BillyWhiteShows Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Kinda hate to see a guy make that many excuses after getting let go. Same here... He’s probably trying to prop himself up publicly to make a case for another coaching job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Only 6 teams had a lower YPC than Buffalo's 4.2, and that's factoring in Allen's 631 yards on 89 carries (average of 7.1). That's a pretty horrendous run game. Yeh the lesson of 2013: #2 in rush yards, #1 in rush attempts, #14 in rush YPA...not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 12:44 PM, Scott7975 said: Maybe it’s just me but it seemed like Groy did pretty well while Wood was injured that partial year. Perhaps they thought they were fine. Yes and many who claim to be OL couch experts stated he was better than Wood and most speculation was whether Groy would be on line as center or guard. On 1/2/2019 at 12:48 PM, Capco said: Is it likely that a new OL coach is hired before any personnel decisions are made? Possibly the recently fire OL coach was the first hire Coach McD made before even OC. I am surprised he was fired and not "promoted" to offense assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 1:57 PM, stevewin said: Yeah - in the KB case I was mostly thinking of just friendly connections they might still have in the building not necessarily affiliated with the coaching staff or management - equipment guys, secretaries, ball boys etc etc - just people they might have known (friends essentially) who might have been observers on what was going on in the building in an unofficial sense. Those type of friends when caught should be fired with cause. The Bills were very leaky for a while with one employee giving media inside information, some of it was wrong so likely from garbage cans, but the Bills seemed to have sealed the leaks at the same time they fired some internal, non-coaching personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Those type of friends when caught should be fired with cause. The Bills were very leaky for a while with one employee giving media inside information, some of it was wrong so likely from garbage cans, but the Bills seemed to have sealed the leaks at the same time they fired some internal, non-coaching personnel. I get what you are saying - but was really thinking of more informal conversational things between friends ("KB's still lazy") - not direct espionage (or even necessarily inquiries for that matter) Edited January 4, 2019 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: man... after reading the article I say hire the man back! I felt the same. Imagine how McD felt ? But this is a good and wise business decision. They are pros and know the game is about production. Sounds overstated, but true so much so in the NFL. They need some one who can coordinate the run game. Not just develop players. i thought gee whiz maybe they could offer him an assistant o line Coach position after he sees what his worth is on the market after reading the article and quotes but thats just me being weak Bring back the Deck Chair Tossing Guy !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I didn't like letting Kromer go and you could tell the line regressed even when Juan had the talent. Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, NickelCity said: I didn't like letting Kromer go and you could tell the line regressed even when Juan had the talent. Bye. I am still pissed about letting Joe D' go ! don't get me started about Aaron K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Only 6 teams had a lower YPC than Buffalo's 4.2, and that's factoring in Allen's 631 yards on 89 carries (average of 7.1). That's a pretty horrendous run game. The Ravens, factoring in their QBs 700 yards rushing, are averaging only 4.5 yards a carry. Anyone calling that rushing offense horrendous? Nope, they are calling it the 2ndbest in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Tl/Dr The run game never coming together is why he got canned, not jus the jailhouse break sacks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The Ravens, factoring in their QBs 700 yards rushing, are averaging only 4.5 yards a carry. Anyone calling that rushing offense horrendous? Nope, they are calling it the 2ndbest in the league Then "they" aren't really evaluating it critically now, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 First, I'm not so sure it's a great idea career-wise to do what Juan Castillo did in that article. Secondly, the run game coordinator for a running game as putrid as the 2018 Bills' takes zero blame and doesn't think it was fair that he was fired? Really?! The guy has some legitimate complaints, but also seems to severely lack self awareness and accountability. Onward and upward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Read the article on the News and it was sad to see he was heartbroken but he also had a lot of excuses . He was dealt a bad hand but having Dawkins regress was the clincher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Obviously that included assets. As I said, those assets could've been FUTURE UNKNOWN draft picks rather than a ESTABLISHED, GOOD NFL Player in Glenn. He plays a pretty significant position in LT as well. Your kidding yourself or simply making excuses for the trade if you think trading up couldn't have happened without trading Glenn. Now the Bills are talking about moving Dawkins who struggled at the position. Guna be hard to find a bonafide LT in FA/the draft. While it's not a terrible thing, they seem to value their former players, draft picks and scouting way too much, IMO. Indeed! LTs don’t grow on trees and teams rarely let go of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 What PFF had to say about Glenn this season... for what its worth... "Glenn had the lowest-graded season of his career at 60.9 overall, and he gave up a career-high 36 pressures." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: What PFF had to say about Glenn this season... for what its worth... "Glenn had the lowest-graded season of his career at 60.9 overall, and he gave up a career-high 36 pressures." Shows Kromer is a hell of a O-Line coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: What PFF had to say about Glenn this season... for what its worth... "Glenn had the lowest-graded season of his career at 60.9 overall, and he gave up a career-high 36 pressures." Indeed. Glenn is not the Glenn who had a great start to his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Shows Kromer is a hell of a O-Line coach Need to bring him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: What was Dawkins ranked? Honestly not sure. I pulled that from an overall offensive line ranking not individual rankings. I don't have a subscription so the best I could find for individual scores were for after week 5 where Dawkins was rated about 10 points higher than Glenn, but I don't feel its fair after only 5 weeks. A lot of stuff happens over the coarse of a season. If someone can find it, I would love to see an end of season individual scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Dawkins was rated 69.2 by PFF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Obviously that included assets. As I said, those assets could've been FUTURE UNKNOWN draft picks rather than a ESTABLISHED, GOOD NFL Player in Glenn. He plays a pretty significant position in LT as well. Your kidding yourself or simply making excuses for the trade if you think trading up couldn't have happened without trading Glenn. Now the Bills are talking about moving Dawkins who struggled at the position. Guna be hard to find a bonafide LT in FA/the draft. While it's not a terrible thing, they seem to value their former players, draft picks and scouting way too much, IMO. Id say they are better with Allen, and both Glenn, and Dawkins as your starting tackles, minus a 2nd or 3rd rounder this year..... one less hole to fill and you know what your getting with Glenn. A very good starting LT. There's no way that Bengals swap picks in the 2018 draft only to come away with a 2nd rounder this year. It would have cost Bills their 1st and 2nd round picks in the '18 draft, which Beane was not going to do. Dawkins' adequate play, Glenn's contract and health made him expendable. Wait until next year to see how durable Glenn will be as his nagging injuries continue to add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: His contract? The Bills have over $90 million in cap space. His contract isn't an issue. Again, he had a significant foot injury that required surgery. He played in 13 games this year following the surgery last year. Glenn and Dawkins as your tackles> unknown 2nd round pick. Contract taking into account his health. Bills concern with Glenn was the accumulation of ailments that affect his game status. It's not the same as a freak injury like a broken bone or knee tear. For Glenn, it's been his ankle, foot, shoulder and lately back. Those start to add up and I'm sure that Bengals are now also worried about Glenn's long term availability. Glenn is by no means a decade long option at LT for them, just like he was no longer that option for the Bills and that's why he was the ideal trade bait. Edited January 4, 2019 by GG 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 This guy wasn’t close to as bad as some fans want to think he is. He’s very replaceable but he had ? to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This guy wasn’t close to as bad as some fans want to think he is. He’s very replaceable but he had ? to work with. I don't know. I think he had a better line last season in terms of personnel, and the run game still fell off a lot from the year before. This year was obviously worse, and I can't tell if it's Daboll's offense or Castillo's schemes but they're clearly not in sync 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Are there any names being bandied about? I honestly don't much care about receivers or ST coach, but this is a huge position and we need to get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 To continue with ex-Bills, two names come to mind, Ruben Brown or Eric Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Ok while I was commenting in the receiver coach post I was talking about Raheem Morris and brought up Kyle Flood. As I'm thinking about it, Kyle Flood would be a good fit as an offensive line coach. He was the head coach at Rutgers for a bit and work on those Greg Schiano teams. He has no Daboll connection, but he coached Bill Belicheck's son at Rutgers. He's currently the assistant offensive line coach in Atlanta, and McDermott and Dan Quinn are pretty tight, so if Quinn and Belicheck would recommend Flood, it would be hard to turn down. Kyle Flood is a good coach who struggled recruiting and got a bad rap because his kids on his teams got in lots of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabills21 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 15 hours ago, ScottLaw said: His contract? The Bills have over $90 million in cap space. His contract isn't an issue. Again, he had a significant foot injury that required surgery. He played in 13 games this year following the surgery last year. Glenn and Dawkins as your tackles> unknown 2nd round pick. I was a big Glenn fan myself, but he has had some misfortuane with injuries. Speaking of Dawkins at right tackle, that will be a curious possibility. I seem to recall that he initially struggled there, when Buffalo opened OTAs and camp in his rookie year. But with a new offensive approach and new line coach, it's something thatbim sure they will consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I think Dawkins is better suited on the inside. Preferably LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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