Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I wish we had a GM that could assemble us a team to get to 2 SBs and win 1. I'd take that! Thanks Peyton Manning! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Thanks Peyton Manning! And who signed Peyton Manning? Not Buddy Nix. He tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) Just now, reddogblitz said: And who signed Peyton Manning? Not Buddy Nix. He tried. And who picked Paxton Lynch? Edited January 7, 2019 by Joe in Winslow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: And who picked Paxton Lynch? John Elway. and how many Lombardis are in his GM trophy case? Edited January 7, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Offer him an additional title, can’t block a promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: John Elway. and how many Lombardis are in his GM trophy case? How many would be there without Manning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 hours ago, Estro said: Denver media reporting multiple teams have reached out to Kugler to set up interviews, but Elway had denied the requests until the Broncos new HC has a chance to assess the current assistants. High chance the Bills are one of those teams. Guy was OL coach here back in 08. Born in Lockport, NY. Would he help our chances of landing Matt Paradis in FA? Kind of a bad look for Elway to be holding assistants hostage when they dont even have a HC. Really screws the coaches that the new coach decides he doesn't want, once all their other opportunities have been filled. Seems Elway is really making Denver an undesirable place to play/work. Anybody remember Kugler when he was here? I dont. Of course I remember him. I think he was the OL coach when Jauron / Gailey were HCs. I don’t think he was fired. After Gailey took over mid season, he left for The Steelers OL position. Thought he left for college - didn’t know he was the Denver OL coach. Though Lynch had 1000 yards with him twice, I felt he did not use him well enough. But he made Fred Jackson what he was - so all in all I felt good above him. I am all for hiring him. I mean he did outstandingly with Lindsay. Don’t blame Elway for not letting him interview. The guy is an OL specialist and every OL FA will want to play for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I think "Sean Kugler, Assistant Head Coach/Director of OL" sounds like a good title. Get 'er done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris from Rochester Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 This is why I don't like former great players as coaches/ FO guys for the teams they had success with. Feels like it can tarnish legacies. Imagine if Kelly was the GM in the height of the drought and flamed out. I much prefer the team ambassador/ media role for team legends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Dkollidas said: Does he run more of a zone blocking scheme with more mobile linemen (I would assume that if he was with Denver, they always seem to do a lot of that), or does he use more of a power scheme? Difficult to find that information, but he's coached under Steve Mariucci, Steve Fairlchild, Bruce Arians, and Bill Musgrave, who all run very different schemes. When he was head coach at UTEP, it seems like he ran a lot of power run. Watch some Will Hernandez highlights to get an idea. I do think we need to get back to power and gap scheme running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The word is that Mike Munchak is the front runner for the Denver HC job, and he is an OL coach. He may have his own ideas/philosophies and want to bring over his own assistant. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 11 hours ago, klos63 said: Possibly, other than Kugler, do we know of others with interview options? It's also possible some of these coaches are pretty happy to still have a chance to have a job with Denver next season. Either way, Elway doesn't want to lose good assistant coaches, can't fault him for that. Assistant coaches won't think twice to leave a team for another job, it works both ways. I think you are missing the point. Are you saying that an assistant coach could be fine with not being allowed interview for a job (a chance to have a job) because they have a chance to keep their current job? All I know is that I'd prefer to have the option of interviewing for a job and then finding out that I would be retained and turning down the first job. I would be very unhappy if I was not allowed to interview while there were openings and then told that I was no longer needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 How high would Buffalo be on his list. They dumped him last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How high would Buffalo be on his list. They dumped him last time. Different owners and organization. I think the point is not whether the Bills job would be attractive to him, but how a GM denying interviews impacts that teams reputation. If Kugler is not interested in a job he should be the one turning down the interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 What does he have to gain by allowing all of his coaches to leave for lateral positions on other teams? Block it if you can. That's why the rule is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I'd do the same if I were Elway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I think it’s fairly common to block until the new HC is hired, unless you really don’t want the guy. The new HC should have the opportunity to evaluate and decide if he wants to keep on staff if still under contract. Bills did this with Schwartz 15 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: Different owners and organization. I think the point is not whether the Bills job would be attractive to him, but how a GM denying interviews impacts that teams reputation. If Kugler is not interested in a job he should be the one turning down the interview. It is important to keep in mind that in some cases (not necessarily saying that it’s the case here) it will be reported that the team is blocking the interview— but the coach is actually not interested in the job, and doesn’t want to burn bridges by turning it down himself so the team says it is blocking it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I don't fault Elway for doing this. It's a shrewd move. When Chicago hired Matt Nagy, he retained Vic Fangio as the DC. Of course it's on Elway to make his head coaching decision in a timely manner. As an aside what Lynn Swann is doing to Kliff Kingsbury at USC is a different animal altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think it’s fairly common to block until the new HC is hired, unless you really don’t want the guy. The new HC should have the opportunity to evaluate and decide if he wants to keep on staff if still under contract. Bills did this with Schwartz It is important to keep in mind that in some cases (not necessarily saying that it’s the case here) it will be reported that the team is blocking the interview— but the coach is actually not interested in the job, and doesn’t want to burn bridges by turning it down himself so the team says it is blocking it. That is a fair point. It will be interesting to see if Kugler interviews anywhere else or if any Broncos assistants interview before a HC is named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: That is a fair point. It will be interesting to see if Kugler interviews anywhere else or if any Broncos assistants interview before a HC is named. Since he was blocked for multiple/all interviews (Bills were only one of the requests) it’s probably not the case here. Even if he didn’t want to work anywhere but Denver, he has no job security right now so makes no sense to turn down all of them. Edited January 7, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said: I think you are missing the point. Are you saying that an assistant coach could be fine with not being allowed interview for a job (a chance to have a job) because they have a chance to keep their current job? All I know is that I'd prefer to have the option of interviewing for a job and then finding out that I would be retained and turning down the first job. I would be very unhappy if I was not allowed to interview while there were openings and then told that I was no longer needed. My main point is that the assistants are under contract right now and Elway is doing what he thinks is in the best interests of the Broncos, as he should. We know sports are cutthroat businesses but this doesn't seem unusual or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 If he doesn't hire a new head coach quickly, there are two groups of people who are going to remember this, and react to it: potential assistant coaches, and opposing GMs. Potential assistant coaches will wonder if they could be held hostage in a head coaching change, and GMs will take it into consideration if Denver comes calling with requests to interview assistant coaches when they have a head coaching change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 15 hours ago, klos63 said: Are they still under contract with Denver? Seems like he's looking out for his teams best interests. Yes, they are under contract with the Broncos, and Elway is looking out for his teams best interests... well said 2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: I think you are missing the point. Are you saying that an assistant coach could be fine with not being allowed interview for a job (a chance to have a job) because they have a chance to keep their current job? All I know is that I'd prefer to have the option of interviewing for a job and then finding out that I would be retained and turning down the first job. I would be very unhappy if I was not allowed to interview while there were openings and then told that I was no longer needed. Sign a year to year contract for employment then... if you want the immediate flexability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, klos63 said: My main point is that the assistants are under contract right now and Elway is doing what he thinks is in the best interests of the Broncos, as he should. We know sports are cutthroat businesses but this doesn't seem unusual or wrong. 33 minutes ago, B-Large said: Yes, they are under contract with the Broncos, and Elway is looking out for his teams best interests... well said Sign a year to year contract for employment then... if you want the immediate flexability. I'm not disagreeing with either of you. Elway has the right to refuse interviews for any member of the Broncos staff that are under contract. My point is many organizations give their staff permission to interview with other teams even though they could refuse. With everything that's been going on in Denver (really since Manning retired) that organization's reputation seems to be lowering from top tier to average. The news reports about Denver are not what a GM should be hoping for and I am not sure that Elway's choices are helping the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Chris from Rochester said: This is why I don't like former great players as coaches/ FO guys for the teams they had success with. Feels like it can tarnish legacies. Imagine if Kelly was the GM in the height of the drought and flamed out. I much prefer the team ambassador/ media role for team legends I don't know about you, but if Jim Kelly was our GM and he signed Peyton Manning and we went to 2 SBs winning 1, I'd say he was doing a bang up job. Even if we had some down years after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: Different owners and organization. I think the point is not whether the Bills job would be attractive to him, but how a GM denying interviews impacts that teams reputation. If Kugler is not interested in a job he should be the one turning down the interview. It is no different than players under contract - you signed the contract and now you need to follow the obligations of that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Limeaid said: It is no different than players under contract - you signed the contract and now you need to follow the obligations of that contract. So the organization should too and not fire him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: It is no different than players under contract - you signed the contract and now you need to follow the obligations of that contract. Except there are separate rules around players and tampering than for coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 7:46 PM, fansince88 said: Dick Jauron Error Fixed. How I do miss having ol' Skeletor on the Bills sideline 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, WideNine said: Fixed. How I do miss having ol' Skeletor on the Bills sideline LOL. Thats too much! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Elway is not horsing around with his assistants. He's braying...er, saying 'neigh' to the rest of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, fansince88 said: LOL. Thats too much! Imagine a walk thru for him LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I wonder if Vic Fangio will have the authority to fire his assistants or let them go (Kugler, Kubiak, etc.)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Here's hoping Kubiak brings back a 77 year old Alex Gibbs to be his OL coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, N.Y. Orangeman said: Here's hoping Kubiak brings back a 77 year old Alex Gibbs to be his OL coach. His guys are Rick DDennison and Frank Pollack. I assume he goes after one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: His guys are Rick DDennison and Frank Pollack. I assume he goes after one of them. Rick Dennison going to Denver and letting Kugler come here would be a nice thank you from Denver for paying his contract when we hired him 2 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: His guys are Rick DDennison and Frank Pollack. I assume he goes after one of them. Agree. Gibbs likely retired, but Kubiak did take him to Houston and was his OL coach when he was OC in Denver. Very unlikely, but hey, this is the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 If they are able to bring in Kugler, than signing Matt Paradis will be a done deal, and he will most likely give us the edge due to familiarity with Kugler. We need Paradis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheBeaneBandit Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dammit!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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