nucci Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Wyo_Bills Fan said: How do you sit someone "In the Bench?" kinda like getting "on" the plane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, The_Dude said: We’re gonna sit him in the bench to hide our *****up is basically what they’re saying. Not everything is a conspiracy. He is hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Yeah? Well if I were running the show we’d have Mahomes and Watkins on the team and we’d be a lot better. So there’s that. Yes if only they'd hired you random internet poster then all our problems would be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Vic Carucci Verified account @viccarucci 3m3 minutes ago Can confirm #Bills QB Josh Allen has an elbow sprain, as reported by @john_wawrow & @MikeGarafolo. League source says Allen is "week to week," as Sean McDermott said Monday. Source also says Allen's playing status for Sunday will become clear as the week goes on. 1 reply 5 retweets 9 likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_Dude Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Yes if only they'd hired you random internet poster then all our problems would be solved. Sadly, that’s correct. That’s how bad the Bills are and have been. They’re awful. 23 minutes ago, Wyo_Bills Fan said: How do you sit someone "In the Bench?" Im sure you’ll figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Since I don't trust anyone from a team when they talk about injuries, it's worth posting this. Sprains mean different things depending on the grade. If there is an injury to the UCL it is often classified as a sprain. There are three grades of sprain: grade 1, 2 and 3. A grade 1 sprain means that the ligament is stretched but no tear is felt. A grade 2 sprain indicates the ligament is stretched and a partial tear could be present. A grade 3 sprain indicates there is a complete tear of the ligament. https://www.beaconortho.com/blog/ucl-injuries-elbow/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Yeah? Well if I were running the show we’d have Mahomes and Watkins on the team and we’d be a lot better. So there’s that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, no name said: Ya know, I’ve realized I don’t work for OBD. They’d be good if I did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: Ya know, I’ve realized I don’t work for OBD. They’d be good if I did. You were a Bortles guy, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Also: Ulnar collateral ligament injury of the elbow is a sprain (tear) of one of the ligaments on the inner side of the elbow. ... Prognosis The UCL usually does not heal sufficiently on its own with non-operative treatment. To return to throwing, surgery is often necessary. http://www.csosortho.com/ulnar-collateral-ligament-sprain.html We just don't know what the prognosis is, and anyone claiming they do is full of it. The team may want him to play and the agent may want him to get the surgery. That's another factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Also: Ulnar collateral ligament injury of the elbow is a sprain (tear) of one of the ligaments on the inner side of the elbow. ... Prognosis The UCL usually does not heal sufficiently on its own with non-operative treatment. To return to throwing, surgery is often necessary. http://www.csosortho.com/ulnar-collateral-ligament-sprain.html We just don't know what the prognosis is, and anyone claiming they do is full of it. The team may want him to play and the agent may want him to get the surgery. That's another factor. Worth noting: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1058274610002466 "A total of 10 cases of UCL injuries in quarterbacks were identified starting in 1994. Nine cases were treated nonoperatively and the mean return to play was 26.4 days." Edited October 16, 2018 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Worth noting: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1058274610002466 "A total of 10 cases of UCL injuries in quarterbacks were identified starting in 1994. Nine cases were treated nonoperatively and the mean return to play was 26.4 days." Good to know. Excellent data, and it's quite promising! Still, we don't know the extent of the tear if there is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Good to know. Excellent data, and it's quite promising! Still, we don't know the extent of the tear if there is one. This one came in from a trainer early this year: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5825334/ ^it provides more context to the study I linked above, specifically: "The high prevalence of trauma-related UCL injury is also supported by a small series from Kenter and colleagues [27]. Nine of the ten UCL injuries in Dodson’s series [28] were managed non-operatively, including three athletes who had complete tears. Not surprisingly, athletes with a higher grade injury required a longer time to return to competition. Quarterbacks with a grade I–II injury returned around 7 days, whereas grade III injuries has a mean of 67 days to return to play [28]. There is a tremendous paucity of data on UCL reconstruction in the professional quarterback, with most case series consisting of only one–two athletes [28, 31, 32]." It makes sense that they'd call him week-to-week, since based on the above it could be anywhere from zero to 10 weeks depending upon severity. Edited October 16, 2018 by thebandit27 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Success said: You were a Bortles guy, right? Yup. I thought he was the best QB in that draft and I knew we needed a QB. I wasn’t right on both accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Yup. I thought he was the best QB in that draft and I knew we needed a QB. I wasn’t right on both accounts. Who did you like in this past draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Since I don't trust anyone from a team when they talk about injuries, it's worth posting this. Sprains mean different things depending on the grade. If there is an injury to the UCL it is often classified as a sprain. There are three grades of sprain: grade 1, 2 and 3. A grade 1 sprain means that the ligament is stretched but no tear is felt. A grade 2 sprain indicates the ligament is stretched and a partial tear could be present. A grade 3 sprain indicates there is a complete tear of the ligament. https://www.beaconortho.com/blog/ucl-injuries-elbow/ Thanks. That's pretty strange that a complete tear of a ligament would still be termed a "sprain." I would assume that Josh has a 1 or some type of "partial tear" would likely be included in these reports. Just an assumption though. 17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Also: Ulnar collateral ligament injury of the elbow is a sprain (tear) of one of the ligaments on the inner side of the elbow. ... Prognosis The UCL usually does not heal sufficiently on its own with non-operative treatment. To return to throwing, surgery is often necessary. http://www.csosortho.com/ulnar-collateral-ligament-sprain.html We just don't know what the prognosis is, and anyone claiming they do is full of it. The team may want him to play and the agent may want him to get the surgery. That's another factor. Hard to imagine at this stage of his career, with this team in this situation, that they would want him to play before they were positive from the doctors that they were not risking further or long term injury. I totally believe teams force players to play when they are not ready for their own purposes, but this one seems highly, highly unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Thank you, Vic, for providing all the information we knew already. ”My sources have confirmed what other, better reporters already said yesterday.” 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Thank you, Vic, for providing all the information we knew already. ”My sources have confirmed what other, better reporters already said yesterday.” My favorite move is when rapaport quote retweets something from Schefter or another competitor with “This is true” Edited October 16, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: My favorite move is when rapaport quote retweets something with “This is true” I like when he throws schitt at a wall, it boomerangs right back in his face, and while wearing said schitt, then he says new reports say this didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The funny/strange part of this "report" from Vic is the comment that "Allen's playing status will become clear as the week goes on..." as if it is not already clear?? Most other reports are saying he is out this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzom003 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Go after a QB in free agency now that we have plenty of cap space, trade or draft one again. We missed our chance last year and waited too late in which we ended up with the leftovers (McCarron). Granted our cap space made that difficult this past year however, as much wheeling and dealing the front office has done you would've hoped for much better. Still pains me knowing that McDermott's mentor Andy Reid moved up 17 spots to take Mahomes when they already had Alex Smith at the time and we were in DESPERATE need of a starting QB not the Chiefs but yet they pulled the trigger and now are set for the foreseeable future. We wanted to build draft capital but two franchise QB's were starring at us right in the face when we held that spot with both Mahomes and Watson being available. Imagine that conversation between Andy Reid and Coach McDermott now.......awkward!! I would've questioned who my mentor really wanted so badly that they are willing to trade all the way up and mortgage their draft picks that year and their 1st rounder the following year. I would've instantly suspected that it was for a QB and with Andy Reid being his mentor and a genuis at that I would've taken a shot on one of the two QB's in hopes of getting it right. I could go on and on about how I believe this was mishandled including but not limited to them not protected your assets with a veteran QB or a building a better offensive line via draft or free agency. Basically, that's like buying a house or car without getting any insurance to cover it. HUGE RISK!! Draft Bosa or OT, spend in free agency on a QB and O-line or actually trade for a QB if possible and if there isn't one worth while then draft one early again until we get it right. This is a quarterback driven league and you MUST have one to win consistently. I'm still screaming GO BILLS BABY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, One Buffalo said: The funny/strange part of this "report" from Vic is the comment that "Allen's playing status will become clear as the week goes on..." as if it is not already clear?? Most other reports are saying he is out this week. He most likely is. But McD didn't rule him out yesterday, and said we were going to wait for further tests (which they just received), and it was reasonably good news. So while McD is very likely just doing this to cause some hesitation in the Colts practices thinking Allen may play, which is about as likely and as good an idea as trying to draw the Texans offsides on your own 40 yard line late in the fourth quarter (read: it's not), Vic is technically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: The funny/strange part of this "report" from Vic is the comment that "Allen's playing status will become clear as the week goes on..." as if it is not already clear?? Most other reports are saying he is out this week. Deanna Russini was the only one with that actual report, but “week to week” by McD typically does infer that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Success said: Who did you like in this past draft? Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen. I cursed for hours when they drafted Allen. They passed on Mahomes, Watson, and Rosen for Allen. Stupid. Edited October 16, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Deanna Russini was the only one with that actual report, but “week to week” by McD typically does infer that I don't have time to figure it out, but Deanna Russini may be an anagram for Michel de Nostredame, usually Latinised as Nostradamus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dzom003 said: Go after a QB in free agency now that we have plenty of cap space, trade or draft one again. We missed our chance last year and waited too late in which we ended up with the leftovers (McCarron). Granted our cap space made that difficult this past year however, as much wheeling and dealing the front office has done you would've hoped for much better. Still pains me knowing that McDermott's mentor Andy Reid moved up 17 spots to take Mahomes when they already had Alex Smith at the time and we were in DESPERATE need of a starting QB not the Chiefs but yet they pulled the trigger and now are set for the foreseeable future. We wanted to build draft capital but two franchise QB's were starring at us right in the face when we held that spot with both Mahomes and Watson being available. Imagine that conversation between Andy Reid and Coach McDermott now.......awkward!! I would've questioned who my mentor really wanted so badly that they are willing to trade all the way up and mortgage their draft picks that year and their 1st rounder the following year. I would've instantly suspected that it was for a QB and with Andy Reid being his mentor and a genuis at that I would've taken a shot on one of the two QB's in hopes of getting it right. I could go on and on about how I believe this was mishandled including but not limited to them not protected your assets with a veteran QB or a building a better offensive line via draft or free agency. Basically, that's like buying a house or car without getting any insurance to cover it. HUGE RISK!! Draft Bosa or OT, spend in free agency on a QB and O-line or actually trade for a QB if possible and if there isn't one worth while then draft one early again until we get it right. This is a quarterback driven league and you MUST have one to win consistently. I'm still screaming GO BILLS BABY!! Uhhh... what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen. I cursed for hours when they drafted Allen. They passed on Mahomes, Watson, and Rosen for Allen. Stupid. I guess we’ll see. I wasn’t thrilled about Allen. He is clearly behind the other guys at this point, but in a way, he was supposed to be. And there are actually some things I love about his game at this point. I wanted Darnold. But I honestly couldn’t say at this point who will be better in 5 years. And I happen to trust Bean, more than hot takes a month or so into what could be a long and incredible career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Not sure if this is already in here... Virtual diagnosis but could be some ‘norms’ http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-josh-allen-elbow-bills-injury-1015-story,amp.html man this is starting to Feel like EJ all over again 36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Deanna Russini was the only one with that actual report, but “week to week” by McD typically does infer that May have caught on to this subtly in McDermott sprache... Seems like day to day means could be back this week and play. Week to week is not playing this week... Edited October 16, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStateofWarshingtun Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) My Dad is a retired orthopaedic surgeon. He occasionally treated UCL injuries. I showed him the video of the Valgus stress test and he felt based off of Josh’s reaction it’s most likely a grade 2 tear. Obviously not a new or different opinion but consistent with some of the reports we have come across already. Edited October 16, 2018 by TheStateofWarshingtun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 So are there reports that Allen is going to travel to see Dr. Andrews in person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gugny Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, HansLanda said: So are there reports that Allen is going to travel to see Dr. Andrews in person? Yep. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000975056/article/injuries-bills-dont-expect-elbow-surgery-for-josh-allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: Yep. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000975056/article/injuries-bills-dont-expect-elbow-surgery-for-josh-allen I’m not saying that whoever wrote up this summary from garafolo’s tv spot is wrong, but he didn’t actually say that on his tv spot and every other report says they just sending the mri to Andrews. It looks like the article was combination of garafolo’s spot and the other reports of the day, and that seems inconsistent with the rest. Edited October 16, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzom003 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: Uhhh... what? Good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m not saying that whoever wrote up this summary from garafolo’s tv spot is wrong, but he didn’t actually say that on his tv spot and every other report says they just sending the mri to Andrews. Thank you for clarifying that. All other reports did say that he was just looking at the MRI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStateofWarshingtun Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, TheStateofWarshingtun said: My Dad is a retired orthopaedic surgeon. He occasionally treated UCL injuries. I showed him the video of the Valgus stress test and he felt based off of Josh’s reaction it’s most likely a grade 2 tear. Obviously not a new or different opinion but consistent with some of the reports we have come across already. Also he feels likely it is grade 2 vs grade 3 because there can be more pain with a grade 2 tear due to the partial tears being pulled on during the Valgus stress test. Sometimes it’s not as painful during the stress test for a grade 3 tear as the ligament is not being stretched as much due to its complete tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, TheStateofWarshingtun said: Also he feels likely it is grade 2 vs grade 3 because there can be more pain with a grade 2 tear due to the partial tears being pulled on during the Valgus stress test. Sometimes it’s not as painful during the stress test for a grade 3 tear as the ligament is not being stretched as much due to its complete tear. This may be answered upthread. How long does a grade 2 generally take to heal? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: This may be answered upthread. How long does a grade 2 generally take to heal? Thanks. Per the study I posted, which looked at QBs with UCL injuries: Grade 1 could be a week or two; Grade 2 could be anywhere from 3-6 weeks; Grade 3 usually 8-10 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Per the study I posted, which looked at QBs with UCL injuries: Grade 1 could be a week or two; Grade 2 could be anywhere from 3-6 weeks; Grade 3 usually 8-10 weeks Thanks, bandit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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