Week 13's edition of Rating the job security of every NFL head coach: Who's on thin ice?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Rating the job security of every NFL head coach: Who's on thin ice?

I tried to search for the other thread I had on this but I gave up after 12 pages ..... 

 

Rating 5: Hot seat
Green Bay Packers (4-6-1) Coach: Mike McCarthy (125-76-2 over 13 seasons)

New York Jets (3-8)
Coach: Todd Bowles (23-36 over four seasons)

 

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4-7)
Coach: Dirk Koetter (18-25 over three seasons)

 

Rating 4: Warm seat

Arizona Cardinals (2-9)  [We've discussed that its too early for this] 
Coach: Steve Wilks (new coach)

 

Baltimore Ravens (6-5)
Coach: John Harbaugh (100-71 over 11 seasons)

 

Cincinnati Bengals (5-6)
Coach: Marvin Lewis (130-118-3 over 16 seasons)

 

Dallas Cowboys (6-5)  [Jerry will do Jerry things)
Coach: Jason Garrett (73-58 over nine seasons)

 

Jacksonville Jaguars (3-8)
Coach: Doug Marrone (14-15 over three seasons)

 

Washington Redskins (6-5)
Coach: Jay Gruden (34-40-1 over five seasons)

 

 

Rating 1: Cold seat

Buffalo Bills (4-7)
Coach: Sean McDermott (13-14 over two seasons) 

[CommonCents]

Fire 

Mike Mccarthy

Dirk Koetter

Marvin Lewis

Adam Gase

Giants GM and coach

 

Vance Joseph and the Broncos have a nice schedule and I expect a late season push. I don’t think he is a great coach but they might make playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I agree with all the fives and most of the fours, though to be honest, I'd give Marrone another year.  Hard to fire a guy who was less than one quarter of football away from last years SB.  Could put more of the blame there on Tom C for not getting a better QB.   And barring a complete late season flop, I'd give Garrett another season too.

 

If you're going to fire a head coach, you also better have an idea that you can find a better replacement as opposed to re-cycling someone else's failure.

Edited November 28, 2018 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[wppete]

Fire 

 

Mike Mccarthy

Dirk Koetter

Doug Marone

 

Move Marvin Lewis to the Bengals front office. 

 

[eball]

14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I agree with all the fives and most of the fours, though to be honest, I'd give Marrone another year.  Hard to fire a guy who was less than one quarter of football away from last years SB.  Could put more of the blame there on Tom C for not getting a better QB.   And barring a complete late season flop, I'd give Garrett another season too.

 

If you're going to fire a head coach, you also better have an idea that you can find a better replacement as opposed to re-cycling someone else's failure.

 

I don't think Saint Doug will be fired.  He has the Bortles excuse as well as Fournette's injury, and he already jettisoned his scapegoat when he fired Nathaniel earlier this week.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

21 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Fire 

Mike Mccarthy

Dirk Koetter

Marvin Lewis

Adam Gase

Giants GM and coach

 

Vance Joseph and the Broncos have a nice schedule and I expect a late season push. I don’t think he is a great coach but they might make playoffs. 

 

Gase does seem to be on the hot seat again.  

 

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

I don't think Saint Doug will be fired.  He has the Bortles excuse as well as Fournette's injury, and he already jettisoned his scapegoat when he fired Nathaniel earlier this week.

He's lost the team in a way.   Last season he was a tough HC and  he may have lightened up on the tough love.  Now look at them.

 

Shooting their mouths off in the offseason and when his "best player" comes back gets into a fight and gets suspended.  

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

My only quibble would be with Marvin Lewis; it was hit or miss for a minute before this season if he would be coming back so in light of the latest Bengals implosion I’d say move him back to DEFCON 5 hot. However, ownership has already given him more undeserved longevity than that enjoyed by the highway robber Hue Jackson (ironically now employed by the same FO so that’s about as guaranteed job security outside of a federal government job as you can get), so you’re probably right that your current group of 5’s still go first, especially Bowles, aka the anti-Batman of “Gotham City” ?

Edited November 28, 2018 by NoHuddleKelly12

[eball]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

He's lost the team in a way.   Last season he was a tough HC and  he may have lightened up on the tough love.  Now look at them.

 

Shooting their mouths off in the offseason and when his "best player" comes back gets into a fight and gets suspended.  

 

 

I agree -- I just think because of the relationship with Coughlin he'll survive at least one more year.  At the end of the day, though, I don't think he's a very good head coach.  Some may believe I feel that way because of how he left Buffalo but it's not that at all.  He has not proven himself to be anything other than a roughly .500 coach in 4+ seasons, and he has had elite defenses at both places.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I think Lewis is out

mccarthy

bowles

harbaugh

koetter

maybe Gase if it gets real sideways

also if Atlanta can’t get it back to decent, it could be over there too. Starting to look more and more like Shanahan was the reason they were real good.

Edited November 28, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[GunnerBill]

I am pretty sure Marrone is safe. He is getting a chance with a Quarterback not name Blake Bortles next year.

 

All 3 of your "5" rated are gone. I still think Vance Joseph is a very warm seat. It is true to say that their schedule is no too bad the next few weeks - but if they end up worse than 8-8 on that schedule I think he will be out of a job. Elway nearly fired him last year. Steve Wilkes in Arizona is almost certainly safe but should almost certainly be fired. He is way, way out of his depth. Arizona is a pretty stable place though I think he will get a 2nd year. I just don't expect it to get any better.

 

Magic Marvin's magic might finally run out and I think if Washington completely collapses down the stretch then despite the Smith injury the blame will fall on Gruden.

 

Jason Garrett and John Harbaugh will be fine.

 

[Happy]

2 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Fire 

Mike Mccarthy

Dirk Koetter

Marvin Lewis

Adam Gase

Giants GM and coach

 

Vance Joseph and the Broncos have a nice schedule and I expect a late season push. I don’t think he is a great coach but they might make playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

 

Gettleman and Shurmur are in their first season as GM and HC.  I doubt they get fired, even with the bad year that NYG has had.

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Jason Garrett and John Harbaugh will be fine.

 

I thought Harbaugh and the Ravens will have a mutual parting of ways after this season...has that changed?

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Gettleman and Shurmur are in their first season as GM and HC.  I doubt they get fired, even with the bad year that NYG has had.

 

Any update on Gettleman's health? I think that is the key question. If he is healthy I think he gets another year and by extension Schurmer is safe. If Gettleman has to step down then a new GM might well want his own coach.

3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I thought Harbaugh and the Ravens will have a mutual parting of ways after this season...has that changed?

 

If they have a winning season I can't see him being fired. This week is big for them. Beat Atlanta and the worst record I see them ending with is 9-7.

[dpberr]

Pat Shurmur and John Harbaugh are good as gone IMO.  Shurmur's team is listless.  I think the Baltimore owner wants a new direction.  

I think this year is going to have a lot of vacancies.  Everybody wants the next Sean McVay.  

[dollars 2 donuts]

Am I the only one that is shocked that Garrett has been the HC in Dallas for 9 season now?

 

Why does it seem like yesterday that Wade was the Coach of that team?!

[RyanC883]

McCarthy in Green Bay is handicapped by an incompetent GM and Rodgers huge contract.   I'd keep him.  If they can him, he'll be picked up by the Jets.  I don't want that. 

 

Bowles has to be on the hottest seat, followed by Lewis and Gase. 

Just now, dpberr said:

Pat Shurmur and John Harbaugh are good as gone IMO.  Shurmur's team is listless.  I think the Baltimore owner wants a new direction.  

I think this year is going to have a lot of vacancies.  Everybody wants the next Sean McVay.  

 

Lincoln Riley (HC-Oklahoma) is about to cash in BIG TIME!

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

Pat Shurmur and John Harbaugh are good as gone IMO.  Shurmur's team is listless.  I think the Baltimore owner wants a new direction.  

I think this year is going to have a lot of vacancies.  Everybody wants the next Sean McVay.  

 

If so then I say Merilu Henner is the next great coaching prospect.

 

Like McVay she is another one of those people that can remember every day of their life.  

 

 

@TheBeane

 

Beane, people like MckVay and Henner are crazy...you can pick any moment or day in their life and they can remember what they did or were doing.

 

They've quizzed MckVay on plays called years before in games and he has gotten them right...and not just big plays.

Edited November 28, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[ProcessAccepted]

2 hours ago, wppete said:

Fire 

 

Mike Mccarthy

Dirk Koetter

Doug Marone

 

Move Marvin Lewis to the Bengals front office. 

 

I've often wondered how McCarthy would do coaching a team that doesn't have Rodgers. If when AR was hurt was what it'd be like then it wasn't pretty.

[Happy]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Any update on Gettleman's health? I think that is the key question. If he is healthy I think he gets another year and by extension Schurmer is safe. If Gettleman has to step down then a new GM might well want his own coach.

 

If they have a winning season I can't see him being fired. This week is big for them. Beat Atlanta and the worst record I see them ending with is 9-7.

 

Haven't seen anything on Gettleman's health since articles from last July, which stated his cancer is in remission.  I'm sure he's keeping this private with discussion only with ownership; can't blame him there.

 

I don't see Harbaugh being fired, either.  I was thinking back to a month, or so, ago when articles appeared that Harbaugh and the Ravens will amicably part ways.  If they make the playoffs, hard to see Harbaugh forced out; he would leave because he wants to.

[Captain Hindsight]

My bet is:

 

Lewis

McCarthy

Harbaugh (Mutual Parting) 

Bowles

Wilkes (Arizona is horrendous)

Koetter

Gase

Marrone - This would be the most shocking but that team has completely lost its way and its about to hit salary cap hell. Coughlin would be wise to cut bait and give someone with an actual plan besides some quitter.

[BuffaloHokie13]

I wonder if Bowles gets a second shot in AZ since that's where he made his jump to HC from when he was DC under Arians.

[jr1]

Bowles, McCarthy, Koetter, Lewis, Harbaugh. I think Doug gets a pass for making the playoffs last year and Gase because Tannehill was hurt

[GRHater69]

If we sweep Miami and the Jets maybe we could get both coaches fired. Losing to the Bills lately seems to cost people their jobs just ask Nate Hackett. Dougie Fresh probably gets another year, but their owner should be looking at the off-the-field issues in London with some of their players and the Fournette brawl and ask Stalag Coughlin and St. Doug "where's the discipline?"

 

 

[TheBeane]

2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

If so then I say Merilu Henner is the next great coaching prospect.

 

Like McVay she is another one of those people that can remember every day of their life.  

 

 

@TheBeane

 

Beane, people like MckVay and Henner are crazy...you can pick any moment or day in their life and they can remember what they did or were doing.

 

They've quizzed MckVay on plays called years before in games and he has gotten them right...and not just big plays.

 

Thanks for the clarification!  That's freaking crazy.  I also had no idea who Merilu Henner was either though and had to do an imdb search haha.

[dollars 2 donuts]

5 minutes ago, TheBeane said:

 

Thanks for the clarification!  That's freaking crazy.  I also had no idea who Merilu Henner was either though and had to do an imdb search haha.

 

 

and, TheBeane, I'm telling you they asked MckVay during an interview during Real Sports something like "What did you do in 2015, on the third series, on second down in the second quarter at midfield , the fourth game of the season against Miami?"

 

MckVay: "yeah, we called a TE crossing pattern."

 

...and then they show the clip and it is what they ran.

 

Freaky.

 

Henner has done interviews on this for years.

Edited November 28, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Gettleman and Shurmur are in their first season as GM and HC.  I doubt they get fired, even with the bad year that NYG has had.

 

 

I was gonna say, I thought the Giants just cleaned house.  They will draft their QB in April and be off on their rebuild.

 

I'm not sure what it will take for Marvin Lewis to be fired.  At this point I just assume it'll never happen.

[GoBills808]

Gase for me. Looks in over his head.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

My only quibble would be with Marvin Lewis; it was hit or miss for a minute before this season if he would be coming back so in light of the latest Bengals implosion I’d say move him back to DEFCON 5 hot. However, ownership has already given him more undeserved longevity than that enjoyed by the highway robber Hue Jackson (ironically now employed by the same FO so that’s about as guaranteed job security outside of a federal government job as you can get), so you’re probably right that your current group of 5’s still go first, especially Bowles, aka the anti-Batman of “Gotham City” ?

 

If they fire Lewis and keep Hue as HC...  they are certainly DOOMED 

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

I agree -- I just think because of the relationship with Coughlin he'll survive at least one more year.  At the end of the day, though, I don't think he's a very good head coach.  Some may believe I feel that way because of how he left Buffalo but it's not that at all.  He has not proven himself to be anything other than a roughly .500 coach in 4+ seasons, and he has had elite defenses at both places.

Coughlin saved his sorry butt last season.  

 

He can't carry him forever.  

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

Can I list Belichick as a sure fire? Please.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

With Dan Snyder's history of firing coaches following short tenures, it's interesting that Gruden is still around.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

The counter to this thread on ESPN

 

The hottest NFL coaching candidates: Don't rule out Josh McDaniels

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/HotRead-20181128/hottest-nfl-head-coaching-candidates-2018-2019-next-wave-coaches

 

Bounce-backers

These are current head coaches who could lose their jobs but find new ones elsewhere quickly.

John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens. There's a strong consensus that a team (Denver?) would jump to hire Harbaugh if the Ravens miss the playoffs for the fourth year in a row and decide to move on.

Mike McCarthy, Green Bay Packers. A little more skepticism around McCarthy as an immediate, Andy Reid-style bounce-back, but it's possible, and he has a lot of friends in that Cleveland front office.

 

 

Josh McDaniels screwed over the Colts  because the Cheats "talked him out of it" with a promise to replace BB. 

[Doc Brown]

30 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

With Dan Snyder's history of firing coaches following short tenures, it's interesting that Gruden is still around.

I think if they don't win the division and miss the playoffs this year he's gone considering it's a weak division.  They may give him the Alex Smith got hurt benefit of the doubt, but they've been a mediocre team the last four seasons with only one playoff game to show for it.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I think if they don't win the division and miss the playoffs this year he's gone considering it's a weak division.  They may give him the Alex Smith got hurt benefit of the doubt, but they've been a mediocre team the last four seasons with only one playoff game to show for it.

That seems to be what saved his bacon before.  Making the playoffs