aristocrat Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Team win. Offense moving the ball at will. Defense making plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 TD passes from JA. Sorry ? i think I just had a daydream 10 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Team win. Offense moving the ball at will. Defense making plays. I like that !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 a win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC24 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 19 hours ago, nucci said: how is a win not the most important ? I'm sick and tired of watching Bills QB's limp to wins with 100 yards passing and having the defense and kicker do most of the work. Allen has been the worst out of all 4 rookie QB's Id rather have a shootout then win ugly in a low scoring defensive game this offense is so behind the rest of the league is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Josh allen showing any sign that he can be a good qb. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 42 minutes ago, LFC24 said: I'm sick and tired of watching Bills QB's limp to wins with 100 yards passing and having the defense and kicker do most of the work. Allen has been the worst out of all 4 rookie QB's Id rather have a shootout then win ugly in a low scoring defensive game this offense is so behind the rest of the league is embarrassing. why bother watching a Bills game? If you want a shootout and don't care about winning, watch the Chiefs Patriots game. Likely to be a lot of offense. 5 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: This is simple. A Bills win anyway they can: ugly, dominating, overtime, multiple turnovers generated by the defense, the offense coming alive. I don't care how, just WIN BABY!!! Right! and usually when you win an NFL game, you are doing things more right than wrong. Each win also gives Allen another week to learn more and hopefully, we find ourselves in the playoff race as he starts to get better. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Progress from Josh Allen is the one thing I hope for every week. Anything else is gravy. Gravy options: One or two WR stepping up and building chemistry with Allen. Marcus Murphy showing he can play like he did in pre-season, in a real game. O Line developing chemistry D Line getting constant pressure on the QB A Bills win this made me think...why not have murphy and ivory in the backfield together and put shady in the slot with zay and kb or foster on the outside. shady would be a huge mismatch and at least take a lb out of the play. someone also mentioned brandon reilly and i for the life of me can't understand why he's not on the roster. we desperately need that chris hogan 2.0 guy that is open and dependable especially on 3rd downs. Edited October 13, 2018 by billsredneck1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 20 hours ago, nucci said: how is a win not the most important ? Because 2018 is 2019's preseason. If we hope to be a good team in the years to come, our young players - especially Josh Allen - need to progress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Because 2018 is 2019's preseason. If we hope to be a good team in the years to come, our young players - especially Josh Allen - need to progress. and winning is not a part of progress? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, klos63 said: and winning is not a part of progress? Not when winning includes 84 yards passing. What about Allen's performance, or lack thereof really, in last week's win was encouraging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, klos63 said: and winning is not a part of progress? I think it's fairly obvious that the Bills adopted a game plan last week that was totally focused on trying to win the game in the most ugly way possible, while asking Josh Allen to do as little as possible. As opposed to asking Josh Allen to be a full-service QB who must perform as such and which required him to learn, grow, and perform as a passing QB. Those are 2 hugely different approaches to the same game. We went with the "screw Allen, we want to win now" approach, and it worked. I actually disagree with that. This season is for deterring who Allen is, and the sooner we know, the better off we are. Everything should be pushed into his development or lack thereof, and let the score play out as it may. I'm willing to do that for this season and only this season, with Allen at least. The Bills are now in treading water/survivor mode and Allen is not going to do a lot of progressing with this mentality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, JM57 said: Not when winning includes 84 yards passing. What about Allen's performance, or lack thereof really, in last week's win was encouraging? Not much, nice TD run though. Tell me how losing last week would have been better than winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Game still on in OT with Bills holding ball in Texans' end of field with both teams already had chance for TD. This means a FG wins for us and we kept pace with Texans for entire game. 1 minute ago, klos63 said: Not much, nice TD run though. Tell me how losing last week would have been better than winning? JM57 would be happier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I think it's fairly obvious that the Bills adopted a game plan last week that was totally focused on trying to win the game in the most ugly way possible, while asking Josh Allen to do as little as possible. As opposed to asking Josh Allen to be a full-service QB who must perform as such and which required him to learn, grow, and perform as a passing QB. Those are 2 hugely different approaches to the same game. We went with the "screw Allen, we want to win now" approach, and it worked. I actually disagree with that. This season is for deterring who Allen is, and the sooner we know, the better off we are. Everything should be pushed into his development or lack thereof, and let the score play out as it may. I'm willing to do that for this season and only this season, with Allen at least. The Bills are now in treading water/survivor mode and Allen is not going to do a lot of progressing with this mentality. You do what you have to do to win. Winning should be the goal every game, that's what they practice for each week, to design a way to win. Allen has played well at times and not so well others. If we were 0-5 I don't think we would feel good about the progress of the team. Takes time for a QB to be consistently good, nothing wrong winning while he's learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Because 2018 is 2019's preseason. If we hope to be a good team in the years to come, our young players - especially Josh Allen - need to progress. how is winning not progress? if this team finishes 4-12, how much progress do you think there will be? 1 hour ago, LFC24 said: I'm sick and tired of watching Bills QB's limp to wins with 100 yards passing and having the defense and kicker do most of the work. Allen has been the worst out of all 4 rookie QB's Id rather have a shootout then win ugly in a low scoring defensive game this offense is so behind the rest of the league is embarrassing. But if the offense and Allen play better , with this defense don't you think they will win more....and if Allen leads them to 8-9 wins and plays well, won't you be excited for next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, nucci said: how is winning not progress? if this team finishes 4-12, how much progress do you think there will be? amazing that we are arguing with fans who think losing is better than winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Josh Allen hurdles JJ Watt at the goal line for the game winning TD and Marv Albert makes his way to the booth and says “Josh Allen with THE FACIAL!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 ...a Schwartz like defensive, Herculean effort like we did vs Detroit and neutralizing a "girl named Suh", but now vs JJ and Clowney.......carry Leslie out on your shoulders for good measure...Hughes & Murphy batter the already battered Watson.....ribs/lung/chest inhibit his throwing and intimidate his scrambles.......the "three headed monster" ala Shady, Ivory and Murphy racking up a buck 50........Josh with 220 in the air...one TD zero picks.....14-10 Bills in a real deal battle........wake me up on Monday......Melatonin time.....see ya............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 At 1-3 and coming off a game I went to in Green Bay in which the team got shutout by a below average defense I was solely concerned with Allen's development. After a somewhat surprising win against a division leading team I can buy into going for ugly W's and sheltering Allen for as long as the season is still alive. If/when it gets out of hand (3 or 4 games below .500), I really don't see the point in sheltering Allen for the sake of meaningless W's, I want to see what we have. So basically, any type of W tomorrow will gladly be taken by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I don't think they're sheltering Allen. He has nothing for WRs and they are not using McCoy enough as a receiver to help out...successful screens slow down a pass rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) I said it last week so I'll say it again More happy drinking than sad drinking. Edited October 13, 2018 by The Wiz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 5 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Because 2018 is 2019's preseason. If we hope to be a good team in the years to come, our young players - especially Josh Allen - need to progress. This is just so weird. I guess you are allowed to root against your team. You are claiming winning has nothing to do with development. Just throwing for yardage. 4 hours ago, klos63 said: amazing that we are arguing with fans who think losing is better than winning. no need to argue with these folks. it's a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 9 hours ago, klos63 said: Not much, nice TD run though. Tell me how losing last week would have been better than winning? The result of the game doesn't matter. This year is about the development of the "franchise QB" and his stat line looks like the game ended early in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 A win. Any variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Fadingpain said: I think it's fairly obvious that the Bills adopted a game plan last week that was totally focused on trying to win the game in the most ugly way possible, while asking Josh Allen to do as little as possible. As opposed to asking Josh Allen to be a full-service QB who must perform as such and which required him to learn, grow, and perform as a passing QB. Those are 2 hugely different approaches to the same game. We went with the "screw Allen, we want to win now" approach, and it worked. I actually disagree with that. This season is for deterring who Allen is, and the sooner we know, the better off we are. Everything should be pushed into his development or lack thereof, and let the score play out as it may. I'm willing to do that for this season and only this season, with Allen at least. The Bills are now in treading water/survivor mode and Allen is not going to do a lot of progressing with this mentality. Josh might not have 250+ yard games with a kind of game plan like last week but with a few catches and breaks he could easily be over 150 yards with a similar one. And he learns a LOT more doing this than sitting on the bench or asked to do too much like versus the Packers and ending with zero points. And people that are all about draft picks fail to notice that with the cap space the Bills will able to sign some good FA if, and that's what winning this season can do, if they are an attractive place to play in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 hours ago, JM57 said: The result of the game doesn't matter. This year is about the development of the "franchise QB" and his stat line looks like the game ended early in the 2nd. that's just so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Allen throws for 300+ yards with 3 TDs and no picks. A guy can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Bills up 35-0 at halftime. Bill O'Brien gets fired walking off the field and throw out of the premises by security after the 1st half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 hours ago, klos63 said: that's just so stupid. If you say so. Wins and losses aren't indicative of the development of a quarterback. His performance is. 10/19 for 82 yards is dreadful. Like 12 guys are out here throwing for an easy 350 every week and the a Bills just threw for a quarter of that. How you can see that as a good thing is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 7 hours ago, JM57 said: The result of the game doesn't matter. This year is about the development of the "franchise QB" and his stat line looks like the game ended early in the 2nd. this is just amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 A win is all that really matters but I'd like to see Allen doing more with the passing game. This is the first game since Anderson was brought in...let's see what veteran knowledge he has already imparted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/12/2018 at 4:58 PM, krf139 said: A loss to get us closer to a top 5 draft pick On 10/12/2018 at 5:41 PM, nedboy7 said: What jersey you wearing Sunday? Watt? Or watson? 23 hours ago, krf139 said: Kelly Probably a Gamblers one, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, nucci said: this is just amazing... You think wins are the measure of a QB? You think winning with 82 yards passing is good and sustainable? In 2018? You probably wanted to move on from Tyrod right? Okay, wonderful. Now tell me how last week's passing attack was any better than what we had to watch with Tyrod. Or the week before that against Green Bay. Quarterbacks are performing at a historic clip in the NFL. 9 teams are averaging 300 passing yards a game or more with a 10th, Green Bay, at 299.8. 16 teams are averaging 268 passing yards a game or higher. The Bills are averaging 121.8, just about 25 yards less than Arizona who is 31st. There is no world in which this is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 A win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/12/2018 at 4:53 PM, nucci said: You would rather finish 4-12 than make the playoffs? You can't justify that with any logical reasoning. I just can't get over the fact that people would rather lose than win. This is just incredible to me Everyone wants to win. But no team is going anywhere in this league without a franchise qb. Ever. It starts and ends with that simple fact. So I'm saying if I had to pick one or the other, a win with my qb sucking or actually seeing him do well, showing progress, correct reads, mechanics, timing, pre snap adjustments, audibles, drawing a hard count penalty, accurate throws--it would mean much more to me because I'd feel better that we got the right guy. Josh has shown intelligence, drive, pocket presence and mobility thus far, but hasn't shown those other things. I wanna win 10+ games consistently for a dozen years, not hope we squeak out a .500 season every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Da webster guy said: Everyone wants to win. But no team is going anywhere in this league without a franchise qb. Ever. It starts and ends with that simple fact. 1 hour ago, Da webster guy said: I wanna win 10+ games consistently for a dozen years, not hope we squeak out a .500 season every year. Yes yes yes yes yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Everyone wants to win. But no team is going anywhere in this league without a franchise qb. Ever. It starts and ends with that simple fact. So I'm saying if I had to pick one or the other, a win with my qb sucking or actually seeing him do well, showing progress, correct reads, mechanics, timing, pre snap adjustments, audibles, drawing a hard count penalty, accurate throws--it would mean much more to me because I'd feel better that we got the right guy. Josh has shown intelligence, drive, pocket presence and mobility thus far, but hasn't shown those other things. I wanna win 10+ games consistently for a dozen years, not hope we squeak out a .500 season every year. if this happens , don't you think this will produce more wins? seems logical with this defense if Allen is playing well 3 hours ago, JM57 said: You think wins are the measure of a QB? You think winning with 82 yards passing is good and sustainable? In 2018? You probably wanted to move on from Tyrod right? Okay, wonderful. Now tell me how last week's passing attack was any better than what we had to watch with Tyrod. Or the week before that against Green Bay. Quarterbacks are performing at a historic clip in the NFL. 9 teams are averaging 300 passing yards a game or more with a 10th, Green Bay, at 299.8. 16 teams are averaging 268 passing yards a game or higher. The Bills are averaging 121.8, just about 25 yards less than Arizona who is 31st. There is no world in which this is good. No, I don't. I'm arguing that you guys are hoping Allen makes improvements over the season. Don't you think if Allen is playing better that will mean more wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, nucci said: if this happens , don't you think this will produce more wins? seems logical with this defense if Allen is playing well No, I don't. I'm arguing that you guys are hoping Allen makes improvements over the season. Don't you think if Allen is playing better that will mean more wins? In theory, of course. But truth be told I would rather see a 23-20 loss where Allen throws for 250 than a 13-12 win where he throws for 82. A win is a win in the standings, but I would sacrifice short term results for long term success, if that makes sense. This year should be about Allen's development and progress. Games like last week cannot be good for him in the big picture. I really hope having a defacto coach in Anderson to lean on/help him out in real time is beneficial. He definitely needs it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, JM57 said: In theory, of course. But truth be told I would rather see a 23-20 loss where Allen throws for 250 than a 13-12 win where he throws for 82. A win is a win in the standings, but I would sacrifice short term results for long term success, if that makes sense. This year should be about Allen's development and progress. Games like last week cannot be good for him in the big picture. I really hope having a defacto coach in Anderson to lean on/help him out in real time is beneficial. He definitely needs it. I do see the point about development and last weeks game was ugly. But winning helps development and team confidence....I still would rather see an ugly win than a pretty loss..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/12/2018 at 2:34 PM, Gugny said: Evidence that Josh Allen is learning from his mistakes. Josh Allen stays healthy. Play calling that makes sense on offense. Zay Jones continuing to show progress. McCoy staying healthy so he can be traded for at least a 3rd round pick. A win would be an awesome bonus! Josh Allen stays healthy. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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