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Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

The point, you moron, is that the decision on DACA, which Trump tried to end a year ago, is still churning its way through the courts.

 

I'm a moron for not understanding a tangent you brought up out of the blue that no one was discussing in this thread? You're terrible at this. 

 

1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

The transgender and Muslims bans took about two years until the injunctions were lifted/

 

You're behind in your news consumption... er, I mean programming. The transgender ban was just upheld. 

 

1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

If Trump declared a national emergency, it's going to have an injunction so fast your spin will spin. (sadly, not enough to get it out of your ass) And it will, almost without doubt, be blocked, as A) the situation is absolutely not an emergency and B) it's a gross abuse of executive power.

 

Legally, you're woefully incorrect about A and B. It'll be tried in court... but again you haven't been paying attention to what Trump's been doing in the courts for two years because you're too busy chasing "Trump Russia" ghosts and calling people white nationalists who dare to think for themselves. 

 

You're a good little NPC. Never thinking for yourself. Always getting facts wrong.

 

3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

In short, the "national emergency" is the fig leaf to the base to try to cover up how much he failed. When it gets blocked, Trump gets to complain about "activist judges", and use the wall again in his rallying cry.

 

False.

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1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

The point, you moron, is that the decision on DACA, which Trump tried to end a year ago, is still churning its way through the courts.

 

The transgender and Muslims bans took about two years until the injunctions were lifted.

 

If Trump declared a national emergency, it's going to have an injunction so fast your spin will spin. (sadly, not enough to get it out of your ass) And it will, almost without doubt, be blocked, as A) the situation is absolutely not an emergency and B) it's a gross abuse of executive power. 

 

In short, the "national emergency" is the fig leaf to the base to try to cover up how much he failed. When it gets blocked, Trump gets to complain about "activist judges", and use the wall again in his rallying cry.

 

 

 

That would be interesting, considering the half-dozen times Obama abused "national emergency" powers on situations that weren't an emergency, without injunctions or even complaints.  Never saw the human rights sanctions against Burundi go to court, did you?

 

Which isn't to say you're wrong.  Just that you're pushing an egregious double standard.

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

OK, I could not listen as I am out of the country with the world's slowest internet connection...

This temporary opening...   Is it so people do not get RIF-ed? A bargaining of ... if A does not happen in 3 weeks, B will (B being bad)? Is a resolution close? Anyone mind giving me the Reader's Digest version of President Trump's news conference? 

 

He used the presser to make his case (again) as to why a wall is needed, that was the bulk of it. He hit on human trafficking, crime, and illegal immigration to make those points. It's a temporary funding bill (but they all are), with a bi-partisan panel formed to negotiate border security. 

 

Trump will get to give the SOTU from the Congressional floor, the networks will be forced to cover it. He'll have his guests there that will all be angel moms and trafficking victims. He'll make a big speech on it all and then, if the new panel is at a standstill (which they likely will be), he'll order a National Emergency to get his funding. 

 

The wall is already being built and refurbished - and was while the shutdown was happening.

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

That would be interesting, considering the half-dozen times Obama abused "national emergency" powers on situations that weren't an emergency, without injunctions or even complaints.  Never saw the human rights sanctions against Burundi go to court, did you?

 

Which isn't to say you're wrong.  Just that you're pushing an egregious double standard.

No one ever complained about Obama's actions? Ok! 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

The point, you moron, is that the decision on DACA, which Trump tried to end a year ago, is still churning its way through the courts.

 

The transgender and Muslims bans took about two years until the injunctions were lifted.

 

If Trump declared a national emergency, it's going to have an injunction so fast your spin will spin. (sadly, not enough to get it out of your ass) And it will, almost without doubt, be blocked, as A) the situation is absolutely not an emergency and B) it's a gross abuse of executive power. 

 

In short, the "national emergency" is the fig leaf to the base to try to cover up how much he failed. When it gets blocked, Trump gets to complain about "activist judges", and use the wall again in his rallying cry.

 

 

Liberal happiness is confusing. If the Bills win a Super Bowl,  I'm worried you will celebrate by going on a multi-state killing spree. 

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6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Art of the Deal.  He's getting bad advice. 

I don't know about that. Could be a bad decision, time will tell, but he's often been a couple steps ahead on issues.  I'm thinking this is his call, and he'll live with the consequences.  

 

In the calm light of day, painting the dems as disinterested in protecting ordinary Americans (and those victimzed on the other side of the border) worked spectacularly well for him.  I'll give him another month. 

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5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Art of the Deal.  He's getting bad advice. 

No, it's all about the federal judges. If one hadn't ruled a year ago against Trump rescinding one of the Obama era rules (not even an Executive Order) unconstitutionally we wouldn't be in this place. Leftist federal judges are being phased out. The war was won on 11-8-16, the left just doesn't know it yet. 

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The courts are not going to get involved in debating the President exercising emergency powers.  No judge wants their name attached to that.  

 

I'm sure the Democrats will want them to but litigating and debating those powers has long reaching, substantive consequences for Presidents going forward.

 

Democrats are so near-sighted.  I wonder if they realize life goes on past the Trump Presidency.  

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Meh...........we'll see

 

 

 

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A 3 week funding deal is good. This gets workers paid, he can do a State of the Union where he changes the narrative and Democrats get the pressure now. They said they’d negotiate after the shutdown so they have 3 weeks to agree on a deal with wall funding or it’s their shutdown.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

:lol:

 

They lied.  Pelosi never negotiates after she gets what she wants.

She will dictate the terms of Trump's surrender :) 

 

What an azz whipping! Trump's seriously damaged now. Six more years?? Lol!!  

 

He might even see a primary challenger 

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13 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

She will dictate the terms of Trump's surrender :) 

 

What an azz whipping! Trump's seriously damaged now. Six more years?? Lol!!  

 

He might even see a primary challenger 

 

how much of your existential right to exist relies on any of this actually happening?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

She will dictate the terms of Trump's surrender :) 

 

What an azz whipping! Trump's seriously damaged now. Six more years?? Lol!!  

 

He might even see a primary challenger 

You're delusional, you and your extreme left wingers will be crying again in November, 2020

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Just now, bilzfancy said:

You're delusional, you and your extreme left wingers will be crying again in November, 2020

 

Put him on ignore, you're life will be much better. He has no intention of being intellectually honest (if he even could is debatable)

 

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10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

She will dictate the terms of Trump's surrender :) 

 

What an azz whipping! Trump's seriously damaged now. Six more years?? Lol!!  

 

He might even see a primary challenger 

i hope you are working on your narrative for when he gets his funding.

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Just now, Foxx said:

i hope you are working on your narrative for when he gets his funding.

 

Itll be exactly the same narrative as when the MAGA hat kid narrative fell apart. He will continue to be dishonest about the facts of the matter, double down on absurdity, then when he's gotten enough responses about it he'll say he never cared about the wall or this shutdown to begin with. 

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3 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

You're delusional, you and your extreme left wingers will be crying again in November, 2020

I know, with all this winning Trump is doing! ?

 

Why would you want this incompetent loser to run our country for four more years anyways? Honestly you can't really care about the country that much if you want him as President. 

1 minute ago, bilzfancy said:

Trump may be rude, crude and a bully but the fact remains that he's done more good for this country in 2 years, then Barry Soetoro did in 8

Wow

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Just now, bilzfancy said:

Trump may be rude, crude and a bully but the fact remains that he's done more good for this country in 2 years, then Barry Soetoro did in 8

 

And has done so without stripping back our civil liberties or constitutional rights. 

 

Same could not be said of 44 or 45. 

 

But: ORANGE MAN BAD!!!

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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I know, with all this winning Trump is doing! ?

 

Why would you want this incompetent loser to run our country for four more years anyways? Honestly you can't really care about the country that much if you want him as President. 

The incompetent loser was the guy in office before Trump

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1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Itll be exactly the same narrative as when the MAGA hat kid narrative fell apart. He will continue to be dishonest about the facts of the matter, double down on absurdity, then when he's gotten enough responses about it he'll say he never cared about the wall or this shutdown to begin with. 

I understand your butt really hurts right now, but don't go predicting my reaction to something that ain't never going to happen. No wall 

 

 

No stupid wall 

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3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Itll be exactly the same narrative as when the MAGA hat kid narrative fell apart. He will continue to be dishonest about the facts of the matter, double down on absurdity, then when he's gotten enough responses about it he'll say he never cared about the wall or this shutdown to begin with. 

we already know he has the narrative all worked out if Trump declares an emergency on the southern border and diverts funds that way,.

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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I understand your butt really hurts right now, but don't go predicting my reaction to something that ain't never going to happen. No wall 

 

 

No stupid wall 

If the wall is so stupid, why do all your heros, Pelosi, Obama and Soros all have walls around their houses?

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1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And has done so without stripping back our civil liberties or constitutional rights. 

 

Same could not be said of 44 or 45. 

 

But: ORANGE MAN BAD!!!

Oh no, just obstructing justice and selling us out to the Russians, degrading the office with his constant lying, doing nothing to help average Americans with health care, starting a stupid, useless and harmful trade war and resorting to inhumanity at the border. Ya, that's all 

Just now, bilzfancy said:

If the wall is so stupid, why do all your heros, Pelosi, Obama and Soros all have walls around their houses?

Those are very different things. Border walls and fences around homes, ya, like comparing apples and horse sh it 

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2 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

If the wall is so stupid, why do all your heros, Pelosi, Obama and Soros all have walls around their houses?

 

To keep out the deplorables.  They allow illegal immigrants inside their walls, to do their landscaping.

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5 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

The incompetent loser was the guy in office before Trump

Obama has not had any of his people arrested and sent to jail. Trump? 

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To keep out the deplorables.  They allow illegal immigrants inside their walls, to do their landscaping.

Actually....Trump is the one that hires illegals 

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13 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

You're delusional, you and your extreme left wingers will be crying again in November, 2020

 

You're trying to have a discussion with a guy who today will tell you the Russians screwed the election, then tomorrow tell you Hillary should be president because she got more votes, and next week will complain about how declaring the border a national emergency is above the office of President.

 

Put him on ignore. Your visit here will be much more intellectual simply by subtraction.

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Just now, bilzfancy said:

The final word on Clinton and or Obama hasn't yet been told

Or Trump! The score will get even more one sided as we go on. 

 

Funny, after all that garbage about Obamas birth certificate, it's Trump working for a murderous foreigner. Sad 

1 minute ago, LABillzFan said:

 

You're trying to have a discussion with a guy who today will tell you the Russians screwed the election, then tomorrow tell you Hillary should be president because she got more votes, and next week will complain about how declaring the border a national emergency is above the office of President.

 

Put him on ignore. Your visit here will be much more intellectual simply by subtraction.

So much butt hurt! Lol! 

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11 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

What was Obama's big accomplishments?  The unaffordable care act, and saying it was ok for a grown man to use the same bathroom as your 7 yr old daughter 

 

when he wasn't reading his teleprompter it wasn't a big accomplishment for his education and pedigree.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, bilzfancy said:

What was Obama's big accomplishments?  The unaffordable care act, and saying it was ok for a grown man to use the same bathroom as your 7 yr old daughter 

Well, he won twice while winning popular vote, Trump can't, won't and didn't. 

 

Obamas health care expanded care to millions and millions. Made their lives better. Trump tried doing the exact opposite, while saying he was going to expand care. Obama wasn't corrupt, Trump totally is. Obama is a good person and ran the executive branch is a decent, morally affirmative way. Trump is a bore, immoral and panders to the worst instincts of people. He divides the country and panders to a murderous dictator  that hates our very system. 

 

Trumps a criminal. He is dirty, corrupt and incompetent. Would you have paid money to go to Trump University? 

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