Josh throws the ball out of the stadium. Do you think it happens ever?

[One Buffalo]

 

He talked about in the WGR interview here (skip to 11:53)

 

https://omny.fm/shows/howard-and-jeremy/playlists/podcast/embed?style=artwork&share=1&selectedClip=e7ab1d11-1af8-4886-a0e9-a9cb00f43f38

 

Sounds like he is definitely considering it, my guess is it happens at some point in time.  

[The Wiz]

10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

What if they toss it into the front row?

 

 Is that still a fine ?

 

I would imagine so.  The stands are the stands.

[Foxx]

55 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

Anyone that thinks he can do it is nuts.

 

Never, and I mean NEVER, could any human throw a football out of either endzone sides of the stadium.

i've heard it said that Josh could throw the ball 80 yards down the field.  for arguments sake, lets say he could throw it only 70 yards down the field. that is 210 feet. if the field is 50 feet below ground and the top of the sands is 60 feet above ground level that is 110 feet in toto. we must assume that throwing the ball almost straight up he would lose quite a bit of that 210 feet. would he lose 101 feet, i dunno. seems like a reasonable question and one that doesn't seem entirely unlikely.

 

i would say he could do it. i'm sure there is a formula to figure it.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Foxx

[gjv001]

Save the arm for more important passes. Like the one that wins the Super Bowl.

[Beast]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

i've heard it said that Josh could throw the ball 80 yards down the field.  for arguments sake, lets say he could throw it only 70 yards down the field. that is 210 feet. if the field is 50 feet below ground and the top of the sands is 60 feet above ground level that is 110 feet in toto. we must assume that throwing the ball almost straight up he would lose quite a bit of that 210 feet. would he lose 101 feet, i dunno. seems like a reasonable question and one that doesn't seem entirely unlikely.

 

i would say he could do it.

 

Nope. No way.

 

Jim Kelly heaved a ball one time behind the Bills bench and it went MAYBE two thirds of the way up the lower bowl.

 

I don’t think anyone really understand just how impossible that tnrow really is to make.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[GottaRun]

I want him to do it after we beat new england at home next season.  

[The Senator]

 

I think Josh could throw the ball from Orchard Park to the Peace Bridge! 

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[Foxx]

12 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Nope. No way.

 

Jim Kelly heaved a ball one time behind the Bills bench and it went MAYBE two thirds of the way up the lower bowl.

 

I don’t think anyone really understand just how impossible that tnrow really is to make.

you may be right after a bit of thinking and a brief search on the subject. i think the formula below is the correct one. i believe we would need to know the velocity of his throw.

 

Physics: Throwing a Football. Is it truly parabolic?

 

... UPDATE: Mathematical answer to your question.

We can use equations of projectile motion as follows.

Equation for the trajectory of a projectile motion:

y=xtanθ−g2u2cos2θx2y=xtan⁡θ−g2u2cos2⁡θx2

(yes it is an equation of parabola but I have mentioned earlier that the mathematical formula and calculations dealing with trajectories of object are approximated to parabola)

Now from your question we can have to situations:

CASE-1: When the object is thrown inclined at an angle θ1θ1 with a velocity uu

Then the maximum height the object will reach is given by:

h=u2sin2θ12gh=u2sin2⁡θ12g

Now if θ1=30∘θ1=30∘ and initial velocity u=100 m/su=100 m/s (just for consideration)

Then the maximum Height the object will reach is equal to:

h=127.55h=127.55 meters

Now using the same angle and velocity, if we calculate the maximum distance traveled(called the range of projectile) we have

Rmax=u2sin2θ1gRmax=u2sin⁡2θ1g

Now by plugging in the values, we have R=883.69R=883.69 meters

CASE-2: When the object is thrown at a higher angle than before but with same velocity.

Now say the angle θ2=60∘θ2=60∘ (Higher angle than before) and u=100 m/su=100 m/s

Then by using the same equation used before we have

h=382.65h=382.65 meters and R=441.83R=441.83 meters

RESULT:

We can clearly see that the maximum height in case-1 is less than that of case-2 and the maximum range in case-1 is higher than that of case-2

Which means the path in case-1 is less high and more far. But the path in case-2 is higher and less far. See the below image for more clarification.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Foxx

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

you may be right after a bit of thinking and a brief search on the subject. i think the formula below is the correct one. i believe we would need to know the velocity of his throw.

 

 

Well at the combine he hit 62mph so crunch your numbers with that.

[hemma]

Maybe chuck it into the Broadcast booth.

See if one of them soil themselves.

[Behindenemylines]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

 

sure throw it out of the stadium then bonks some unexpected person walking around perimeter. MAJOR LAWSUIT

It will never and should never happen.....  if it does its only asking for a possible regrettable situation

Let's try harder to suck the fun out of this post...ok??

[BuffaloBill]

3 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

So after watching the Kyle Williams mic'd up he made the comment after Josh ran the 30 yard touchdown that he thought he was gonna try to throw the ball out of the stadium.

 

So from the layout of the stadium I think the west end would probably be more ideal unless of course the wind was crazy. I think this would be awesome to see him do and it has obviously been talked about by his teammates.

 

I could see it definitely happen and will look forward to it when it does. I think the fans would go nuts and some lucky person outside will get a ball that could be a real collection item

 

 

 

 

 

I think not as the team would not want the hassle of some fan being hit with a ball they do not know is coming.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I think not as the team would not want the hassle of some fan being hit with a ball they do not know is coming.

 

I don’t know....I have seen some fans who deserved it! Like, if he could have hit that guy dropping out of the upper deck....that would have been a great trick shot. Instant Legend material! Like hitting the little ducks at the county fair, and that dude deserved it! 

[PromoTheRobot]

I don't think it's possible. And I hope he doesn't tear something trying.

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

Well at the combine he hit 62mph so crunch your numbers with that.

i am not smart enough to calculate the equation. however, until someone that can comes along... looking around.... 62mph equals 27.7165 meters/second and 110 feet equals 33.528 meters. according to Quora, a ball thrown upward with an initial velocity of 30 m/s can achieve a height of 45.918 meters. this would seem to say that it is quite possible. hopefully someone here will do the correct calculation.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Foxx

[TPS]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I don't think it's possible. And I hope he doesn't tear something trying.

That's what I was thinking. By letting it rip, he just might rip his rotator....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

Start the go fund me page now to entice Josh to try haha

 

 

I don't think Josh needs to be enticed.  He's been recorded asking Daboll if Daboll thought he could throw the ball over (some sign on the upper deck): "when I run for a TD, I'm gonna throw it over there".

 

Daboll was unimpressed: "How about we focus on getting through this practice?"

 

I guess I'm an old fogy officially, but I'd rather he save "letting 'er rip" for the game.

[The Wiz]

38 minutes ago, Foxx said:

i am not smart enough to calculate the equation. however, until someone that can comes along... looking around.... 62mph equals 27.7165 meters/second and 110 feet equals 33.528 meters. according to Quora, a ball thrown upward with an initial velocity of 30 m/s can achieve a height of 45.918 meters. this would seem to say that it is quite possible. hopefully someone here will do the correct calculation.

I actually just found this and it looks possible if you ask me.

 

http://www.convertalot.com/ballistic_trajectory_calculator.html

 

m/s = 27.7 = 62mph

degrees = 60

 

Results:

Range: 67m   ~74yards

height: 29.3m   ~96ft

 

 

This obviously doesn't account for wind speed and other outside factors.  I also used y0 as 0 which would assume the ball is being throw from the field and not from Allen's hand which you could probably call 1.75m which would be around 5 1/2 feet off the ground.

 

So at the apex of flight it would be around 38 yards traveled. 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2019 by The Wiz

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

2 hours ago, eSJayDee said:

 

Actually, did you know that much of The Natural was filmed at the old War Memorial.  Apparently, at the time, it was one of the few stadiums still around that retained that era's appearance.

That, and it wasn't being used by anyone at the time as opposed to the older major league stadiums. 
One scene where everyone is in white shirts in the stands many of the 'fans' are cardboard cutouts.  I knew some people who went as extras and they said they were among the cutouts.

The Rockpile was a great backdrop for the film.  

[Just Joshin']

He could if the Bills get a real QB coach.

[Foxx]

10 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I actually just found this and it looks possible if you ask me.

 

http://www.convertalot.com/ballistic_trajectory_calculator.html

 

m/s = 27.7 = 62mph

degrees = 60

 

Results:

Range: 67m   ~74yards

height: 29.3m   ~96ft

 

 

This obviously doesn't account for wind speed and other outside factors.  I also used y0 as 0 which would assume the ball is being throw from the field and not from Allen's hand which you could probably call 1.75m which would be around 5 1/2 feet off the ground.

 

So at the apex of flight it would be around 38 yards traveled. 

 

 

kudos. i could not find something like that and i looked. i found a calculus calculator but couldn't figure out how to get the h= formula into it.

[The Wiz]

Just now, Foxx said:

kudos. i could not find something like that and i looked. i found a calculus calculator but couldn't figure out how to get the h= formula into it.

I also used googles range calculator http://www.mapdevelopers.com/distance_finder.php and zoomed in on new era to get the approximate range from the ground to behind the top row at the west end.  It looks like its about 154 feet.  So that is around 50 yards it would need to travel above (I'm going to guess 80ft above ground level) to make it out of the stadium or at least on to the part of the building that is there.

 

 

[Golden Goat]

4 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Great...I am about to go have an outpatient procedure done and this is the only thing I'm thinking about.

 

I'll ask my doctor what she thinks.

 

What'd she say?

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Golden Goat said:

 

What'd she say?

That he's not gonna have any more kids afterwards.

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I also used googles range calculator http://www.mapdevelopers.com/distance_finder.php and zoomed in on new era to get the approximate range from the ground to behind the top row at the west end.  It looks like its about 154 feet.  So that is around 50 yards it would need to travel above (I'm going to guess 80ft above ground level) to make it out of the stadium or at least on to the part of the building that is there.

 

 

you the man. i'm guessing he would have to try another part of the stadium as 50 yards may be too much. 60 degree trajectory angle gets him to a height of 29.36561 meters/96.343864829 feet. even if he were to throw it at an 80 degree angle, he only gets it to 38.85673 meters/127.48270997 feet. any way you slice it, it will be hard to do.

[Golden Goat]

No. This is the Buffalo Bills we're talking about. It has "torn rotator cuff" written all over it.

 

[The Wiz]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

you the man. i'm guessing he would have to try another part of the stadium as 50 yards may be too much. 60 degree trajectory angle gets him to a height of 29.36561 meters/96.343864829 feet. even if he were to throw it at an 80 degree angle, he only gets it to 38.85673 meters/127.48270997 feet. any way you slice it, it will be hard to do.

Yea the only thing I can think of is maybe if he did it from the tunnel but then you have the suite area/broadcast booths? that is probably around 90ft instead of 80 but the distance it needs to travel is about 5-6 yards less.

 

I know there is a way to figure out the height of the object at a specific time of flight but I haven't found that yet.

Edited January 4, 2019 by The Wiz

[GoodHands15]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

 

sure throw it out of the stadium then bonks some unexpected person walking around perimeter. MAJOR LAWSUIT

It will never and should never happen.....  if it does its only asking for a possible regrettable situation

False.

 

while unnecessary risks are highly unnecessary and not to be encouraged.

 

You have to throw ball out of stadium 1 time.

 

Also we could get a warning horn

 

Which would be awesome

[McNubbins]

4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

I think he would of tried if that score was in the west endzone

Yeah and what if he didn't make it?  It'd be a black mark on Kyle's last game.

[Foxx]

10 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Yea the only thing I can think of is maybe if he did it from the tunnel but then you have the suite area/broadcast booths? that is probably around 90ft instead of 80 but the distance it needs to travel is about 5-6 yards less.

 

I know there is a way to figure out the height of the object at a specific time of flight but I haven't found that yet.

if you read the Quora link i posted, a few of the responses go into the height at second intervals and i think they give a formula for that equation as well..

Edited January 4, 2019 by Foxx

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

if you read the Quora link i posted, a few of the responses go into the height at second intervals and i think they give a formula for that equation as well..

Yea it's ht = - 16t x vt or something like that. 

 

I did enough math today to last me a while so I'll just say that it's plausible that he could do it. 

[gobills1212]

4 hours ago, eSJayDee said:

So he's got to throw the thing 110' up & do so at a considerable distance away?  Don't think it can be done.

110' is the apex of a good punt; he might be able to do that (though I'm skeptical), but I doubt he could achieve that hgt at a significant distance.

I've (obviously) never been down on the field & it's been a number of years since my last time at the stadium, but I'm roughly guessing maybe 50 yds plus?

You do know he can throw farther than 50 yrds, ya?

[machine gun kelly]

I seriously doubt he would ever do that as he would at least be fined and possibly suspended.  He does not come across as a dumb kid.  I wouldn’t want him to even try due to a possible injury to a fan.

[row_33]

Has anyone tried it before and how close did they come to accomplishing it?

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

More likely to break the glass. Also it hit a drunk being thrown out. Yikes. 

[Foxx]

12 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Has anyone tried it before and how close did they come to accomplishing it?

 

 

Beast says Kelly threw one up into the stands and it went maybe two thirds of the way up the lower bowl.

Edited January 5, 2019 by Foxx

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

I seriously doubt he would ever do that as he would at least be fined and possibly suspended.  He does not come across as a dumb kid.  I wouldn’t want him to even try due to a possible injury to a fan.

Suspension and hitting a fan (he did once say he could probably kill somebody throwing the football) are probably why he hasn't tried yet.

[Beast]

Go to 1:59:10 of this video and continue to watch  until the end and it may give some an idea just how impossible the task would be. Kelly throws multiple balls up into the stands but it will give you a bit of an idea.

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[Beast]

http://buffalobills.io-media.com/web/index.html

 

From the wall to the end of the stadium, in the endzone, looks to be approximately 55-60 yards.....then, add the height to it.

 

Impossible.

[row_33]

59 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

http://buffalobills.io-media.com/web/index.html

 

From the wall to the end of the stadium, in the endzone, looks to be approximately 55-60 yards.....then, add the height to it.

 

Impossible.

 

Something a young man thinks about, then after a few seasons he starts thinking how quick he can get back to the locker room and encase himself in ice