LSHMEAB Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 9 hours ago, The Drought said: The Jets were 7 1/2 point favorites, with Darnold out does it go to 10 or 10 1/2. Actually down to 6.5, which is kind of surprising. McCown is much better than Darnold. Maybe they assume he'll be rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, mattynh said: If it is beneficial to lose, rest assured, this team will find a way to win. I'll never get over our big time win against Carolina in 2001. It was awesome! We ended up with fat Mike Williams and they got Julius Peppers. The draft is always hit or miss so I'm not a proponent of tanking, but that win was costly. Edited November 8, 2018 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I'll never get over our big time win against Carolina in 2001. It was awesome! We ended up with fat Mike Williams and they got Julius Peppers. The draft is always hit or miss so I'm not a proponent of tanking, but that win was costly. Peppers could have busted and Williams might still be playing OL if roles were reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 20 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Now is not the time to be winning these kinds of games. Peterman all the way. The Bills don't have to try. It just comes naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 9 hours ago, klos63 said: So by losing most of their games they will become a winning organization.... like Cleveland did? So if Allen comes in and plays well, we win 4 or 5 games the rest of the season and that would be bad? Nope, not at all! My point is many on this board cannot grasp that from 2001 until 2016 this was a failed organization and needed a complete rebuild. Many expected 2018 to be a rough season, if Josh Allen comes on and we start winning games that is a step forward! A huge step forward! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Win baby! Tanking leaves a dark cancer in the locker room which is hard to get rid of --- ask the Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 If the Bills were trying to tank they would've kept Phillip Gaines as our starting CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) The people who want to tank are not real fans. What FA is going to want to come to a team like this? We can always overpay and end up in cap hell again while the next GM clears house again and loses and overpays for FAs. This is the cycle the Bills constantly put themselves in. This league is about winning now, not building a winner 10 years from now with an overpriced roster. I hope OP and the fake fans dont own any businesses... Edited November 8, 2018 by Gigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 9 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I'll never get over our big time win against Carolina in 2001. It was awesome! We ended up with fat Mike Williams and they got Julius Peppers. The draft is always hit or miss so I'm not a proponent of tanking, but that win was costly. Yep, we passed on LT Bryant McKinney, a player who had a long distinguished career and Drafted Mike Williams, a RIGHT Tackle with weight issues and a chronic ankle injury. The insanity will stop in 2019!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Yep, we passed on LT Bryant McKinney, a player who had a long distinguished career and Drafted Mike Williams, a RIGHT Tackle with weight issues and a chronic ankle injury. The insanity will stop in 2019!!! Yeah, but McKinnie had some character flags and big fat Mike was a "good kid." Donahoe taught me that drafting character over talent is a great way to lose your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Yeah, but McKinnie had some character flags and big fat Mike was a "good kid." Donahoe taught me that drafting character over talent is a great way to lose your job. McKinnie did have some issues. Imo, if he worked harder and partied less he would have been Orlando Pace great. Instead, he was only Jumbo Elliot great. McKinnie would have made a very big difference on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said: McKinnie did have some issues. Imo, if he worked harder and partied less he would have been Orlando Pace great. Instead, he was only Jumbo Elliot great. McKinnie would have made a very big difference on our team. Fair enough. McKinnie may very well have had a better career if he was more dedicated to the craft. He still had a damn good one. My overall point is that I'd rather draft talent and hope they pull it together than draft a lunchpail guy with a limited ceiling. Even drafting character is a crapshoot. Zay Jones was supposedly a high character guy and he ended up running through an apartment complex in LA crusading for Jesus or something or other. I have concerns McBeane places too much emphasis on character. Overall, their drafts have been decent, so it may be an unwarranted concern. I'm no fan of Allen, but he and Edwards certainly aren't limited physically in any way, shape or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) On 11/7/2018 at 8:24 AM, Ramza86 said: Now is not the time to be winning these kinds of games. Peterman all the way. Did the Bills get a new OC? NO Did the Bills actually get a WR that can catch? NO Did the Bills get a new OL? NO That all adds up to a strong possibility that the Bills will LOSE. Edited November 8, 2018 by Yav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 This is such a game that is so meaningless that the Bills will win. It’s a tradition and I think I’m going to bet some money on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, Yav said: Did the Bills get a new OC? NO Did the Bills actually get a WR that can catch? NO Did the Bills get a new OL? NO That all adds up to a strong possibility that the Bills will LOOSE. Did you win the spelling bee?...NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This is such a game that is so meaningless that the Bills will win. It’s a tradition and I think I’m going to bet some money on them. Your right, in past years the very Billsy thing to do was win this game & lament about it next April when we are one spot out of landing a blue chip prospect but.....fear not, with Darnold sidelined & Mccown starting, a guy that actually knows how to put points up on the board, there is no chance the Bill are winning this game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Kyle says get the F out of here with that losing crap and Tre' white's gonna knock you out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:36 AM, vorpma said: You have have no concept whatsoever! The games are played to be won. Isn't that a laid concept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:31 AM, Johnny Hammersticks said: I have stated recently that I am warming up to the idea of shelving Josh Allen for the rest of the season. If Derek Anderson is healthy enough he is playing on Sunday. McD has stated as much. I am fine with riding out DA and Matt Barkley to finish the season and secure a top 3-5 pick. I never want to see Peterman under center again though. Be careful what you wish for..you really think Anderson ,and especially Barkley, would play better than Peterman vs. Jets? I think as soon as we get the word about Allen and Anderson being healthy, Barkley will be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Yav said: Did the Bills get a new OC? NO Did the Bills actually get a WR that can catch? NO Did the Bills get a new OL? NO That all adds up to a strong possibility that the Bills will LOOSE. Or lose. One or the other at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 18 hours ago, #34fan said: Relax... The Jets can score points. We cant. -The end. This! Plus McNown is starting and he will get some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 59 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: The games are played to be won. Isn't that a laid concept? Sure, we can almost go .500 for the next twenty years thinking next year - we are so close when in reality we are truly a sub .500 team; 2001 - 2016. Or we can rebuild with competent scouting, drafting, FA signings and become a true playoff team with longevity. You choose! How about that as a concept rather than the temper tantrum "I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW AND IF NOT I WANT EVERYBODY FIRED - YEARLY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 no way, the value of a higher draft pickm is way less than the value of Josh Allen winning games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 If Allen plays I would like to see him making the right reads and throwing accurate passes and hopefully win the game. If Allen isn't playing I hope we loose this game for the better draft pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 9:33 AM, Captain Hindsight said: Dude eff that. I hate the Jets. I hope we make Darnold look like a joke and Allen throws 6 Tds in his return There is a reason why Captain´s is the most liked post in the thread! these guys are professionals and can ¨shut´off¨ their competitive juices, even when, from a fan perspective, and even more in the middle of defeat, seems they are bouncing balls from their tummies right intp rival CB´s hands, just to lose! at the end...there are 2 types of fans, in regards of being easily influenced by such competitive / rivalry spirit or not and this this crazy ideas of ¨tanking is smart¨ ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Or lose. One or the other at least. Haha....I didn’t even notice that. Haha that’s some funny ***** right there. 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Did you win the spelling bee?...NO I don’t mind, it’s a funny typo and I’m getting a good laugh out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, vorpma said: Sure, we can almost go .500 for the next twenty years thinking next year - we are so close when in reality we are truly a sub .500 team; 2001 - 2016. Or we can rebuild with competent scouting, drafting, FA signings and become a true playoff team with longevity. You choose! How about that as a concept rather than the temper tantrum "I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW AND IF NOT I WANT EVERYBODY FIRED - YEARLY! Last Bills playoff win was in 1995. You're right, these people have no patience! You should see my 25 year plan I am working on! I'm going to start a thread about it. If we play our cards right, we are going to be a seriously tough team to beat in 2043! Mark your calendar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Last Bills playoff win was in 1995. You're right, these people have no patience! You should see my 25 year plan I am working on! I'm going to start a thread about it. If we play our cards right, we are going to be a seriously tough team to beat in 2043! Mark your calendar. And this current regime, in place for less than two years, is at fault for the 23 years without a playoff win! Interesting concept at play here. But I can tell by your post your on top of things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:24 AM, Ramza86 said: Now is not the time to be winning these kinds of games. Peterman all the way. Why? What are we trying to tank for? This draft is littered with wr talent to be had 10 through round 3. Or are we tanking for the LT? There are 3 of those. I am not interested in Bosa or Oliver so much Greedy Williams doesnt excite me either. I need offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpmfla Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I don't think the NFL draft is like the NBA draft. In the NBA, a team needs a top 3 pick 2 or 3 years in a row...or get really lucky with a lower pick...to really make a major difference. The NFL draft is significantly deeper, with quality players well down the list. Only when there is a "sure fire" superstar does a team need a top pick. The problem isn't that the Bills don't get high draft picks, it is that they either haven't done a good job of evaluating players or that they haven't gotten lucky with lower round picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 As much as it makes sense to lose this game and complete the tank properly. I still hope for the following 1. We see Allen again and he plays well 2. we never see Peterman or Anderson in a Bills uniform ever again. 3. Darnold looks bad and makes our pick look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:36 AM, zow2 said: I'm off any "Let's lose" talk. Win the game. Win every game and get Allen in there now. I don't care if he takes his lumps. Im with ya. Allen going 7 straight would be so much bigger then a draft spot for me. But, hey, Im just a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:53 AM, Steptide said: I might sound a little ignorant, but now that we've drafted our franchise qb(hopefully) I don't find as important to have a top 3 or 5 pick. Unless there's a franchise qb another team covets and you get a king's ransom to trade down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Hill Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:38 AM, Johnny Hammersticks said: If Barkley was up to speed with the playbook, and Derek was ready to go for Sunday, I don’t think Peterman would still be on the roster. We know who he is. Experiment over....horse beaten post mortem. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Buffalo Bills win! NY Jets looking for a better 2019 draft position, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Just read through this thread....Showed me that some people who post in this forum have absolutely NO CLUE about the Bills, Jets, and NFL football. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:21 PM, #34fan said: Relax... The Jets can score points. We cant. -The end. Any updates on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 Jesus christ boys....we found a way to lose by winning. What a sad day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I hope we win out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Based on the remaining schedule we could be looking at home wins against the Jags, Lions, Jets and Dolphins. Only Pats (loss) and Dolphins (potential win), could leave our final record at 7-9 and possibly (8-8). The good thing is that a top WR would be available at a top 16 pick. I'm hoping for Arizona State WR Nakhel Harry. Then in Round 2 and OT to replace Mills, then a C in round 3, Then picks for quality depth based on what we don't pick-up in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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