Why did Rex only get 2 years?

[keepthefaith]

I think the real question here is why did he get a contract at all? 

[Bill from NYC]

5 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

This is getting old.

 

Mario went on strike, we had a lot of injuries (especially DBs), Gilmore decided that tackling was not part of his job, we did not have a first round pick prior to his first year, and both our top picks prior to his second year were hurt or got hurt.

 

Whatever.  If you think that Rex does not know defense, that is up to you.

He did seem to, I agree. Perhaps he didn't like playing cornerback whereas Rex kept sending him back in coverage.

[Luka]

7 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

This is getting old.

 

Mario went on strike, we had a lot of injuries (especially DBs), Gilmore decided that tackling was not part of his job, we did not have a first round pick prior to his first year, and both our top picks prior to his second year were hurt or got hurt.

 

Whatever.  If you think that Rex does not know defense, that is up to you.

 

The results spoke for themselves. And obviously all 32 teams agree with my assessment of him as coach because he isn't a coach anymore. He lived off of Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and once he didn't have those caliber of players his scheme was garbage. Rob ran the same scheme every where he went and it was a failure every time.

[Peter]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

He did seem to, I agree. Perhaps he didn't like playing cornerback whereas Rex kept sending him back in coverage.

 

Mario did the same thing with the Dolphins when he took their money . . . even though he had claimed they were running the scheme he wanted.

 

 

Just now, Luka said:

 

The results spoke for themselves. And obviously all 32 teams agree with my assessment of him as coach because he isn't a coach anymore. He lived off of Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and once he didn't have those caliber of players his scheme was garbage. Rob ran the same scheme every where he went and it was a failure every time.

 

Rex is getting paid a lot of money to work one day a week.  It is the same with Cowher and others.  Not a bad gig.  Also, it is a lot better than having to put up with some of the hysterical criticism. 

[Luka]

4 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Mario did the same thing with the Dolphins when he took their money . . . even though he had claimed they were running the scheme he wanted.

 

 

 

Rex is getting paid a lot of money to work one day a week.  It is the same with Cowher and others.  Not a bad gig.  Also, it is a lot better than having to put up with some of the hysterical criticism. 

 

Not a bad gig for someone who can't coach worth a *****, I agree.  Gruden probably should've kept his one day a week gig too.

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, Peter said:

 

Mario did the same thing with the Dolphins when he took their money . . . even though he had claimed they were running the scheme he wanted.

 

 

The Bills defense was strong with Schwartz and even Petit. Rex came in and ruined it and the entire team, with help of course from his inept brother.

 

Actually, Gilmore and Rex deserved each other imo. They were both lazy and content to cash their huge, undeserved checks at the expense of Bills Fans, and the people who wrote said checks.

 

 

[Iverwig]

9 hours ago, Peter said:

 

The following is not a popular opinion on this board:

 

As much as I love the Pegulas, it was a huge mistake firing Rex.  There is no way a coach should be fired in less than two years --- especially a coach who had been the most successful coach for the Buffalo Bills for the past nearly two decades and who was being undermined behind the scenes with leaks etc.  Rex should have been allowed to at least continue for the term of his contract.

 

To put things in perspective, the point differential was much worse last year than the year before and the relative offensive and defensive rankings were worse last year than the year before.  

 

As much as Rex got grief for having11 men on the field (when, as it turns out, a DB got hurt and a defensive back coach presumably did not send a replacement in the game), Rex never had 15 freaking guys on the field as McCoach did last year against the Pats.  I do not think that I ever have seen any other team or coach have 15 guys on the field at the same time.  

 

Rex also had personality whereas the current guy is McMilktoast and cannot help repeating his stolen mantra the "process."  McCoach is Dick Jauron without the charisma.  Between  his personality and what he has done with the team, he has sucked the life out of the team (and my view of the team under him).

 

I would take Rex over the current guy and thought it was unfair to undermine and then fire Rex in less than two years. As I state above, Rex should have been allowed to at least coach the team through the term of his contract.

 

As much as I am not particularly impressed with McCoach, I also think that it would be unfair to fire him in less than two years.

 

 

 

Both sucked but let’s not lose sight that the Bills were Rex’ second head gig while this is McD’s first. 

[Peter]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

The Bills defense was strong with Schwartz and even Petit. Rex came in and ruined it and the entire team, with help of course from his inept brother.

 

Actually, Gilmore and Rex deserved each other imo. They were both lazy and content to cash their huge, undeserved checks at the expense of Bills Fans, and the people who wrote said checks.

 

 

 

Clearly, I disagree.   I did like both Pettine and Schwartz though.

 

P.S.  I do not recall that Schwartz ever lifted a finger to try to get Mario to go to the Eagles.

 

P.P.S. The Bills had a bunch of injuries on defense as I recall (particularly among the DBs) in addition to Mario being on strike and Gilmore deciding that tackling was not part of the job.  Rex also did not have the benefit of having a first round pick his first year or healthy top two draft choices his second.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

He did seem to, I agree. Perhaps he didn't like playing cornerback whereas Rex kept sending him back in coverage.

 

I'm not sure he did actually.... I thought so at the time... he tried despite being horribly misused until the London game and then after the bye seemed to jack it in after that. But I now think he just hit the wall. He went to Miami and looked totally finished the next season. I think his body just gave up on him.

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, Peter said:

 

Clearly, I disagree.   I did like both Pettine and Schwartz though.

 

P.S.  I do not recall that Schwartz ever lifted a finger to try to get Mario to go to the Eagles.

 

P.P.S. The Bills had a bunch of injuries on defense as I recall (particularly among the DBs) in addition to Mario being on strike and Gilmore deciding that tackling was not part of the job.  Rex also did not have the benefit of having a first round pick his first year or healthy top two draft choices his second.

Rex drafted Shaq, no?

[Peter]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not sure he did actually.... I thought so at the time... he tried despite being horribly misused until the London game and then after the bye seemed to jack it in after that. But I now think he just hit the wall. He went to Miami and looked totally finished the next season. I think his body just gave up on him.

 

Both Mario and his body gave up.

 

P.S. Although I loved Arsene and did not want to see him go, I completely support Unai Emery.  He is such a better coach than McCoach . . . seems to even be more articulate in English than McCoach.

3 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Rex drafted Shaq, no?

 

When was Shaq finally able to step on the field?

 

When did Shaq actually fully recover from his surgery?

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Rex is getting paid a lot of money to work one day a week.  It is the same with Cowher and others.  Not a bad gig.  Also, it is a lot better than having to put up with some of the hysterical criticism. 

 

He won't ever get offered an NFL HC gig again. If he wanted to be a DC there would be offers, but not as many as in the past, because (and this isn't so much Rex's fault as the Pegulas for not noticing it) the NFL has increasingly moved away from the Rex Ryan style of defense. Most teams having success now get pressure with their front 4, use the blitz sparingly, play a safety in the box and a zone based cover 3 behind. That isn't Rex's scheme.

1 minute ago, Peter said:

P.S. Although I loved Arsene and did not want to see him go, I completely support Unai Emery.  He is such a better coach than McCoach . . . seems to even be more articulate in English than McCoach.

 

I love the way he says EXPLAAAIIIN with about 9 vowels in the middle of the word. So far, so good. Thought they played really well on Saturday and were slightly unlucky not to win. I was a massive Arsene fan but I think it probably was time. Not because he didn't still know the job but because he had become so divisive among the fan base it was stopping the club moving forward in a unified manner. When they went 1-0 down on Saturday the stadium let out a massive roar of encouragement as the boys kicked off. Last season that would have been met by a chorus of boos. That stuff might sound insignificant but I think it had got to the point where it was detrimental. 

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

9 hours ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said:

If my memory serves me correct this season is much worse than a couple years ago under Rex. Under Rex the team was very competitive and was almost in every single game that is played. Why did Ryan only get 2 years but with McDermott it's an automatic that he's coming back?

 

?

 

 

Rex was a "defensive guru" who took over a team with a literally Super Bowl caliber defense that regressed significantly when he took over. Rex took over a good team, that should have become great under him. Our offense needs a total overhaul. Whether or not McBeane is doing it the right way can certainly be questioned. But it's apparent that it had to be done, so it's only fair to see what they can do with this big chunk of money we're gonna have this offseason. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by The Real Buffalo Joe

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Rex's defense not performing, the players criticizing his defense, his brother joining the staff, the Clemson helmets and bike riding, along with the in-fighting with Whaley. 

 

I think the owner took his team back. 

 

Now, clearly you look back, and Whaley, yes Whaley, assembled more talent than Beane or McDermott has so far. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Rex was a "defensive guru" who took over a team with a literally Super Bowl caliber defense that regressed significantly when he took over. 

 

"Fourth in the league is probably a little disappointing, to be honest with you, because that's not where my expectations are. I know we'll lead the league in defense. That's just the way it goes."

[Doc]

Is the OP saying that the Bills should have kept Wrecks longer or that McD should be shown the door after this year, if not right now?  In any case, I'd say that making the playoffs last year and having $58M in dead cap this year because of moves Beane made, while the defense is doing very well, buys him at least another season.  If anyone is on the hot seat, it's Beane.

[TwistofFate]

6 hours ago, Skins Malone said:

Dick Jauron had charisma?  That I dont recall.

 

[ngbills]

The top 5 to 

59 minutes ago, Luka said:

Top 5 defense to one of the worst in the league and your forte is defense. Then you bring in one of the worst defense coordinators in the league, your brother, to really drive the nail in the coffin. Rex is a damn clown.

This is so overused and untrue. Yes they were 4th the year before Rex got here. But that was a big jump from the 20's for a few years in a row before. It was not some sustained amazing defense that Rex destroyed. It happens all the time a Defense gets better for a year and then regresses. 

And they never became the worst or one of the worst under Rex. They dropped to 15th or middle of the pack. That kind of drop happens all the time. 

Even more, the offense actually improved under Rex. So in some ways the tam was becoming more balanced.

 

[Peter]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

He won't ever get offered an NFL HC gig again. If he wanted to be a DC there would be offers, but not as many as in the past, because (and this isn't so much Rex's fault as the Pegulas for not noticing it) the NFL has increasingly moved away from the Rex Ryan style of defense. Most teams having success now get pressure with their front 4, use the blitz sparingly, play a safety in the box and a zone based cover 3 behind. That isn't Rex's scheme.

 

Rex probably will not coach again in the NFL. 

 

After working terrible hours for nearly 365 days a year, I also cannot blame former head coaches like Cowher, Rex, and others to "take some time off" by working in the media.

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

Just now, Peter said:

 

Rex probably will not coach again in the NFL. 

 

After working terrible hours for nearly 365 days a year, I also cannot blame former head coaches like Cowher, Rex, and others to "take some time off" by working in the media.

Rex is also perfect for media. Even when he was on the Jets, there was something I really liked about Rex. He's got charisma. He's got much more football knowledge than most give him credit for. He's well spoken. He just doesn't have the discipline to be in charge of a whole football team.

[PrimeTime101]

10 hours ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said:

If my memory serves me correct this season is much worse than a couple years ago under Rex. Under Rex the team was very competitive and was almost in every single game that is played. Why did Ryan only get 2 years but with McDermott it's an automatic that he's coming back?

 

?

 

 

I would expect a post like this from someone new in these forums. if you can not figure out why Rex got canned.. either you didn't watch his games or your just another troll.

[dave mcbride]

7 hours ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said:

The defense was ranked 16th which is average.

 

Our current offense is averaging under 11 points a game and is ranked dead last. 

 

 

 

 

That defense finished 24th and 27th in D in his two seasons as measured by DVOA, which is a far better metric. It was second in the league (behind only Seattle) the year before he took over, and they finished 15th last season.

Edited November 5, 2018 by dave mcbride

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Rex probably will not coach again in the NFL. 

 

After working terrible hours for nearly 365 days a year, I also cannot blame former head coaches like Cowher, Rex, and others to "take some time off" by working in the media.

 

No nor can I. 

[McNubbins]

Because he was a defensive minded coach and our D was trash.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Peter said:

 

Clearly, I disagree. 

 

A couple things are certain:

 

1) Rex was not the one who leaked about himself;

 

2) Rex actually has coached two teams in the AFC championship game - something none of our other coaches not named Marv ever have done;

 

3) Rex was given every opportunity during press conferences in his last year of being the Bills head coach to point the finger elsewhere and he did not.  For example, in both years he was coach, he defended guys to a fault - even Mario who went on strike during games.  The one thing McCoach got right was he insisted on his own guy as the GM so that he would have a guy who would not undermine him. Rex should have done that especially after what he went through in NY with his last GM there. 

 

 

What is certain is that Rex took a 2 time AFCC game team and tow year later it was 6-10, two years after that it was 4-12.  After that 2nd AFCC game, he would not have a winning season again in NYJ. 

 

He was happy to let his defenders blame Idzik, who came on the scene well after the Rex wrecking of the Jets began.

 

Again, no HC has ever been done in by "leaks".  Only by poor coaching.  Rex was defective in that regard when the Pegulas hired him.  The result was predictable on day one.  He wasn't suddenly going to become a better HC.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[apuszczalowski]

It's pretty hilarious to see fans now with revisionist history on Rex's time here. He is gone because he was a horrible coach who never should have been hired in the first place. He took a good team on the up swing and made them worse. He took a really good defence and wrecked it because it wasnt his defence. The offence improved but wasnt great. He was a blowhard who would talk the talk buy couldnt walk the walk. He had a track record from his time in NY and that was that his teams never really got better, just slowly worse. Doesnt mean the new guys are any better though.

 

McDermott took over a mess here and in 2 years made one side better and the other even worse. The defence is at a point where they can be very good at times, and the offence is a complete clusterf**k.

 

The only reason McDermott and Beane would get more time is because they may have convinced the Pegulas when they interviewed that the team needed a complete rebuild and it would take time to do it and would involve tough times. Being a newer naive owner, they believed them that it's going to be a long, but worth it, rebuild process. But after last season getting into the playoffs despite their best to try not to (starting Peterman, trading away some of their top talent, etc.) They hurt themselves because they continued to make themselves worse instead of building off of what they had last year. In owner of a billion dollar franchise is going to want to know why they couldnt work with what they had and continue to build from there, instead of getting much worse and becoming a national laughingstock with the rest of the league. Making choices like continuing to start Peterman, not addressing the horrible offence, questionable coaching hires (WR to coach the QB needing the most development out of all the others in the draft?) and dumping talent to take on dead cap space may make the ownership think twice about letting them have more time. Usually you want to see teams showing signs of improvement, not taking additional steps back.

 

McDermott may just end up being a very good DC that is in over his head trying to build an entire team, they gambled on one of the "up and coming" coordinators at the time and it may fail. With Rex, there was plenty of tape on his coaching career and not much was good and it's why he is in a booth and not on a sideline.

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

What is certain is that Rex took a 2 time AFCC game team and tow year later it was 6-10, two years after that it was 4-12.  After that 2nd AFCC game, he would not have a winning season again in NYJ. 

 

He was happy to let his defenders blame Idzik, who came on the scene well after the Rex wrecking of the Jets began.

 

Again, no HC has ever been done in by "leaks".  Only by poor coaching.  Rex was defective in that regard when the Pegulas hired him.  The result was predictable on day one.  He wasn't suddenly going to become a better HC.

 

he had a personality and added some interest to the situation

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

he had a personality and added some interest to the situation

 

 

 

Turns out that's all he had.  The Jets found that out after a while, but the Bills ignored this.

[MrEpsYtown]

I think it was clear at the end that Rex had completely lost the team. They played with zero effort and did not believe in his coaching or scheme whatsoever. 

 

This team is still playing hard. They just suck. Vlad, Bodine, Miller are giving it everything they have, but they simply can't do it. 

 

McDermott needs to be careful over these next few games. I haven't seen signs of him losing the team, but he needs to tread lightly imo. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Peter said:

 

 

3) Rex was given every opportunity during press conferences in his last year of being the Bills head coach to point the finger elsewhere and he did not.  For example, in both years he was coach, he defended guys to a fault - even Mario who went on strike during games.  The one thing McCoach got right was he insisted on his own guy as the GM so that he would have a guy who would not undermine him. Rex should have done that especially after what he went through in NY with his last GM there. 

 

I'm not sure I agree with this. I think he did throw people under the bus. Coaches and players. Not by name but by inference. All the "I know what really happened" and "I said to them guys this is not my defense it's our defense" crap.

Edited November 5, 2018 by GunnerBill

[JMF2006]

11 hours ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said:

If my memory serves me correct this season is much worse than a couple years ago under Rex. Under Rex the team was very competitive and was almost in every single game that is played. Why did Ryan only get 2 years but with McDermott it's an automatic that he's coming back?

 

?

 

 

 

I would have gave him life.......in prison

[row_33]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Turns out that's all he had.  The Jets found that out after a while, but the Bills ignored this.

 

I was over at BBMB when Rex joined and many were declaring him a football genius just because he signed a contract with Buffalo

 

 

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

This team is still playing hard. They just suck. Vlad, Bodine, Miller are giving it everything they have, but they simply can't do it. 

 

Agree.

[ngbills]

40 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

It's pretty hilarious to see fans now with revisionist history on Rex's time here. He is gone because he was a horrible coach who never should have been hired in the first place. He took a good team on the up swing and made them worse. He took a really good defence and wrecked it because it wasnt his defence. The offence improved but wasnt great. He was a blowhard who would talk the talk buy couldnt walk the walk. He had a track record from his time in NY and that was that his teams never really got better, just slowly worse. Doesnt mean the new guys are any better though.

 

McDermott took over a mess here and in 2 years made one side better and the other even worse. The defence is at a point where they can be very good at times, and the offence is a complete clusterf**k.

 

The only reason McDermott and Beane would get more time is because they may have convinced the Pegulas when they interviewed that the team needed a complete rebuild and it would take time to do it and would involve tough times. Being a newer naive owner, they believed them that it's going to be a long, but worth it, rebuild process. But after last season getting into the playoffs despite their best to try not to (starting Peterman, trading away some of their top talent, etc.) They hurt themselves because they continued to make themselves worse instead of building off of what they had last year. In owner of a billion dollar franchise is going to want to know why they couldnt work with what they had and continue to build from there, instead of getting much worse and becoming a national laughingstock with the rest of the league. Making choices like continuing to start Peterman, not addressing the horrible offence, questionable coaching hires (WR to coach the QB needing the most development out of all the others in the draft?) and dumping talent to take on dead cap space may make the ownership think twice about letting them have more time. Usually you want to see teams showing signs of improvement, not taking additional steps back.

 

McDermott may just end up being a very good DC that is in over his head trying to build an entire team, they gambled on one of the "up and coming" coordinators at the time and it may fail. With Rex, there was plenty of tape on his coaching career and not much was good and it's why he is in a booth and not on a sideline.

He took a 9-7 team and went 8-8 and 7-8. That is pretty far from taking a good team and making it worse. While McD took his 8-8 and 7-8 team and made it 9-7  and that is called taking a mess and improving it. Its all the same. Reality is this year (McD team) is one of the worst ever in the NFL. None of this should be celebrated. Neither should have been hired. This team needs a football person running the show and the Pegulas are stubborn and hired a stubborn coach. 

 

 

[CircleTheWagons99]

10 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

Why hasn't Wrex been hired by another team?

 

 

 

In his defense, pun intended, he said himself the Bills job will be his last.  

[row_33]

14 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

In his defense, pun intended, he said himself the Bills job will be his last.  

 

Browns had a man there already

 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I would expect a post like this from someone new in these forums. if you can not figure out why Rex got canned.. either you didn't watch his games or your just another troll.

No, what I and many others don't understand is why McD is still here and gets pass after pass.  The dead cap and cap space is a pipe dream as no FA will come here unless grossly overpayed to play on the Offensive side of the ball.

[Peter]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

What is certain is that Rex took a 2 time AFCC game team and tow year later it was 6-10, two years after that it was 4-12.  After that 2nd AFCC game, he would not have a winning season again in NYJ. 

 

He was happy to let his defenders blame Idzik, who came on the scene well after the Rex wrecking of the Jets began.

 

Again, no HC has ever been done in by "leaks".  Only by poor coaching.  Rex was defective in that regard when the Pegulas hired him.  The result was predictable on day one.  He wasn't suddenly going to become a better HC.

 

I take it from the back and forth that you and I disagree.

 

God bless.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Peter

[apuszczalowski]

37 minutes ago, ngbills said:

He took a 9-7 team and went 8-8 and 7-8. That is pretty far from taking a good team and making it worse. While McD took his 8-8 and 7-8 team and made it 9-7  and that is called taking a mess and improving it. Its all the same. Reality is this year (McD team) is one of the worst ever in the NFL. None of this should be celebrated. Neither should have been hired. This team needs a football person running the show and the Pegulas are stubborn and hired a stubborn coach. 

 

 

I'm not disagreeing, but you have to look outside of just the record. Rex took a 9-7 team that was trending upwards under Marrone, and had one of the best defences and made it worse because he had to ditch that defence to install his own, and they became one of the worst defences. His record then trended downward just like in NY. McDermott inherited a team that had given up on the coach and trending down, got rid of some of the better talent, and they improved and squeaked into the playoffs. This year is a complete mess though and is a good reason I would have no problems with the Bill's canning him. With Rex tou had a background of his abilities as a HC, and it seemed to get worse every year (should have never been hired), with McDermott tou didnt have that, he was a highly respected DC that was supposed to be a potential up and coming HC candidate. Some of those guys succeed, others fail and find out they are only successful coordinators (cant fault them for trying). I can fault them for maybe giving such an inexperienced HC too much power and control over the roster and front office. It not fully clear if he chose Beane to work with him cause he knew he would be a pushover and allow him complete control, or if he chose him because they worked together in Carolina and he knew him very well and knew they believed the same things and could build something together.

[Peter]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not sure I agree with this. I think he did throw people under the bus. Coaches and players. Not by name but by inference. All the "I know what really happened" and "I said to them guys this is not my defense it's our defense" crap.

 

We disagree then.