dragons, hot wenches, and wine... lots of wine. In other words, Hollywood. 

[eball]

I'll keep saying it.  Jon's already dead.  Can't see this game ending with him on the Iron Throne.

[row_33]

45 minutes ago, eball said:

I'll keep saying it.  Jon's already dead.  Can't see this game ending with him on the Iron Throne.

 

he wouldn't last 2 weeks on it anyway

 

not the type of cat to want it and rule on it

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

18 minutes ago, row_33 said:

he wouldn't last 2 weeks on it anyway

 

not the type of cat to want it and rule on it

Trying to remember back to conversations with Jaime and Tywin, if Jon became Dany's hand he would have to forfeit all rightful inheritance I think. Or maybe being part of the King's Guard just meant no babies, and thus no Lannister inheritance. I don't really remember.

[row_33]

20 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Trying to remember back to conversations with Jaime and Tywin, if Jon became Dany's hand he would have to forfeit all rightful inheritance I think. Or maybe being part of the King's Guard just meant no babies, and thus no Lannister inheritance. I don't really remember.

 

i doubt the writers remember either.... i'll just try to enjoy the finish without picking holes in the plot bigger than the Grand Canyon 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Trying to remember back to conversations with Jaime and Tywin, if Jon became Dany's hand he would have to forfeit all rightful inheritance I think. Or maybe being part of the King's Guard just meant no babies, and thus no Lannister inheritance. I don't really remember.

 

I think that's just the King's Guard 

Jamie was tossed out of the King's Guard..  so I assume he's re-entitled.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

I think that's just the King's Guard 

Still a potential out for him to forfeit the right, I suppose. Highly doubt that's the path tho

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

Maester Aemon (of the Night's Watch) rejected the throne when he became the unlikely next in line.

 

https://www.vulture.com/2015/05/aemon-targaryen-the-man-who-would-not-be-king.html

 

So there is precendent for an heir to just say "I don't wanna"

[row_33]

22 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

Maester Aemon (of the Night's Watch) rejected the throne when he became the unlikely next in line.

 

https://www.vulture.com/2015/05/aemon-targaryen-the-man-who-would-not-be-king.html

 

So there is precendent for an heir to just say "I don't wanna"

 

 

with thrones you have the potential for people that didn't give a rip about god or succession or rules and just seize it through history

 

[Heitz]

3 hours ago, Nanker said:

Why, that would be West Eros - a hedonistically wild and unlawful place where just about anything goes - from flame throwing dragons, hot wenches, and wine... lots of wine. In other words, Hollywood. 

 

Now THAT is a sequel I would watch!  ??

[row_33]

the Imp will win out in the end, he's still intact (that means a lot) and is clever enough to win sympathy to join the next winning horse

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Still a potential out for him to forfeit the right, I suppose. Highly doubt that's the path tho

 

Oh  I see Jame dying.  By the mountain or a dragon depending on what his motives are in KL 

 

12 minutes ago, row_33 said:

the Imp will win out in the end, he's still intact (that means a lot) and is clever enough to win sympathy to join the next winning horse

 

 

 

Fan rumors are still pushing for Tyrion to be a Targ.   but "really" who would respect an Imp on a throne?  

[K-9]

Nobody will “win” the throne because the throne won’t even be intact at the end. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

I still like Tyrion's character.  He has done some bad things,  but not  just to be a bad guy. 

[Buftex]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

i doubt the writers remember either.... i'll just try to enjoy the finish without picking holes in the plot bigger than the Grand Canyon 

 

After all, It's just a tv shoe!

 

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

36 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Oh  I see Jame dying.  By the mountain or a dragon depending on what his motives are in KL 

 

 

My other theory now is that Jamie is on a murder/suicide mission to take out Cersei who he blames for turning him into the bad person he doesn't believe is worthy of Brienne.

[Rockpile233]

38 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Nobody will “win” the throne because the throne won’t even be intact at the end. 

I was thinking that this week. I still think Dany ends on a positive note overcoming her hunger for control. (Jon’s death as a catalyst for the transformation)

 

Would be fitting that the breaker of chains gives independence to the North, etc.

[May Day 10]

17 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

 

My other theory now is that Jamie is on a murder/suicide mission to take out Cersei who he blames for turning him into the bad person he doesn't believe is worthy of Brienne.

 

yeah, the story went a long way with Jaime.... like 5-6 seasons worth, and unlikely to just cast all the development away due to cold feet.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

I was thinking that this week. I still think Dany ends on a positive note overcoming her hunger for control. (Jon’s death as a catalyst for the transformation)

 

Would be fitting that the breaker of chains gives independence to the North, etc.

If there has been one overriding theme in GoT, it’s the idea that we are captives of our own natures. That we are what we are and we usually end up serving those natures for good or ill. That’s not to say characters haven’t evolved, but that’s a different discussion. Dany, more than anyone imo, has shown dual sides to her nature; from cruelty to compassion. We’ve seen the writers deliberately portray her as suddenly so power hungry that nothing else matters, like last season when she postponed her attack on Cersei and KL to serve a greater good. 

 

Not that poetic justice means anything in the GoT universe, but it’s perfectly plausible to me that in the end she serves the greater good once again. I like your idea that her love for Jon and losing him would serve as the catalyst. 

[row_33]

38 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

 

My other theory now is that Jamie is on a murder/suicide mission to take out Cersei who he blames for turning him into the bad person he doesn't believe is worthy of Brienne.

 

i doubt it meant THAT MUCH after all he's been through, bewildered in 90% of his scenes.

 

[PIZ]

I told my wife that it was going to be Varys who ends up on the throne, or at least Tyrion and Varys.  If everyone is killed off, could Varys become King?  I know he has no succession plan, but didn't he say something about wanted to be King someday or someone in the show saying he will be King someday?

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

1 minute ago, PIZ said:

I told my wife that it was going to be Varys who ends up on the throne, or at least Tyrion and Varys.  If everyone is killed off, could Varys become King?  I know he has no succession plan, but didn't he say something about wanted to be King someday or someone in the show saying he will be King someday?

The Red Woman told him he'd die on that miserable continent just like she would.  Didn't say when though...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, PIZ said:

I told my wife that it was going to be Varys who ends up on the throne, or at least Tyrion and Varys.  If everyone is killed off, could Varys become King?  I know he has no succession plan, but didn't he say something about wanted to be King someday or someone in the show saying he will be King someday?

"I have to die in this strange country, just like you - Melisandre   RIP 

 

Volantis ......  where dragons come from???????? 

Edited May 8, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[May Day 10]

Everyone hates Tyrion and Varys though and the common people would not follow them under any circumstances... let alone any of the remaining lords.  Mind you, people hated Tyrion as hand and he is still wanted for Regicide and Patricide/Kinslaying.  When he was Hand for Joffrey, the people despised him despite him protecting them from Joffrey's stupidity/cruelty and also saved them from being sacked.  One of his last public appearance, he basically told everyone he wishes they were all dead.   I also suspect that people of King's Landing will have had their fill of Lannisters ruling after this battle/war.

Nobody likes or trusts Varys either.  

Edited May 8, 2019 by May Day 10

[row_33]

Tyrion is one of the best TV characters the late 25 years

 

he has to carry so many of them in every single scene

 

 

[PIZ]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Tyrion is one of the best TV characters the late 25 years

 

he has to carry so many of them in every single scene

 

 

 

Tyrion and Varys are my favorite actors / characters on the show.  

 

 

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

1 hour ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

 

My other theory now is that Jamie is on a murder/suicide mission to take out Cersei who he blames for turning him into the bad person he doesn't believe is worthy of Brienne.

I'll go a little deeper and say that he will save all of King's Landing by killing her just as he did the Mad King.  The only question in my mind on this is if he'll get credit for it (in the book of accomplishments that has nothing next to his name) or if he'll continue to be uncredited.  Is GoT the kind of show that will give him credit for his final "salvation", hopefully righting the wrongs he did in the first few seasons (and probably before) or would he be remembered for doing nothing of importance?

 

I'm inclined to go with the latter, just like how nobody really remembers Tyrion saving the city during the Battle of the Blackwater.

Edited May 8, 2019 by JÂy RÛßeÒ

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

13 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

I'll go a little deeper and say that he will save all of King's Landing by killing her just as he did the Mad King.  The only question in my mind on this is if he'll get credit for it (in the book of accomplishments that has nothing next to his name) or if he'll continue to be uncredited.  Is GoT the kind of show that will give him credit for his final "salvation", hopefully righting the wrongs he did in the first few seasons (and probably before) or would he be remembered for doing nothing of importance?

 

I'm inclined to go with the latter, just like how nobody really remembers Tyrion saving the city during the Battle of the Blackwater.

 

because the sniveling coward Joffrey took credit for the victory 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

Tyrion is one of the best TV characters the late 25 years

 

he has to carry so many of them in every single scene

 

 

The difference in acting ability between Tyrion, Davos, and Varys is very notacible compared to the rest of the characters at least in the North.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Call me Elf one more time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

 

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Call me Elf one more time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!