DCOrange Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/10/30/options-to-help-fix-bills-offense-in-2019-offseason/ Not all that much to this article in terms of meat, but it gives us some names to keep an eye on, both in free agency and the draft. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Been saying for a while that Paradise needs to be be target of hits free agency, make him the highest paid center or give Mitch Morse a nice contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 The problem is we would kind of need to sign all those guys. I do like the list and even if we got 3-4 it would help this team greatly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 N’Keal Harry seems to be the best fit for our offense. Great deep threat with a huge catch radius. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I like Tyrell Williams, he's got plenty of deep ball speed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I would spend too much money to get Saffold / Paradis / John Brown / Tyrell Williams That hopefully locks up LT / LG / C and gives Allen two WRs who can win deep. I think the value is going to be on DL where we draft (which isn't not a need) in the 1st round, but following that up with BPA spread accross WR / TE / OL / RB could maybe put us in position to be half decent for Allen. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Talent executes a plan. IMO, the planning and game strategy is the bigger problem for the Bills. Ultimately that falls on McDermott but on a practical week to week level, he's relying on his coordinator and coaches to frame out a plan, plays, etc. I'll save the Bills a lot of money and fire the entire offensive coaching staff and start anew with a coordinator with a proven track record of success in the NFL. No more mediocrity. No more college guys. I'd rather one bad season with Daboll versus three of them just so we can have "consistency." There's no reason to think any of it will improve. Daboll is Todd Haley without the attitude problems. Castillo and the rest of the unit coaches have clearly not gotten it done. I don't know why we'd entertain another season of more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Been saying for a while that Paradise needs to be be target of hits free agency, make him the highest paid center or give Mitch Morse a nice contract. The Broncos have Paradis and LG Billy Turner both as upcoming FAs. I doubt (though it is not impossible) they are able to re-sign both and I think whichever one they don't should be the Bills #1 target. Ideally that is Paradis because I think there are several other options at guard. I really like Quinton Spain from Tennessee. I think his lack of big name profile might mean that you get him at a more reasonable price too. He would be a massive, instant upgrade. If you can't get Paradis then the alternatives at center are less impressive. 3 minutes ago, dpberr said: Talent executes a plan. We haven't got any talent. That is why the plan is bad. Our RT executed a cut block so effectively on Monday night that he took himself and our RG out of the play in one strike leaving two unblocked rushers running at Anderson. With talent like that who needs a plan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, dpberr said: Talent executes a plan. IMO, the planning and game strategy is the bigger problem for the Bills. Ultimately that falls on McDermott but on a practical week to week level, he's relying on his coordinator and coaches to frame out a plan, plays, etc. I'll save the Bills a lot of money and fire the entire offensive coaching staff and start anew with a coordinator with a proven track record of success in the NFL. No more mediocrity. No more college guys. I'd rather one bad season with Daboll versus three of them just so we can have "consistency." There's no reason to think any of it will improve. Daboll is Todd Haley without the attitude problems. Castillo and the rest of the unit coaches have clearly not gotten it done. I don't know why we'd entertain another season of more of the same. Our offensive coordinator job is currently a career killer. No "proven track record of success" OC on his way up the ladder towards HC would even entertain our phone call. Which leaves us sifting through the fringes of failed former OCs, position coaches getting a promotion or college coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Fixing the o-line will help a ton. Get make-able 3rd downs. Get something resembling a big play. I like a john brown or williams with some speed. Maybe even a tate or hogan too, or a Demaryous thomas should he become available. Overhaul is needed at the WR position. If Pryor can do anything maybe keep him. Other than that I'm good with just Zay coming back. Ray Ray can try and make the roster, but so far they can't trust him on punts and he already got sent home from a road game so i don't like his chances. I know a lot of those guys aren't exactly young, but if the 1st rounder is in the top 5, and no one wants to trade up for a QB - i want the BPA 100%. We aren't a talented enough team to draft for a need like WR or interior Oline. If its a DT or a DE, bring him in. We're still in the building blocks stage. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dneveu said: Fixing the o-line will help a ton. Get make-able 3rd downs. Get something resembling a big play. I like a john brown or williams with some speed. Maybe even a tate or hogan too, or a Demaryous thomas should he become available. Overhaul is needed at the WR position. If Pryor can do anything maybe keep him. Other than that I'm good with just Zay coming back. Ray Ray can try and make the roster, but so far they can't trust him on punts and he already got sent home from a road game so i don't like his chances. I know a lot of those guys aren't exactly young, but if the 1st rounder is in the top 5, and no one wants to trade up for a QB - i want the BPA 100%. We aren't a talented enough team to draft for a need like WR or interior Oline. If its a DT or a DE, bring him in. We're still in the building blocks stage. I'd focus on gobbling up 2-3 of those O-lineman in FA and at least 1 WR. Draft good young offensive weapons, I'm not sure BPA on D-line with our first rd pick is the right idea though. I'd personally like to see us trade back if possible. Edited October 31, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, dneveu said: Fixing the o-line will help a ton. Get make-able 3rd downs. Get something resembling a big play. I like a john brown or williams with some speed. Maybe even a tate or hogan too, or a Demaryous thomas should he become available. Overhaul is needed at the WR position. If Pryor can do anything maybe keep him. Other than that I'm good with just Zay coming back. Ray Ray can try and make the roster, but so far they can't trust him on punts and he already got sent home from a road game so i don't like his chances. I know a lot of those guys aren't exactly young, but if the 1st rounder is in the top 5, and no one wants to trade up for a QB - i want the BPA 100%. We aren't a talented enough team to draft for a need like WR or interior Oline. If its a DT or a DE, bring him in. We're still in the building blocks stage. I think offensive line needs to be a focus in FA. We need at least 2 new starters, I think Center and RG are most urgent. Could definitely use an upgrade at RT too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: I'd focus on gobbling up 2-3 of those O-lineman in FA and at least 1 WR. Draft good young offensive weapons, I'm not sure BPA on D-line with our first rd pick is the right idea though. I'd personally like to see us trade back if possible. It's tough though - the best trade back options are if there's a super good player who falls to us at say 4... or QB. If none of the QBs make it in that 1-5 zone its hard to trade back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Our offensive coordinator job is currently a career killer. No "proven track record of success" OC on his way up the ladder towards HC would even entertain our phone call. Which leaves us sifting through the fringes of failed former OCs, position coaches getting a promotion or college coaches. You apparently did not actually read the article in the OP. The author specifically talks about Daboll doing a good job but being hamstrung by the talent. You can agree or not, but it would be nice for folks to read articles referred to before commenting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, dpberr said: Talent executes a plan. IMO, the planning and game strategy is the bigger problem for the Bills. Ultimately that falls on McDermott but on a practical week to week level, he's relying on his coordinator and coaches to frame out a plan, plays, etc. I'll save the Bills a lot of money and fire the entire offensive coaching staff and start anew with a coordinator with a proven track record of success in the NFL. No more mediocrity. No more college guys. I'd rather one bad season with Daboll versus three of them just so we can have "consistency." There's no reason to think any of it will improve. Daboll is Todd Haley without the attitude problems. Castillo and the rest of the unit coaches have clearly not gotten it done. I don't know why we'd entertain another season of more of the same. I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but I do not want to give Allen an all new offensive system going into his sophomore season. I hope they keep the entire staff for at least 2019. We can't try to develop a young QB while throwing a new coordinator and new coaching staff at him every offseason. Castillo I would have never hired to begin with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think offensive line needs to be a focus in FA. We need at least 2 new starters, I think Center and RG are most urgent. Could definitely use an upgrade at RT too. I'm hoping Tiller or Bottinger step up at G. I can't imagine they won't use some cap space on the O line and at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: I'd focus on gobbling up 2-3 of those O-lineman in FA and at least 1 WR. Draft good young offensive weapons, I'm not sure BPA on D-line with our first rd pick is the right idea though. I'd personally like to see us trade back if possible. It is if those top 2 are there and in a class of their own. Which at the moment is pretty much where I have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dneveu said: It's tough though - the best trade back options are if there's a super good player who falls to us at say 4... or QB. If none of the QBs make it in that 1-5 zone its hard to trade back. I hear you there. I just hope most gets addressed in FA. We will need a stud WR to fall to us in the 2nd possibly if we go D first? I wouldn't mind seeing a young RB and TE coming in as well. Offseason will be interesting. . Edited October 31, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I'm hoping Tiller or Bottinger step up at G. I can't imagine they won't use some cap space on the O line and at WR. I forget about Teller because he’s inactive every game. Ducasse from what Sal C and Joe B have been saying....actually playing okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I forget about Teller because he’s inactive every game. Ducasse from what Sal C and Joe B have been saying....actually playing okay. Ducasse has pass protected okay. He is a walking disaster in the run game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Ducasse has pass protected okay. He is a walking disaster in the run game. Is it because he has zero mobility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: You apparently did not actually read the article in the OP. The author specifically talks about Daboll doing a good job but being hamstrung by the talent. You can agree or not, but it would be nice for folks to read articles referred to before commenting. As the article says: I don’t think Buffalo has a coaching issue at all. Daboll couldn’t have been dealt a worse hand and it’s hard to envision any other coordinator getting more out of Buffalo’s personnel. We have a terrible offensive roster. Maybe the lowest-paid and overall worst in the NFL. We also have terrible offensive productivity in terms of yards and/or points. Daboll and his staff have neither over-performed nor under-performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Is it because he has zero mobility? No mobility and bad leverage..... he dips his head way too early where he should try and stay more upright and drive his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Sign a would be 42 year old Brady to mentor Allen for 2019. Brady can start, but the expectation will be for Allen to learn from him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No mobility and bad leverage..... he dips his head way too early where he should try and stay more upright and drive his feet. This is why he gets no push and gets pushed back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Where have I seen this before ?? oh I know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The Broncos have Paradis and LG Billy Turner both as upcoming FAs. I doubt (though it is not impossible) they are able to re-sign both and I think whichever one they don't should be the Bills #1 target. Ideally that is Paradis because I think there are several other options at guard. I really like Quinton Spain from Tennessee. I think his lack of big name profile might mean that you get him at a more reasonable price too. He would be a massive, instant upgrade. If you can't get Paradis then the alternatives at center are less impressive. We haven't got any talent. That is why the plan is bad. Our RT executed a cut block so effectively on Monday night that he took himself and our RG out of the play in one strike leaving two unblocked rushers running at Anderson. With talent like that who needs a plan? Ya paradise instantly transforms the line. Make him highest paid center and call it a day. I’m hoping the Bills lock up two quality starting linemen. Sign Paradise and James/Williams/Brown at RT this line looks dramatically better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Like others have said, fix the OL in FA and add a WR who can actually get open. That solves a lot of problems. Then we still have the draft. Draft BPA in top 5, likely DL, which is okay, because continued defensive dominance will be required. Then draft OL (good ones likely around end of 1st, and in 2nd); WR (generally good ones in 3-4) and RB (with a good OL, keep Ivory and Shady and get a stud 3rd-4th rounder). If we can field an offense putting up even 21 points a game next year we will be in good shape if we keep the D churning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: I would spend too much money to get Saffold / Paradis / John Brown / Tyrell Williams That hopefully locks up LT / LG / C and gives Allen two WRs who can win deep. I think the value is going to be on DL where we draft (which isn't not a need) in the 1st round, but following that up with BPA spread accross WR / TE / OL / RB could maybe put us in position to be half decent for Allen. This is so damn sexy, Chuck. I dig it. Dare I say I am almost getting excited thinking about it. 48 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think offensive line needs to be a focus in FA. We need at least 2 new starters, I think Center and RG are most urgent. Could definitely use an upgrade at RT too. You know, Royale, if I tilt me head just a bit and squint when reading your post quickly it makes it sound like our offensive line isn't that good. If I have misinterpreted your post please forgive me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: You know, Royale, if I tilt me head just a bit and squint when reading your post quickly it makes it sound like our offensive line isn't that good. If I have misinterpreted your post please forgive me. Sounds like you’re hitting on me. I’m intrigued a little. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Great article, and thanks for sharing! I think this should give all a glimmer of hope for next season. Pick up a few of the OL, a WR or 2 and have another solid draft and we would be in decent shape for the 2019 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/10/30/options-to-help-fix-bills-offense-in-2019-offseason/ Not all that much to this article in terms of meat, but it gives us some names to keep an eye on, both in free agency and the draft. I thought it was a decent chew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I would target 5 players in free agency for the offense (2-3 OL, 1-2 WR and maybe a TE). Even at an average of $10 million/yr that's $50 of the $90 million in cap space so it can be done, and probably for a little less than an average of $10 million. If they end up with a top 3-4 pick, based on their needs this is a perfect draft to trade down. It is top heavy in DL talent at the top and possibly a team (Jacksonville? Tampa Bay?) would trade up for a QB. Pick up a couple extra picks, most likely a lower 1 and a 2 plus a future pick if they're trading down 5-8 spots. In the draft. If they can end up with 4 picks in the top 100 (which if they trade down and have a top four draft slot they would have) then it's possible to fill in some other spots like another for OL, a rotational DL player, a WR and either a RB or LB. They would still have $40+ million in cap space for depth guys and maybe even a starter or 2 on D (LB to replace Alexander, CB2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said: I like Tyrell Williams, he's got plenty of deep ball speed. He's such a tease. It seems like he disappears for 90% of most games but whenever he makes a catch, it's a huge one. Still, I'd love to take a chance on a guy as young as he is, with the size and speed he has, and at least decent production. I'm not sure if he's my #1 WR free agent target this year, but he's damn close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Been saying for a while that Paradise needs to be be target of hits free agency, make him the highest paid center or give Mitch Morse a nice contract. Would definately help solidify this bad situation I think we have a top 5 to 7 pick when it is all said and done....too low for Bosa...in this situation I take the best LT.....move Dawkins to LG......sign free agent Paradise.....another offensive OL to battle Wyatt Teller at RG.......and probably keep Mills but draft a offensive linemen high to try to unseat him...... If we keep Shady then our RB group is set......we take a TE.....2 WR's in the draft......in the latter rounds its best available player trying to pull a Matt Milano type talent out of the middle to late rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Our offensive coordinator job is currently a career killer. No "proven track record of success" OC on his way up the ladder towards HC would even entertain our phone call. Which leaves us sifting through the fringes of failed former OCs, position coaches getting a promotion or college coaches. And the same argument holds true for HC's. Buffalo will always struggle to land top coaches or players. The NFL will solidify that by keeping us a 5-7 win team every year. The Bills will continue to do their job for the NFL as a mere schedule filler. It's a vicious rut I don't ever see us getting out of. We're not compelling or revenue generating enough to the NFL. Edited October 31, 2018 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Real McCoy said: I'd focus on gobbling up 2-3 of those O-lineman in FA and at least 1 WR. Draft good young offensive weapons, I'm not sure BPA on D-line with our first rd pick is the right idea though. I'd personally like to see us trade back if possible. Kyle may retire after this season, creating an immediate need on the D-line. Even if he stays another year, we'll need a replacement soon. Also, we have a ton of picks. They could grab a DL and trade up for some offensive talent if there's someone there they really like. 3 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Sign a would be 42 year old Brady to mentor Allen for 2019. Brady can start, but the expectation will be for Allen to learn from him. He doesn't like the hotels in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: N’Keal Harry seems to be the best fit for our offense. Great deep threat with a huge catch radius. YES - especially given Allen's accuracy issues, I would love for us to be able to land this guy over other WRs. Just don't know if he makes it to our second round pick...I think our first would be a bit of a reach unless we trade back. Edited October 31, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ctk232 said: YES - especially given Allen's accuracy issues, I would love for us to be able to land this guy over other WRs. Just don't know if he makes it to our second round pick...I think our first would be a bit of a reach unless we trade back. I recently read that he could be someone that shoots up the draft charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I recently read that he could be someone that shoots up the draft charts. That's what I've heard too - him making OBJ catches just riles up the media attention and focus as well. Just don't want us to end up reaching for him in the 1st considering with a top 5 pick I'd be happier landing Oliver/Bosa or Little. Trading back though I may approach it differently given what OL talent is left, go N'Keal then OL in the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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