Estelle Getty Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Many including me up until last week thought that Beane and McDermott are connected at the hip and that McDermott hand picked Bean. Even if this is true with things heading in this direction is it possible Beane lobbies for a coaching change? Judging from the moves Beane has made (the incredible amount of trades he has made for players and picks) he seems to be more of a new age NFL executive. Think Howie Roseman or Les Snead. What these types have in common is aggressive personel moves and aggressive coaches. Enter McDermott where you can not use the word aggressive and McDermott in the same sentence unless it is this one. I would have to think Beane knows the formula to beating the Patriots and other dominant teams is being more aggressive than they are. McDermott will never be that guy and Beane knows this. So I don’t think it would be a total shock for Beane to make a pitch to the Pegulas in an offensive league to go with a young innovative offense oriented mind. I would say it’s only about a 20% chance but at the same token it is larger than people may realize. 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKO NFL Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Estelle Getty said: Many including me up until last week thought that Beane and McDermott are connected at the hip and that McDermott hand picked Bean. Even if this is true with things heading in this direction is it possible Beane lobbies for a coaching change? Judging from the moves Beane has made (the incredible amount of trades he has made for players and picks) he seems to be more of a new age NFL executive. Think Howie Roseman or Les Snead. What these types have in common is aggressive personel moves and aggressive coaches. Enter McDermott where you can not use the word aggressive and McDermott in the same sentence unless it is this one. I would have to think Beane knows the formula to beating the Patriots and other dominant teams is being more aggressive than they are. McDermott will never be that guy and Beane knows this. So I don’t think it would be a total shock for Beane to make a pitch to the Pegulas in an offensive league to go with a young innovative offense oriented mind. I would say it’s only about a 20% chance but at the same token it is larger than people may realize. No...100% speculation and conjecture. You did however suck me in with a provocative subject. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I don’t see any scenario where McDermott is let go this offseason. I know the coaches and gm are being judged extremely harshly and deservedly so, but I honestly don’t think they’ve shown their true skills yet. McDermott has coached two teams that really lack talent or experience, that severely limits what you can call, what gambles you can make, and what confidence you have in your team to execute. I see a lot of “fire Daboll” “fire McDermott” etc etc but these guys can scheme and call any play in the world, doesn’t mean anything if the players cannot execute it. Daboll has called some great plays and schemed some great routes and the quarterbacks miss the open guy. Plays where there’s good protection the receiver runs a lazy route or drops the ball. Good run and there’s holding. This season has really been the perfect storm of inexperienced and under talented offense. No matter what beane and McDermott and Daboll are here next year. Crossman and Castillo and even Frazier might have a little sweat on their brow though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomper Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I've never seen any separation in philosophy between the two but it's an interesting theory. However, a power play on the part of Beane is silly. He hasn't won anything and has no provable track record as a GM in the league. Now, if he can lobby for an offensive czar to develop the offense and over see Allen's development, you may be onto something. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Lol wow nothing but speculation. If McD hand picked Beane how do you know McD also doesnt approve of these moves? Do you know the workings of OBD? None of us do...maybe these moves were McDs idea. We just dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Maybe Beane went ROGUE and hired Daboll without McDermott’s approval ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) If only one were to be fired I'd go with Beane. McDermott has at least shown he can win with a semi talented team even with a competent QB. Bean e took over a decently talented roster and gutted it to the point even 90 mil blah blah blah won t be enough to fix. Seats are starting to heat up. Edited November 5, 2018 by reddogblitz 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 At least it's an interesting thought, OP 13 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: Lol wow nothing but speculation. If McD hand picked Beane how do you know McD also doesnt approve of these moves? Do you know the workings of OBD? None of us do...maybe these moves were McDs idea. We just dont know. That's his point, that we don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: At least it's an interesting thought, OP That's his point, that we don't know If we dont know why would we think the GM who was picked by the HC is making a power play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Skins Malone said: If we dont know why would we think the GM who was picked by the HC is making a power play? Maybe the standard narrative that they're joined at the hip is true. Maybe this other thing is true instead. He's just throwing it out there for discussion and even says there's maybe a 20% chance only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: Maybe the standard narrative that they're joined at the hip is true. Maybe this other thing is true instead. He's just throwing it out there for discussion and even says there's maybe a 20% chance only Oh well if it's only a 20% chance...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Skins Malone said: Oh well if it's only a 20% chance...lol Didn't catch that on the first read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Not only is this pure speculation, it's illogical, totally unfounded speculation. What is Beane's motive for backstabbing his buddy (who got him the GM gig in the first place) and ousting him from the organization? Is the OP suggesting Beane sees the writing on the wall and is trying to save his own skin by pushing McD out the door while he retains his job as GM or what? I just don't see this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Beane is a rookie GM twice spurned by his own team the Panthers for GM. He has no clout in the league or with management. Is my guess. Edited November 5, 2018 by Best Player Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 54 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: If we dont know why would we think the GM who was picked by the HC is making a power play? There is no proof that McDermott hired Beane himself. If you want to talk about unfounded speculation. It is much more likely that he put in a good word for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Not sure about the thread title, but I do wonder if Beane and McDermott are a packaged deal in the eyes of the Pegulas? Also, do Beane and McDermott feel they are a packaged deal? Does Beane have the authority to fire McDermott or do both of them report directly to the Pegulas? If the Pegulas fired McDermott, would Beane stay on? If the Pegulas fired Beane, would McDermott stay on? It's at least an interesting topic to discuss by the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Neither is going anywhere. They needed to get the cap situation under control and this year is the result of that. The offseason will bring a new OL and a complete WR overhaul. I also think the first pic in the draft will be CB to pair with White. Edited November 5, 2018 by Yav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I guess you can call it a power move to fire your coach at rock bottom dog**** of a roster when he has virtually no chance and then blame it all on him when you've rebuilt, purposely made your coach look awful, fired him, and hire a new dude. I call it a dick move. Geez Beane would be the last dude I'd want to coach for if I had 32 choices. I know coaches on the market see these things when they consider their options. We wouldn't be getting the pick of the litter firing a coach who breaks the playoff streak, progressively gets an impossible roster to work with, and is scapegoated out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 All Beane’s done is create a massive hole in the salary cap. Watching the NFL today it is amazing to me how many former Bills make plays on other teams. So it’s as not about ‘winning’ FA as it is retaining existing players, drafting well & quality coaching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: Many including me up until last week thought that Beane and McDermott are connected at the hip and that McDermott hand picked Bean. Even if this is true with things heading in this direction is it possible Beane lobbies for a coaching change? Judging from the moves Beane has made (the incredible amount of trades he has made for players and picks) he seems to be more of a new age NFL executive. Think Howie Roseman or Les Snead. What these types have in common is aggressive personel moves and aggressive coaches. Enter McDermott where you can not use the word aggressive and McDermott in the same sentence unless it is this one. I would have to think Beane knows the formula to beating the Patriots and other dominant teams is being more aggressive than they are. McDermott will never be that guy and Beane knows this. So I don’t think it would be a total shock for Beane to make a pitch to the Pegulas in an offensive league to go with a young innovative offense oriented mind. I would say it’s only about a 20% chance but at the same token it is larger than people may realize. Not a chance, we're dealing with highly principled men. That'd be like a dog turning on his master, even a dog wouldn't do that, it would be completely barbaric and savage. Beane and McD are in this together win or lose, any other scenario than that is chaotic and not likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I think there's a 10% chance they're secret operatives hired by Belichick to make sure we continue to suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Maybe his ultimate plan was to undermine his head coach by shedding all the talent. Sarcasm. ...but it's more likely that the two of them came up with this plan which is even more terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Not a chance, we're dealing with highly principled men. Agreed....except their principles are failures at excelling an NFL team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Agreed....except their principles are failures at excelling an NFL team. Absolutely.. No denying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 McDermott basically hired Beane so that would be a ballsy move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Would beane fire McDermott that is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 it's McDermott's team and Beane was hired to compliment him, not the other way around. The notion that McDermott can't succeed in Goodell's era of video game football because he's a DC doesn't hold water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 So McDermott fires beane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: Many including me up until last week thought that Beane and McDermott are connected at the hip and that McDermott hand picked Bean. Even if this is true with things heading in this direction is it possible Beane lobbies for a coaching change? Judging from the moves Beane has made (the incredible amount of trades he has made for players and picks) he seems to be more of a new age NFL executive. Think Howie Roseman or Les Snead. What these types have in common is aggressive personel moves and aggressive coaches. Enter McDermott where you can not use the word aggressive and McDermott in the same sentence unless it is this one. I would have to think Beane knows the formula to beating the Patriots and other dominant teams is being more aggressive than they are. McDermott will never be that guy and Beane knows this. So I don’t think it would be a total shock for Beane to make a pitch to the Pegulas in an offensive league to go with a young innovative offense oriented mind. I would say it’s only about a 20% chance but at the same token it is larger than people may realize. There is no Beane, there is only McDermott. The sooner people realize this the better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, stuvian said: it's McDermott's team and Beane was hired to compliment him, not the other way around. The notion that McDermott can't succeed in Goodell's era of video game football because he's a DC doesn't hold water. McDermott can't succeed in "Goodell's era of video game football" because he thinks he can win without an offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Beane is the bigger bum than McDermott. It's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 It could be the butler in the lounge with the lead pipe! ....or The Russians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 With a good draft and FA the Bean might be able to fix 2 positions on this team, O-Line and WR. The TE position is so bad right now as well. Clay and Croom can be released right now and we would get the same to better production with signing two TE's off of another teams PS. If Clay, Croom, KB, Mills and Ducasse are still on this roster next year I will have lost faith in the direction of this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Best Player Available said: Beane is a rookie GM twice spurned by his own team the Panthers for GM. He has no clout in the league or with management. Is my guess. He was not offered the Panthers job due to age and experience, other than that he is very highly respected. What th heck does clout have to do with anything? Does Clout help you pick good players? Pegula made the choice to hire McDermott first, let him run a draft and then hire Beane. A very odd way to do things. The idea of going for a QB in year 2 is all McDermott, he gave Taylor a chance and he left Mahommes and Watson on the board. Beanie comes in a blows up a marginal 9-7 playoff team in his first full year. We have a major project in Allen at QB, an aged running back, and nothing else on offense. That is were we are today. We look like a 3-13 team and will draft in the first 3 slots. Let’s hope he doesn’t blow it. Several of our best players on defense are old (Kyle, Jerry and Lorenzo). Our LB depth is very poor. I can see our defense dropping next year as we spend premium draft picks on OL and WR. Predictable mess. Edited November 5, 2018 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 No and I question his plan altogether. Everything seems to be done halfway with the Bills If you're blowing up a team you don't sign older free agents If you're rebuilding you trade away McCoy and Benjamin for assets for 20019 and beyond. They couldn't make up their mind what they are doing. If you want to be respectable you make sure Peterman is not one snap from playing let alone name his as your day 1 starter. If you are playing for a top pick you dont sign Murphy, Ivory, Star, Vontae Davis IColeman if he panned out was young but they blew that too. They could have got Gordon . I'm trying to be patient but they are testing it. Losses are fine this year but getting blowout each week and not being able to score over 10 pts a game is not acceptable. I fully expect daboll fired after the Jets game allowing a new coordinator a extra week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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