Josh Allen: NBC Sports Boston Reporter Shares The “Blueprint” To Beat Him

[That_Guy]

joke's on them cause you can't contain him

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

My God if you analyzed every QB like that they would all be franchise QBs, NFL is a game of inches, you either get it done or you dont.

 

And to quote you, "Allen had a couple he got away with, but let's chalk that up to his inexperience. "  Doesnt matter why, results matter, he isnt going to be that much more experienced a week later.

 

I stand by my point 13 points versus the Pats in Foxboro. odds of us winning that are 1%.  I think the much maligned reporter in this thread is correct, keep J Allen in the pocket to win.

 

He's not a franchise QB yet. He's still developing with plenty of positive signs that he could be.  The immediacy of this week's upcoming game is something I'm looking beyond even if others such as you are not. It's another opportunity to face a challenge that he'll learn from to his benefit in the long run whether they win or not. 

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/josh-allen-stat-gives-patriots-blueprint-beat-bills-week-16

 

This morning, I came across this article from NBC Sports Boston.  I was trying to find news on Josh Allen and saw a headline about a a “blueprint” to beat Josh Allen.  

 

It’s clear that the author of this article hasn’t watch any Bills games, outside of the highlights on ESPN.

 

He says the Patriots need to keep Josh Allen in the pocket because he’s among one of the lowest ranked among passers.

 

What he fails to mention is that this was the same strategy employed by former Patriots DC Matt Patricia last week.  It didn’t really work and Allen was steady and competent, though not great, when passing from the pocket.  

 

This is a common problem I have seen as a Bills fan - most people outside of Buffalo really don’t have a good grasp of what’s going on.  They read stats/ or watch highlights but have zero context.  

 

 

 

 

The Bills scored 14 points at home last week against an average defense. That's actually not impressive. 

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Max Kellerman said on First Take the other day, when discussing the Pats never having to deal with QB's in the AFCE,  "Sam Darnold is still a baby and the Jets and Bills don't have QB's."

 

I don't mind criticism, and Allen deserves some - he needs to work on his accuracy/touch and hitting his checkdowns, but it's really obnoxious that these people make comments like this and clearly don't watch Josh Allen or the Buffalo Bills.

 

There's a reason why the actual NFL guys, who watch tape and delve into analytics, like Josh Allen.  There's also a reason why lazy ESPN types parrot the false narrative that he's a runner who can't throw. 

 

I cannot wait to get some OL & WR upgrades for next year so JA can shut these clowns up.

 

 

Expecting solid Bills analysis from ESPN is like expecting a good ribeye from McDonalds. Both give you nothing but heartburn. ?

Edited December 20, 2018 by WotAGuy

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He's not a franchise QB yet. He's still developing with plenty of positive signs that he could be.  The immediacy of this week's upcoming game is something I'm looking beyond even if others such as you are not. It's another opportunity to face a challenge that he'll learn from to his benefit in the long run whether they win or not. 

 

 

You cant follow what i am saying and you make this inn accurate assumptions.

 

The discussion was how to contain Allen, this week for the PAts, not if Allen would be a future franchise QB, just what he is now.  And when did I ever say i wasnt looking forward to this game, I very much am.

[John from Riverside]

So.....we actually have a different QB then last year

 

PLEASE do things to keep him in the pocket......please

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

You cant follow what i am saying and you make this inn accurate assumptions.

 

The discussion was how to contain Allen, this week for the PAts, not if Allen would be a future franchise QB, just what he is now.  And when did I ever say i wasnt looking forward to this game, I very much am.

 

Your words: My God if you analyzed every QB like that they would all be franchise QBs, NFL is a game of inches, you either get it done or you dont.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Your words: My God if you analyzed every QB like that they would all be franchise QBs, NFL is a game of inches, you either get it done or you dont.

Yes and what is your point?  I stand by it,    Says nothing about Allen not being able to eventualy be a franchise QB.

[PatsFanNH]

31 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Beyond the stats,  consider the following:

 

43 yard PI call on a beautifully thrown ball to Foster to set up the 1st TD that was run in by Allen. The narrow miss on the deep pass to Deonte Thompson that was a great throw and read by Allen.  The intermediate throw to Zay Jones OTM that was a tad high, but I consider it a dropped pass. Again a great read.  Zay also had at least one other pass he could have come down with.  Allen had a couple he got away with, but let's chalk that up to his inexperience.  Allen had a good day in the pocket with the Lions' D limiting opportunities to extend plays to either throw or make plays with his legs.  It was a good day for Allen on the progress and growth chart.

 

The NE offense isn't some juggernaut these days and losing Gordon won't help their cause.

No it is not, but it is a totally different animal (usually) at home.. add in they are angry and I don’t think 14 points wins the game.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Yes and what is your point?  I stand by it,    Says nothing about Allen not being able to eventualy be a franchise QB.

 

The point is your immediate focus on results isn't what's most important as I already said. 

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The Bills OL is a weakness.......their receiving corps is not good...........their running backs have been ineffective all season.

 

It's dumb for a team to let Allen run for 100 yards and sustain drives all day.

 

Keep the spy in.......contain him.......use that gap integrity to stuff the running game and make Zay Jones,  Robert Foster and Deonte Thompson beat you.

 

My guess is Gilmore will be on Foster Sunday...........Zay has not been able to get open now that he's been getting more attention the past two weeks..........but I think Belichick will try to take away Foster and take his chances with Jones and Thompson.

I doubt that Pats play much man to man with Gilmore in match up.  Why?  Daboll has been running patterns at single deep safety (man coverage pkg) and beating it with deep throwback pattern by running 2 verticals at safety (think touchdown this past week).  The cover CB has to chase Foster across the whole field.  Billy Boy likely dials up zone coverages and forces Josh to throw into windows.  Also forces relatively inexperienced and familiar receivers to know when to sit down in pockets etc and causes miscommunication with Josh.  I hope they put Gilmore on Foster because Gilmore is slow and has trouble with deep ball.

 

And the Patriots are wicked slow (see what I did there) at LB position - can't wait to see who they put as the spy.  If they play Man  D with a Spy Josh will go off big time

Edited December 20, 2018 by freddyjj

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

No it is not, but it is a totally different animal (usually) at home.. add in they are angry and I don’t think 14 points wins the game.

 

The Patriots defense is not a great unit by any objective measure.

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The Patriots defense is not a great unit by any objective measure.

You know, I can’t figure that D out? One week they stink beyond all stinkage.. (at Miami) next week they shut down two of the best WR in the NFL in JuJu and Brown.  I honestly have no idea which D will show up this week..

[Charles Romes]

It's an awesome sign that people are thinking in terms of a blueprint to beat Josh Allen when he has no receivers, oline, or run game.  You don't see too many articles about blueprints to beat Josh Rosen. 

[Captain_Quint]

I think the way to beat him right now is relentless pressure and blitzing while using a spy in case he runs. One aspect of his game he needs to work on is a 3 step drop where hes throwing quick slants. I think that they will not give up the run or the long pass, but will try to pressure him.

 

We have a weak oline and no running backs. It's in Allen's best interest to develop his 'quick hit' game early on to get them to back off. 

[wppete]

Nonsense!

[4thandGoal]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I was pleased with Allen's progress last week...........but they only scored 14 points.

 

At this point the blueprint is accurate.

 

There are going to be drives where Allen is inaccurate from the pocket and there are going to be drives where receivers don't make plays.

 

If you let him run you allow the Bills to move the chains more.......possibly lose field position battles all day.........and at worst get nickeled and dimed with field goals on drives that are otherwise 3 and outs.

 

It's wise to make him beat you from the pocket and it's also in the best interest of the Bills and Josh Allen to get THIS kind of experience.

 

 

totally agree---

If they keep Allen in the pocket--- he will be forced into some turnovers , some bad throws, some bad reads

[offsides#76FredSmerlas]

3 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/josh-allen-stat-gives-patriots-blueprint-beat-bills-week-16

 

This morning, I came across this article from NBC Sports Boston.  I was trying to find news on Josh Allen and saw a headline about a a “blueprint” to beat Josh Allen.  

 

It’s clear that the author of this article hasn’t watch any Bills games, outside of the highlights on ESPN.

 

He says the Patriots need to keep Josh Allen in the pocket because he’s among one of the lowest ranked among passers.

 

What he fails to mention is that this was the same strategy employed by former Patriots DC Matt Patricia last week.  It didn’t really work and Allen was steady and competent, though not great, when passing from the pocket.  

 

This is a common problem I have seen as a Bills fan - most people outside of Buffalo really don’t have a good grasp of what’s going on.  They read stats/ or watch highlights but have zero context.  

 

 

 

I wouldn't say that Detroit did a bad job.  Anytime you keep a team to 14 points in the NFL you should win.  If we score 14 against the Pats I would think were in a lot of trouble.

 

[BuffaloBill]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

I'm really hoping to see a big game from Zay before this season ends.  He's quickly losing my interest as I'd much rather see Allen targeting Foster and McKenzie.   I agree that Foster has emerged as the guy teams will slide coverage to. 

 

One thing is for sure, this is about as excited as I can ever imagine myself getting for a game where we're wildly out of playoff contention.

 

 

 

Zay is being asked to play a #1 or #2 role and he is suited for neither.  He should be a #3 in the slot.  Foster is probably well suited for a #2 so the Bills will need to figure out the #1 between FA and the draft.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

No it is not, but it is a totally different animal (usually) at home.. add in they are angry and I don’t think 14 points wins the game.

11 would have got it done last week.

[C.Biscuit97]

It’s funny how much people bashed Gilmore here and now he is one of the best cbs in the nfl.  Almost like Belichick knows more than bitter Bills fans. ?

[GoBills808]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s funny how much people bashed Gilmore here and now he is one of the best cbs in the nfl.  Almost like Belichick knows more than bitter Bills fans. ?

Luckily we have a much better corner in White.

[C.Biscuit97]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Zay is being asked to play a #1 or #2 role and he is suited for neither.  He should be a #3 in the slot.  Foster is probably well suited for a #2 so the Bills will need to figure out the #1 between FA and the draft.

Good thing we traded up for him then.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

You know, I can’t figure that D out? One week they stink beyond all stinkage.. (at Miami) next week they shut down two of the best WR in the NFL in JuJu and Brown.  I honestly have no idea which D will show up this week..

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Luckily we have a much better corner in White.

Much better??? Hyperbole but White is a very good player in his own right and much cheaper.  Main point was that Gilmore was always pretty good and people just bashed him.

[GoBills808]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Much better??? Hyperbole but White is a very good player in his own right and much cheaper.  Main point was that Gilmore was always pretty good and people just bashed him.

Saying White is much better than Gilmore isn't hyperbole at all. Gilmore is serviceable, White is elite.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Saying White is much better than Gilmore isn't hyperbole at all. Gilmore is serviceable, White is elite.

Holy homer alert!!!  You realized Gilmore made the pro bowl right and is ranked as the top corner in the league?  https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/stephon-gilmore/7016

 

just because you’re a Bills fan doesn’t mean you can’t give another player props.

 

 

[GoBills808]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Holy homer alert!!!  You realized Gilmore made the pro bowl right and is ranked as the top corner in the league?  https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/stephon-gilmore/7016

 

just because you’re a Bills fan doesn’t mean you can’t give another player props.

 

 

Ah the Pro Bowl and PFF...the last vestiges of the ill-informed fan. 

[BillsSB2020]

I like White as much as the next guy but Gilmore has been superior this season. Tre looks more committed to the team and that's a positive going forward, but PFF is most certainly a valuable tool. It's not the be all end all, but it paints a picture.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

I like White as much as the next guy but Gilmore has been superior this season. Tre looks more committed to the team and that's a positive going forward, but PFF is most certainly a valuable tool. It's not the be all end all, but it paints a picture.

Maybe it can paint why Gilmore was lined up against Rogers and Washington half the time in the Steelers game, their 3rd and 4th options behind Brown and Schuster Smith...and still gave up plays. 

[dakrider]

I was watching an NFL show last night, which I don't usually watch (not sure on name but was 3 white guys and a black woman going thru and talking about each team) 

This guy at the end brought up Allen's stats and comp. % thus far and just criticized the fact its low.  Nothing else about Allen or the team.  

I agree overall that Allen comp. % does need to be higher, but he's not likely to be a 65% comp. pct. passer.   The stat that is more important is team 3rd down comp. %.  

As far as keeping him in the pocket, I think he can succeed fine in that scenario.  The biggest factor, like all quarterbacks is time.  Actually I like the fact that they will try to contain him which will help get him to make a quicker play.  His biggest reason to roll out is to extend plays and find an open receiver.  I would like to see Allen connect with the Bills receivers on those quick passes more.   To succeed I think he needs to do both,  play in the pocket and do roll outs.  As well as run if there's an open field in front of you. 

This game will be more good experience.   And you can bet the Pats want to win this game so their not going to hold back. 

Edited December 20, 2018 by dakrider

[C.Biscuit97]

27 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Ah the Pro Bowl and PFF...the last vestiges of the ill-informed fan. 

Just stop, you won’t lose your homer card. White and Gilmore are both very good players. 

[billsfan_34]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

Max Kellerman said on First Take the other day, when discussing the Pats never having to deal with QB's in the AFCE,  "Sam Darnold is still a baby and the Jets and Bills don't have QB's."

 

I don't mind criticism, and Allen deserves some - he needs to work on his accuracy/touch and hitting his checkdowns, but it's really obnoxious that these people make comments like this and clearly don't watch Josh Allen or the Buffalo Bills.

 

There's a reason why the actual NFL guys, who watch tape and delve into analytics, like Josh Allen.  There's also a reason why lazy ESPN types parrot the false narrative that he's a runner who can't throw. 

 

I cannot wait to get some OL & WR upgrades for next year so JA can shut these clowns up.

 

 

Im also willing to bet Max Kellerman has never played a down of football in his life- alot of talk and thats it. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Just stop, you won’t lose your homer card. White and Gilmore are both very good players. 

Tell me again how Gilmore is better than White because of the Pro Bowl.

[Ol Dirty B]

5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Meh. It's exactly what Matt Patricia did last week and Allen made plenty of plays from the pocket.  They made him "Be a Quarterback" and he was just that. 

 

I don't mean to dampen everyone's optimism. But the guy led the offense to 13 points, 200 yards, and like 50% completion percentage. People think that will beat the Pats?

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said:

Im also willing to bet Max Kellerman has never played a down of football in his life- alot of talk and thats it. 

What does that have to do with anything?  How many downs of football did Adam Scheftner played?  I will put that amount of downs of football I played against almost anyone on this board.  Is my opinion more valid?

 

someone could be wrong in their opinion or you may not agree, but it’s a weird way to criticize someone.  Terry Bradshaw is one of the dumbest football commentators on television and he played a ton of football. Dick Jauron was a pro bowler nfl player in his day so I guess he knows more than Belichick, who played D3 football?

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I don't mean to dampen everyone's optimism. But the guy led the offense to 13 points, 200 yards, and like 50% completion percentage. People think that will beat the Pats?

 

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Beyond the stats,  consider the following:

 

43 yard PI call on a beautifully thrown ball to Foster to set up the 1st TD that was run in by Allen. The narrow miss on the deep pass to Deonte Thompson that was a great throw and read by Allen.  The intermediate throw to Zay Jones OTM that was a tad high, but I consider it a dropped pass. Again a great read.  Zay also had at least one other pass he could have come down with.  Allen had a couple he got away with, but let's chalk that up to his inexperience.  Allen had a good day in the pocket with the Lions' D limiting opportunities to extend plays to either throw or make plays with his legs.  It was a good day for Allen on the progress and growth chart.

 

The NE offense isn't some juggernaut these days and losing Gordon won't help their cause.

 

14 points to be correct. I don't know what will beat the Pats, but I'm looking for continued improvement from Allen as he gains more experience as the more important thing in the long run with victory over NE not exactly the expectation. 

[billsfan_34]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

What does that have to do with anything?  How many downs of football did Adam Scheftner played?  I will put that amount of downs of football I played against almost anyone on this board.  Is my opinion more valid?

 

someone could be wrong in their opinion or you may not agree, but it’s a weird way to criticize someone.  Terry Bradshaw is one of the dumbest football commentators on television and he played a ton of football. Dick Jauron was a pro bowler nfl player in his day so I guess he knows more than Belichick, who played D3 football?

Kellerman wasnt really stating an opinion-  calling new NFL qb’s baby’s is really just weak journalism. I just find it funny coming from someone that would probably cry from a paper cut. Im not here to pick a fight- really dont like Kellerman thats all- he always has some stupid stuff to say.

[WideNine]

Thanks for sharing this.

 

I have to think that any team that uses some kind of aggregate numbers method to determine how to beat rookie QB's would be pretty narrow-minded. Most all of these QB's have learned and gotten a bit better over the season - perhaps Allen and Dalton the most. Belichick is not dumb, he isn't watching Allen's first NFL games, he is watching his last few games and knows that he can hit throws from the pocket.

 

Ol' Bill was a bit overly generous heaping praise on the Bills receiving core and Tight Ends, knowing him he was giggling inside, but we do have some of our young WR talent stepping up. Croom can't block a breeze, but is starting to show some clutch grabs.

 

If there is anything I think the Patriots will take out of watching film of the Bills it is that our line has been pretty susceptible to stunts, twists, and delayed blitzes. So he may elect to send guys after Josh but be sure to have his outside rushers play disciplined to not lose contain and ensure he cannot escape the pocket. I think sometimes folks may also underestimate how hard Josh can be to bring down with a smaller corner or safety... he has shown that he can stiff-arm or shed that first guy so we will see.

 

It will be an interesting match-up and if Josh stays healthy he should learn a lot from it.

[Mango]

5 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/josh-allen-stat-gives-patriots-blueprint-beat-bills-week-16

 

This morning, I came across this article from NBC Sports Boston.  I was trying to find news on Josh Allen and saw a headline about a a “blueprint” to beat Josh Allen.  

 

It’s clear that the author of this article hasn’t watch any Bills games, outside of the highlights on ESPN.

 

He says the Patriots need to keep Josh Allen in the pocket because he’s among one of the lowest ranked among passers.

 

What he fails to mention is that this was the same strategy employed by former Patriots DC Matt Patricia last week.  It didn’t really work and Allen was steady and competent, though not great, when passing from the pocket.  

 

This is a common problem I have seen as a Bills fan - most people outside of Buffalo really don’t have a good grasp of what’s going on.  They read stats/ or watch highlights but have zero context.  

 

 

 

 

 

The Bills scored 14 points....

 

If the Pats do this, and hold us to 14, they’ll most like beat us.

 

We threw for about 200 yards and ran for about 100, against a pretty bad defense. Let’s not pretend we were prolific against a top D, just because we won last week.

 

This is the way I would play JA until he consistently proves the league wrong on it. 

 

Before  everybody gets all up in arms because I said something other than total praise and perfection of JA. It’s not that I don’t think he will get there. It is just an honest inventory of where he is right now.