Patrick Peterson Trade Value

[BillsMafia13]

So I know this was already a thread but after 15 weeks of evaluation,  I was wondering if Patrick Peterson was worth trading for and how much you would pay for him.  I assume he still wants out in Arizona and it would be amazing to pair him with White. 2 years left on his contract (11 and 12 mil) before we have to re-sign anyone big. 

[billsbackto81]

20 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

So I know this was already a thread but after 15 weeks of evaluation,  I was wondering if Patrick Peterson was worth trading for and how much you would pay for him.  I assume he still wants out in Arizona and it would be amazing to pair him with White. 2 years left on his contract (11 and 12 mil) before we have to re-sign anyone big. 

Arizona would want a 1st which would be in the 5-8 range. Too, too rich........ maybe a 2nd this year and a 2nd next. His contract is more than doable.

 

Him and White would make them a Top 3 duo in the league but there way too many holes on offense to fill.   

[Stank_Nasty]

if Wallace finishes out the season the same way he's started I see no need here.

[jr1]

just keep Wallace and focus the draft/FA on offense

[buffalover4life]

i'd say Arizona would be able to get a Kahlil mack(27) like trade for the Patrick Peterson(28).  Something like 2 first round picks or if dealing this years picks, a top ten and an additional second rounder. He single handedly removes most teams top offensive threat and he is on his way to the Hall of fame as well

[Alphadawg7]

41 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

So I know this was already a thread but after 15 weeks of evaluation,  I was wondering if Patrick Peterson was worth trading for and how much you would pay for him.  I assume he still wants out in Arizona and it would be amazing to pair him with White. 2 years left on his contract (11 and 12 mil) before we have to re-sign anyone big. 

 

If we can get PP at a reasonable trade cost, then I hope Beane does everything possible to get him.  I have seen various ranges of cost, anything from a first or first and some change to 2 second round picks, etc.  

 

Personally, I would in a heartbeat trade 2 second picks for Peterson.  I honestly wouldnt even be upset if we traded our first.  Here is why...we are almost certainly going to use a draft pick on a DB anyway if we dont fill the hole in FA.  And if we want a strong candidate to start, thats likely a premium pick in the first 3 rounds, some even suggesting we could use our first on Greedy.  So if there is a good chance we use a 1st or 2nd on a DB anyway, I would rather trade that for Peterson to insure we got an Elite Corner rather than an unproven rookie.  Most importantly, his contract is reasonable for us to take on and he is assured to be here for at least 2 years.

 

Adding PP takes our defense to a new level, we would have the potential to enter into ELITE territory like the Legion of Boom was for the Seahawks.  Teams like Seahawks, Giants (twice), Steelers (twice), Ravens, Broncos, etc in the last 15 years have shown how an Elite defense with at least a solid offense can win the SB, even several of those beating offensive powerhouses, include the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history by a combined score of 58-22.

 

And we keep seeing all year how defense is still important despite some premature declarations that defense is "dead" by many here.  Bears just punched the Rams right in the mouth, Ravens beat themselves or KC would have lost, Cowboys shut down Saints, etc.  Once playoffs get here, defense gets even more important.  Putting an Elite defense around Allen while also giving him some new protection and weapons to work with would make us a real contender next year assuming Allen makes the progressions we would expect with a better cast.  

 

6 minutes ago, buffalover4life said:

i'd say Arizona would be able to get a Kahlil mack(27) like trade for the Patrick Peterson(28).  Something like 2 first round picks or if dealing this years picks, a top ten and an additional second rounder. He single handedly removes most teams top offensive threat and he is on his way to the Hall of fame as well

 

No one is going to pay that though for a DB IMO.  Rare and elite pass rusher like Mack is typically more coveted.  I think the best they will get is going to be a first, but more likely something like two 2nds or a 2nd and a 3rd/4th.  I could be wrong, but just don't see the same kind of deal for Peterson.  

Edited December 13, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[papazoid]

if Patrick Peterson was in the upcoming nfl draft.....he'd be the first player taken.

 

he's a sure thing

 

7x pro bowler

 

3x first team all pro

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

If we can get PP at a reasonable trade cost, then I hope Beane does everything possible to get him.  I have seen various ranges of cost, anything from a first or first and some change to 2 second round picks, etc.  

 

Personally, I would in a heartbeat trade 2 second picks for Peterson.  I honestly wouldnt even be upset if we traded our first.  Here is why...we are almost certainly going to use a draft pick on a DB anyway if we dont fill the hole in FA.  And if we want a strong candidate to start, thats likely a premium pick in the first 3 rounds, some even suggesting we could use our first on Greedy.  So if there is a good chance we use a 1st or 2nd on a DB anyway, I would rather trade that for Peterson to insure we got an Elite Corner rather than an unproven rookie.  Most importantly, his contract is reasonable for us to take on and he is assured to be here for at least 2 years.

 

Adding PP takes our defense to a new level, we would have the potential to enter into ELITE territory like the Legion of Boom was for the Seahawks.  Teams like Seahawks, Giants (twice), Steelers (twice), Ravens, Broncos, etc in the last 15 years have shown how an Elite defense with at least a solid offense can win the SB, even several of those beating offensive powerhouses, include the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history by a combined score of 58-22.

 

And we keep seeing all year how defense is still important despite some premature declarations that defense is "dead" by many here.  Bears just punched the Rams right in the mouth, Ravens beat themselves or KC would have lost, Cowboys shut down Saints, etc.  Once playoffs get here, defense gets even more important.  Putting an Elite defense around Allen while also giving him some new protection and weapons to work with would make us a real contender next year assuming Allen makes the progressions we would expect with a better cast.  

Are you getting Champ Bailey (who played well past age 29) or Darrelle Revis (who fell off a cliff after age 29)? Bailey will be 29 next season, and he's a speed guy. That would concern me at least a little. He doesn't seem like the sort of guy who can transition to safety either (and the Bills don't really need a safety at the moment).

[BillsInWilmingtonNC]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

If we can get PP at a reasonable trade cost, then I hope Beane does everything possible to get him.  I have seen various ranges of cost, anything from a first or first and some change to 2 second round picks, etc.  

 

Personally, I would in a heartbeat trade 2 second picks for Peterson.  I honestly wouldnt even be upset if we traded our first.  Here is why...we are almost certainly going to use a draft pick on a DB anyway if we dont fill the hole in FA.  And if we want a strong candidate to start, thats likely a premium pick in the first 3 rounds, some even suggesting we could use our first on Greedy.  So if there is a good chance we use a 1st or 2nd on a DB anyway, I would rather trade that for Peterson to insure we got an Elite Corner rather than an unproven rookie.  Most importantly, his contract is reasonable for us to take on and he is assured to be here for at least 2 years.

 

Adding PP takes our defense to a new level, we would have the potential to enter into ELITE territory like the Legion of Boom was for the Seahawks.  Teams like Seahawks, Giants (twice), Steelers (twice), Ravens, Broncos, etc in the last 15 years have shown how an Elite defense with at least a solid offense can win the SB, even several of those beating offensive powerhouses, include the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history by a combined score of 58-22.

 

And we keep seeing all year how defense is still important despite some premature declarations that defense is "dead" by many here.  Bears just punched the Rams right in the mouth, Ravens beat themselves or KC would have lost, Cowboys shut down Saints, etc.  Once playoffs get here, defense gets even more important.  Putting an Elite defense around Allen while also giving him some new protection and weapons to work with would make us a real contender next year assuming Allen makes the progressions we would expect with a better cast.  

I would have to disagree with this in that I would much rather trust McBeane to find a good veteran in free agency to fill the CB2, or if the options are draft Greedy or trade for Patrick Peterson, I would much rather draft Greedy.  Legion of Boom was drafted, and I fully believe McBeane can draft their version of Legion of Boom.

[Shaw66]

I can't imagine the Bills would trade for Peterson.   

 

McBeane are completely about building through the draft.   I don't see them trading picks for players.    Their style is to trade players for picks.  

 

What I expect to see is the Bills keeping or adding to their picks.   I expect they'll be active in free agency, going after guys coming off their first contracts, but not older guys.   (With a possible exception here or there.)

[JerseyBills]

26 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

if Wallace finishes out the season the same way he's started I see no need here.

Yea he has been a pleasant surprise and this has largely been without the rookie stud at nickel, Taron Johnson. We might be set at secondary, although i am not a big fan of Bush in the Big Nickel..

[C.Biscuit97]

As good as Peterson is, I’d rather trade for an offensive playmaker or linemen.  I also don’t think Peterson would be happy coming here.  If he leaves Arizona, he probably wants to go to a team ready to win.

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Yea he has been a pleasant surprise and this has largely been without the rookie stud at nickel, Taron Johnson. We might be set at secondary, although i am not a big fan of Bush in the Big Nickel..

obviously it hinges on how Wallace finishes this year, but he and Johnson are sooooo young and have played really really well.... next years secondary could be SCARY good.

 

i'm really excited for guys like him and foster. even mkcenzie for that matter.... really exciting seeing the potential plugs to holes before the season even ends.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[Bing Bong]

28 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Arizona would want a 1st which would be in the 5-8 range. Too, too rich........ maybe a 2nd this year and a 2nd next. His contract is more than doable.

 

Him and White would make them a Top 3 duo in the league but there way too many holes on offense to fill.   

Top 3? I'd be hard pressed to find a duo that's even close to White and Peterson. Jax and Rams (when healthy) wouldn't beat em.

 

Maybe best since Chris Harris Jr and Aqib Talib's no fly zone

[JerseyBills]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

obviously it hinges on how Wallace finishes this year, but he and Johnson are sooooo young and have played really really well.... next years secondary could be SCARY good.

I actually made a post that blew up a bit in late September about Taron, I was just so impressed by his physical ability, nose for the ball and coverage skill, even though things were looking dim at the time. The scary part is, he's been playing the majority of the year with a shoulder issue, I can only imagine how good he can be without that injury hampering him, i think that kid is super special, like Tre, except he's obviously a nickel which slightly decreases his value. And i agree on Wallace, if he finishes as strong as he's been, scary good is correct!

2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Top 3? I'd be hard pressed to find a duo that's even close to White and Peterson. Jax and Rams (when healthy) wouldn't beat em.

 

Maybe best since Chris Harris Jr and Aqib Talib's no fly zone

Tre is one of a handful of legit lockdown cb that follow the number 1 and he's only in year 2. Look at Lattimore for example who took a big step back this year, Tre has been a phenom since week 1 last year.

[Bing Bong]

Just now, JerseyBills said:

I actually made a post that blew up a bit in late September about Taron, I was just so impressed by his physical ability, nose for the ball and coverage skill, even though things were looking dim at the time. The scary part is, he's been playing the majority of the year with a shoulder issue, I can only imagine how good he can be without that injury hampering him, i think that kid is super special, like Tre, except he's obviously a nickel which slightly decreases his value. And i agree on Wallace, if he finishes as strong as he's been, scary good is correct!

Taron Johnson was amazing when he played. Hope it's no flash in the pan.

[Stank_Nasty]

4 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Top 3? I'd be hard pressed to find a duo that's even close to White and Peterson. Jax and Rams (when healthy) wouldn't beat em.

 

Maybe best since Chris Harris Jr and Aqib Talib's no fly zone

I think maybe even a majority of bills fans don't really understand how good white has been.

[Bing Bong]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Tre is one of a handful of legit lockdown cb that follow the number 1 and he's only in year 2. Look at Lattimore for example who took a big step back this year, Tre has been a phenom since week 1 last year.

And Peterson's obviously regarded by many as best in the business.

[The_Dude]

Not interested. If we trade for anything it better be a receiver. 

[papazoid]

you take em as they come. 

 

in the unlikely event Arizona would take our 1st round pick for Patrick Peterson, I would do it in a heartbeat. i'm not waiting for some other imaginary better deal.

 

but that ain't happening. far more likely the bills trade down and recoup some draft capital they gave up for josh.

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Are you getting Champ Bailey (who played well past age 29) or Darrelle Revis (who fell off a cliff after age 29)? Bailey will be 29 next season, and he's a speed guy. That would concern me at least a little. He doesn't seem like the sort of guy who can transition to safety either (and the Bills don't really need a safety at the moment).

 

Thats a fair criticism and question.  Honestly, I was giving Peterson the benefit of the doubt that he is still playing at the Elite level and can continue.  While I have watched a lot of AZ play this year, I really only have on when they have the ball to see what Rosen has looked like and change the channel to another game when their Defense is on the field.  So any opinion I could share on that wouldn't be reliable as I am not really qualified to form one since I haven't really watched him this year.  

 

I would however fully trust that McD and Beane could certainly form a reliable opinion on the matter though if hey did make a trade for him.  They have certainly done quite well evaluating DB's.  

19 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

I would have to disagree with this in that I would much rather trust McBeane to find a good veteran in free agency to fill the CB2, or if the options are draft Greedy or trade for Patrick Peterson, I would much rather draft Greedy.  Legion of Boom was drafted, and I fully believe McBeane can draft their version of Legion of Boom.

 

Fair opinion, and honestly I do not even really disagree with this.  McD and Beane have proven to be good at evaluating DB's thus far, so I would have confidence in them to find guys. However, if PP can still play at the Elite level for the next 2 years, I do think he is worth the trade given we have plenty of cap space to absorb him.  

[buffalover4life]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

Not interested. If we trade for anything it better be a receiver. 

Odell beckham please. He might actually be available too

 

[Mr. WEO]

a first rounder and big salary for 2 years?  Then another huge contract....for a (top) CB?  Nah.

 

This isn't a value proposition.  As others have noted, Tre is a star in the making.  Spending all the above on adding Peterson on the other side doesn't make this a significantly better passing D.  Is Arizona's passing D that much better now?  Numbers say no.  So why add Peterson at that cost?

 

This history of unwise FO moves is littered with huge sums paid for "shutdown CBs" deep into their prime.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Look at Lattimore for example who took a big step back this year, Tre has been a phenom since week 1 last year.

 

Lattimore has most decidedly not taken a big step back this year. He has been a top 10 corner again. I do think Tre has very slightly outplayed him but they remain right there neck and neck. 

 

Patrick Peterson is still the best corner in the game. If I thought I could do it without giving up a 1st round pick I would not hesitate to go and trade for him. 

 

Peterson and White would give you two of the best corners in the National Football League. 

 

If the Bills wanna slow build this thing then fine. But you could go and get a stud like Peterson and get maybe sign Golden Tate in FA and say "we are going to win in 2019". It is a leap of faith in Allen but it is not that different to the leap of faith the Bears took in Trubisky. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

24 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

 

but that ain't happening. far more likely the bills trade down and recoup some draft capital they gave up for josh.

What draft capital are you referring to? The Bills did not give up any picks from next years draft.

[BillsMafia13]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

a first rounder and big salary for 2 years?  Then another huge contract....for a (top) CB?  Nah.

 

This isn't a value proposition.  As others have noted, Tre is a star in the making.  Spending all the above on adding Peterson on the other side doesn't make this a significantly better passing D.  Is Arizona's passing D that much better now?  Numbers say no.  So why add Peterson at that cost?

 

This history of unwise FO moves is littered with huge sums paid for "shutdown CBs" deep into their prime.

 

 

11 mil is not that heavy of a price for the arguably the best db in the game, we can definitely afford it.  I would absolutely rather trade for a WR/OL but if they could work a deal where we trade our first (top 10) for their second I would be all about it.  I doubt it would be that cheap considering what Macks price was for 1 year on his contract but hey im a dreamer. 

[The_Dude]

51 minutes ago, buffalover4life said:

Odell beckham please. He might actually be available too

 

 

I cant imagine that. But I’d be down to trade BIG for him. I’d give them this years forst, next years first, but I’d demand a 3 or a 4 come back to us. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

a first rounder and big salary for 2 years?  Then another huge contract....for a (top) CB?  Nah.

 

This isn't a value proposition.  As others have noted, Tre is a star in the making.  Spending all the above on adding Peterson on the other side doesn't make this a significantly better passing D.  Is Arizona's passing D that much better now?  Numbers say no.  So why add Peterson at that cost?

 

This history of unwise FO moves is littered with huge sums paid for "shutdown CBs" deep into their prime.

 

 

 

I get where you are coming from, but AZ as a whole is not as good as us on defense.  With PP opposite Tre, and our 2 safeties and guys like Levi and Taron coming on as nickel and dime packages, we are going to have one heck of a secondary that has the potential to be the best overall since the Legion of Boom.  Plus with guys like Edmunds and Milano at LB who can cover its going to be hard to pass on us and give our front guys more time to get pressure on the QB.

 

Like I said before though, full disclaimer is I am giving PP the benefit of the doubt he still plays at the same level and is capable of doing so for 2 more years of his contract.  I have not really watched him play this year personally as I only watch Cards when they have the ball to see what Rosen is doing.  

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Ain't happening.

[Mr. WEO]

34 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I get where you are coming from, but AZ as a whole is not as good as us on defense.  With PP opposite Tre, and our 2 safeties and guys like Levi and Taron coming on as nickel and dime packages, we are going to have one heck of a secondary that has the potential to be the best overall since the Legion of Boom.  Plus with guys like Edmunds and Milano at LB who can cover its going to be hard to pass on us and give our front guys more time to get pressure on the QB.

 

Like I said before though, full disclaimer is I am giving PP the benefit of the doubt he still plays at the same level and is capable of doing so for 2 more years of his contract.  I have not really watched him play this year personally as I only watch Cards when they have the ball to see what Rosen is doing.  

 

 

The Bills D weakness is against the run.  Getting Peterson won't help that or make their pass defense that much better than it already is.  No need to pay that much for a guy not many more years in the league.  He'll finish his career as guys like his type (Talib, Revis)  do---as mercenaries.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[Thriftygamer83]

We have Ryan Lewis and are developing him into a sure thing.  Quit saying Draft this or that; free agency like drafting is boom or bust. We busted on McKelvin and picked him to high.  

[John from Riverside]

Wallace looks like he is killing it ever since they inserted him and he is a rookie......

 

Why make a trade like this when there are obvious needs on the team?

 

We are going to need a 3rd corner....but McD finds these guys when he orders a happy meal from McDonalds it seems

[Buddo]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Wallace looks like he is killing it ever since they inserted him and he is a rookie......

 

Why make a trade like this when there are obvious needs on the team?

 

We are going to need a 3rd corner....but McD finds these guys when he orders a happy meal from McDonalds it seems

 

This is a good point. We could quite easily find a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round who McDermott can coach up. For any other faults he may have, identifying talent at DB, is not one of them. That being the case, I'd rather take the youth, tbh, but if McBeane decided to go after Peterson, I couldn't argue about it, due to how well they know DBs.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...thought he changed his tune, saying he was "just frustrated", pledging to be a Cardinal for a long time.....did I miss the memo?.............

[billsredneck1]

5 hours ago, The_Dude said:

Not interested. If we trade for anything it better be a receiver. 

i agree and i also don't see where our secondary is woefully in need of an older, expensive player...

[papazoid]

5 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

What draft capital are you referring to? The Bills did not give up any picks from next years draft.

 

was referring to the two very valuable 2nd round picks the bills gave up last draft

[White Linen]

Peterson is an excellent player but he's just not what we should be focused on.  Offensive weapons are terribly difficult to get in free agency so the draft is our opportunity and even that's extremely difficult.  We can ill afford to give up draft picks even for someone as good as Peterson.  

[Manther]

7 hours ago, buffalover4life said:

i'd say Arizona would be able to get a Kahlil mack(27) like trade for the Patrick Peterson(28).  Something like 2 first round picks or if dealing this years picks, a top ten and an additional second rounder. He single handedly removes most teams top offensive threat and he is on his way to the Hall of fame as well

I think the CB position has less prime years than LB and DE.  So, I don't think the haul would be as large as Mack.  IMHO

[KD in CA]

7 hours ago, BillsMafia13 said:

So I know this was already a thread but after 15 weeks of evaluation,  I was wondering if Patrick Peterson was worth trading for and how much you would pay for him.  I assume he still wants out in Arizona and it would be amazing to pair him with White. 2 years left on his contract (11 and 12 mil) before we have to re-sign anyone big. 

 

For the investment to pay off they'd need to resign him, and that means a new contract after the first year, if not immediately.

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

 

was referring to the two very valuable 2nd round picks the bills gave up last draft

Gotcha. I would like to believe that they look at each draft as a stand alone and don’t try to recoup picks from previous drafts.