The Trump Shutdown

[/dev/null]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

George Zimmermann, is that you?

I was thinking more like Sweetchuck

 

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

George Zimmermann, is that you?

Yes. And, if you act up I’ll put a black powder cap in yer azz.

 

 

Edited January 27, 2019 by Nanker

[Deranged Rhino]

4 hours ago, snafu said:

 

What I meant was whether he offered to talk today, like he should offer tomorrow, and Monday.

invite Pelosi over to the White House every day.  

 

They agreed to form a panel/commission to negotiate during the interim, I believe that they're waiting for the leaders to pick the members who will be on it. Whomever Pelosi picks will tell us a great deal about their seriousness. I think they make those announcements Monday (if they haven't already).

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They agreed to form a panel/commission to negotiate during the interim, I believe that they're waiting for the leaders to pick the members who will be on it. Whomever Pelosi picks will tell us a great deal about their seriousness. I think they make those announcements Monday (if they haven't already).

 

Expect this guy to be a part of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joaquin_Castro

 

[BeginnersMind]

First he didn’t mean that Mexico was really paying for it. 

 

Then he didn’t mean it was a wall all along the border. 

 

Then he didnt really mean a wall but a bunch of penetrable beams. 

 

Then he was willing to shutdown the government until he got his wall. 

 

The French didn’t retreat this quickly!

 

 

Edited January 27, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[3rdnlng]

21 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

First he didn’t mean that Mexico was really paying for it. 

 

Then he didn’t mean it was a wall all along the border. 

 

Then he didnt really mean a wall but a bunch of penetrable beams. 

 

Then he was willing to shutdown the government until he got his wall. 

 

The French didn’t retreat this quickly!

 

 

He never said we needed a wall all along the border. You guys keep bringing this up because you are disingenuous ****heads. What is a penetrable beam as it pertains to the wall?

[keepthefaith]

58 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

First he didn’t mean that Mexico was really paying for it. 

 

Then he didn’t mean it was a wall all along the border. 

 

Then he didnt really mean a wall but a bunch of penetrable beams. 

. 

Then he was willing to shutdown the government until he got his wall. 

 

The French didn’t retreat this quickly!

 

 

 

There's plenty of room to criticize Trump's tactics and style on this issue.  However there is no good argument that we don't need to better secure the border and re-write our asylum and immigration laws and policies and engage our neighbors to the south differently.  What's happened over the past 30 years on this matter is an atrocity.  Fixing it once and for all is a no-brainer.  This should have overwhelming bi-partisan support, unless your goals are strictly political.

Edited January 27, 2019 by keepthefaith

[Q-baby!]

35 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

He never said we needed a wall all along the border. You guys keep bringing this up because you are disingenuous ****heads. What is a penetrable beam as it pertains to the wall?

And you a a trump ball licker who continues to have to make excuses for his lying ass! 

[row_33]

19 minutes ago, BigMcD said:

And you a a trump ball licker who continues to have to make excuses for his lying ass! 

 

On a Sunday

[bilzfancy]

23 minutes ago, BigMcD said:

And you a a trump ball licker who continues to have to make excuses for his lying ass! 

Why does a little twerp who's country is being led by an effeminate little wuss complain about America's leader?

[3rdnlng]

29 minutes ago, BigMcD said:

And you a a trump ball licker who continues to have to make excuses for his lying ass! 

Thank God, after all of the attempts you've made to impregnate a moose you've been unsuccessful. Wouldn't want to screw up their gene pool.

[B-Man]

A bit optimistic I think.....................but I guess we'll see

 

This Just Might Be Trump’s Andy Jackson Moment

by Mike Ford

 

Most folks are now aware of the latest twist in the so called, “government shutdown.” President Trump has agreed to a deal that will fund the currently non-funded , 25 percent of federal government for the next three weeks. This is supposed to give negotiating teams from both parties time to come up with something President Trump will sign and that both sides can live with. President Trump has indicated that if such a solution isn’t found by Congress, he retains the right to invoke a state of emergency and use those statutory powers to start building the border wall.

 

This just might be President Trump’s Andy Jackson moment. If you recall from history class, the United States Supreme Court Under Chief Justice John Marshall, overturned a conviction of men convicted by the State of Georgia for violating a law that Marshall later stated, would deprive the Indian Tribes of their sovereignty. President Jackson allegedly stated “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it,” or words to that effect.

 

President Trump may get such an opportunity three weeks from now. If Congress cannot come up with an acceptable solution for the President, he will in all likelihood declare a state of emergency and attempt to begin construction of his most significant campaign promise. Once this occurs, I’m sure we all know what will happen. The leftists will find a tame California-based Federal District Judge to issue a nation-wide stay on any wall construction activities, in order to delay any progress on a border barrier until after the 2020 election. For the leftists, this has nothing to do with national security. It has everything to do with denying Donald Trump a “win,” on the most significant promise to his supporters.

 

There are a few things the President can do to limit the effect of this leftist strategy. First of all, he needs to pick a section of border in Texas, 5th Judicial Circuit Territory, to begin construction. This will hopefully place the starting point for any legal action in territory more friendly to conservative ideas, like border protection. It will also have the effect of starting the project with the longest section of US-Mexico border—1200 miles.

 

Second, he needs to partner with Brian Kolfage’s GoFundMe organization to identify owners of land parcels along the border and in priority areas, who are willing to give or sell easement for construction of a border barrier/wall. This will eliminate, at least initially, one legal issue, the forcible taking of land via eminent domain.

 

Third, the Administration, needs to find our own tame Federal District Judge in the 5th Circuit and apply for a Declaratory Judgement. As I describe in a previous article here, this is one possible way to take the offense instead of just reacting to leftist lawfare and it’s concomitant delays, not to mention starting the sure to be Judicial fight, in a friendlier judicial circuit.

 

MORE AT THE LINK:

[Foxx]

hypocrisy-r-us 

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1089255608606310400

 

[Figster]

Another important aspect of having poor border security is the ability to commit crimes in the US and escape justice crossing back into Mexico. Easy in is even easier out.

 

Secure our borders with police/ patrol dogs carrying body Cam and GPS tracking devices with drone surveillance flying above them.

 

End the problem...

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

24 minutes ago, Figster said:

Another important aspect of having poor border security is the ability to commit crimes in the US and escape justice crossing back into Mexico. Easy in is even easier out.

 

Secure our borders with police/ patrol dogs carrying body Cam and GPS tracking devices with drone surveillance flying above them.

 

End the problem...

 

 

 

You don't even need to cross back to Mexico to escape justice. You just need to be in CA. 

[bilzfancy]

10 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

You don't even need to cross back to Mexico to escape justice. You just need to be in CA. 

and now NYS, where they can get free health care and college tuition 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, bilzfancy said:

and now NYS, where they can get free health care and college tuition 

 

Not to mention unlimited abortions.

[TH3]

25 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Not to mention unlimited abortions.

Unlimited free late term completely publicly funded tyically provided in junior and high school during study hall!

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

hypocrisy-r-us 

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1089255608606310400

 

I watched his CSPAN speech after the shutdown because I know he's brought this up in the past.  He used the same talking point that border security is important but there are better and more cost effective alternatives to a wall.  Would love to hear them.  

 

Then he pointed out that he just signed basically the same bill the Senate passed before the shutdown and all he really did was cause undo anxiety for some of the approximately 800,000 federal employees for a little over a month.  I can't disagree with him on that.

[3rdnlng]

12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I watched his CSPAN speech after the shutdown because I know he's brought this up in the past.  He used the same talking point that border security is important but there are better and more cost effective alternatives to a wall.  Would love to hear them.  

 

Then he pointed out that he just signed basically the same bill the Senate passed before the shutdown and all he really did was cause undo anxiety for some of the approximately 800,000 federal employees for a little over a month.  I can't disagree with him on that.

The dems have historically agreed to a security fence on the southern border. They shut down the government not because they had a problem with the fence but because they had a problem with giving Trump the fence. It had nothing to do with them being against the fence for security reasons but for political reasons. So basically the dem leadership sacrificed the safety of the American people for their own partisan reasons.

[Foxx]

 

https://twitter.com/RealRachelTalks/status/1088280197584048128

 

[Doc Brown]

35 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

The dems have historically agreed to a security fence on the southern border. They shut down the government not because they had a problem with the fence but because they had a problem with giving Trump the fence. It had nothing to do with them being against the fence for security reasons but for political reasons. So basically the dem leadership sacrificed the safety of the American people for their own partisan reasons.

I hope it's more than a fence.  They have and I said earlier that they're not giving Trump the money because they don't want him to win on his main campaign promise.  I like the idea of a steel slated barrier. 

 

It just seems odd to me that Trump waited two years until he suddenly shut down the government over the wall instead of doing it on previous spending bills when Republicans had control of the house if it's such a great threat.  Even last September would've been a more opportune time.  He needed eight or nine Democratic Senate votes and they may have caved considering a lot of them were up for reelection in red states.  It's almost like he wanted to make this a hot button issue after the midterms for his reelection campaign in 2020. 

 

[Paulus]

I could Trump ordering the military to begin construction, at some point. 

[Kevbeau]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I hope it's more than a fence.  They have and I said earlier that they're not giving Trump the money because they don't want him to win on his main campaign promise.  I like the idea of a steel slated barrier. 

 

It just seems odd to me that Trump waited two years until he suddenly shut down the government over the wall instead of doing it on previous spending bills when Republicans had control of the house if it's such a great threat.  Even last September would've been a more opportune time.  He needed eight or nine Democratic Senate votes and they may have caved considering a lot of them were up for reelection in red states.  It's almost like he wanted to make this a hot button issue after the midterms for his reelection campaign in 2020. 

 

Agreed. There was a much better time to raise this if the single intent was to actually build a wall.

[Figster]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

I hope it's more than a fence.  They have and I said earlier that they're not giving Trump the money because they don't want him to win on his main campaign promise.  I like the idea of a steel slated barrier. 

 

It just seems odd to me that Trump waited two years until he suddenly shut down the government over the wall instead of doing it on previous spending bills when Republicans had control of the house if it's such a great threat.  Even last September would've been a more opportune time.  He needed eight or nine Democratic Senate votes and they may have caved considering a lot of them were up for reelection in red states.  It's almost like he wanted to make this a hot button issue after the midterms for his reelection campaign in 2020. 

 

On the wall itself, why not incorporate solar panels and/or giant wind mills into the design where applicable. The barrier doesn't have to be just a wall, construct something that produces energy, self sufficient. Or something that helps transportation in some way. 

[/dev/null]

3 minutes ago, Figster said:

On the wall itself, why not incorporate solar panels and/or giant wind mills into the design where applicable. The barrier doesn't have to be just a wall, construct something that produces energy, self sufficient. Or something that helps transportation in some way. 

 

and sharks...with frickin laser beams

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I hope it's more than a fence.  They have and I said earlier that they're not giving Trump the money because they don't want him to win on his main campaign promise.  I like the idea of a steel slated barrier. 

 

It just seems odd to me that Trump waited two years until he suddenly shut down the government over the wall instead of doing it on previous spending bills when Republicans had control of the house if it's such a great threat.  Even last September would've been a more opportune time.  He needed eight or nine Democratic Senate votes and they may have caved considering a lot of them were up for reelection in red states.  It's almost like he wanted to make this a hot button issue after the midterms for his reelection campaign in 2020. 

 

Remember when he signed the omnibus bill about a year ago? He claimed he'd never sign one again that didn't have wall funding. He was convinced by Ryan & McConnell to sign it because he got the military spending he wanted, and that they could push through the border wall funding in 2018. When the dems won the House they put Pelosi in an awkward position. Many of the new reps pledged in their campaigns to not vote for her for Speaker and many of them were on the far left. She had to straddle the fence and make some deals to get the Speakership. When the R House voted for 5 billion for the wall in late December (by an impressive margin) Schumer had to kill it in the Senate to keep Pelosi's hopes alive for getting the post. So, all of this crap has had nothing to do with border security or the wall but everything to do with politics.

[Figster]

11 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

and sharks...with frickin laser beams

A water way filled with great whites that don't get fed much ...

 

...some mexican beef burritos/drug cartel on occasion...

 

...I like it toad...

Edited January 27, 2019 by Figster

[3rdnlng]

8 minutes ago, Figster said:

On the wall itself, why not incorporate solar panels and/or giant wind mills into the design where applicable. The barrier doesn't have to be just a wall, construct something that produces energy, self sufficient. Or something that helps transportation in some way. 

The environmental activists would shout down the windmills because they might either kill or change the migration habits of the Central Americans. Seriously though no one is going to build solar or wind farms unless they are at the optimal locations for them.

8 minutes ago, Figster said:

A water way filled with great white sharks that don't get fed much ...

 

...I like it toad...

Piranha.

[Koko78]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Piranha.

 

You want more South American trash coming to the border? What's next, Asian Carp?

[Figster]

5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

The environmental activists would shout down the windmills because they might either kill or change the migration habits of the Central Americans. Seriously though no one is going to build solar or wind farms unless they are at the optimal locations for them.

Piranha.

True that on optimal locations.

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

You want more South American trash coming to the border? What's next, Asian Carp?

Racist.

[Koko78]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Racist.

 

That's with TWO scoops, mother *****.

[Nanker]

43 minutes ago, Figster said:

On the wall itself, why not incorporate solar panels and/or giant wind mills into the design where applicable. The barrier doesn't have to be just a wall, construct something that produces energy, self sufficient. Or something that helps transportation in some way. 

A high speed rail wall. The Dems would go for it in a heartbeat. 

[Kevbeau]

1 hour ago, Koko78 said:

 

You want more South American trash coming to the border? What's next, Asian Carp?

Now you did it. He’s on his way.

 

[snafu]

1 hour ago, Figster said:

On the wall itself, why not incorporate solar panels and/or giant wind mills into the design where applicable. The barrier doesn't have to be just a wall, construct something that produces energy, self sufficient. Or something that helps transportation in some way. 

 

In this thread I proposed a solar panel, electrified wall with the excess energy being sold to Mexico. 

I also proposed a moat. 

I also proposed a new Panama-style canal that we share with Mexico (though that one would be ambitious). 

 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Remember when he signed the omnibus bill about a year ago? He claimed he'd never sign one again that didn't have wall funding. He was convinced by Ryan & McConnell to sign it because he got the military spending he wanted, and that they could push through the border wall funding in 2018. When the dems won the House they put Pelosi in an awkward position. Many of the new reps pledged in their campaigns to not vote for her for Speaker and many of them were on the far left. She had to straddle the fence and make some deals to get the Speakership. When the R House voted for 5 billion for the wall in late December (by an impressive margin) Schumer had to kill it in the Senate to keep Pelosi's hopes alive for getting the post. So, all of this crap has had nothing to do with border security or the wall but everything to do with politics.

I remember and I remember a lot of pissed off people on the right criticize him for not demanding border funding.  He also could've shut the government down last September when he signed another spending bill with no wall funding.  The Republicans wanted to make it a midterm issue so both sides are playing politics here.

[Figster]

7 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

In this thread I proposed a solar panel, electrified wall with the excess energy being sold to Mexico. 

I also proposed a moat. 

I also proposed a new Panama-style canal that we share with Mexico (though that one would be ambitious). 

 

Great minds think alike,

 

Well done snafu...

[Figster]

21 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

In this thread I proposed a solar panel, electrified wall with the excess energy being sold to Mexico. 

I also proposed a moat. 

I also proposed a new Panama-style canal that we share with Mexico (though that one would be ambitious). 

 

I really like the Panama-style canal idea, ambitious as it may be, you can do allot of things with water. Land owners might be more attracted to the idea vs a steel wall. 

 

and its something Mexico might actually help fund IMO.

Edited January 28, 2019 by Figster

[keepthefaith]

4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

The dems have historically agreed to a security fence on the southern border. They shut down the government not because they had a problem with the fence but because they had a problem with giving Trump the fence. It had nothing to do with them being against the fence for security reasons but for political reasons. So basically the dem leadership sacrificed the safety of the American people for their own partisan reasons.

 

That was at a time when the Dem position was against illegal immigration because it hurt many union workers and depressed wages for many traditional Dem voters.  The big prize for Dems now comes in the form of millions of Dem voters who are the offspring of illegal immigrants or illegal immigrants themselves who Dems feel will be given citizenship at some point.  Dems have come too far on this to turn back now.  The dreams of turning states like Texas and Arizona blue and obtaining a near electoral lock are getting closer to coming true.  Few Dems are going to support border security and any legislation that restricts immigration.  It's a power play pure and simple and these are sick individuals in Washington pulling these strings.   

Edited January 28, 2019 by keepthefaith