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33 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....hmmm.....brilliant.....so he should be the candidate when HIS church is the target?......where the hell do these clowns come from?......

 

yes but with everyone losing their jobs to automation, everyone is going to be out of work.  Not just white racists.

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50 minutes ago, Albwan said:

"Oh ***** its fox news, where the %$#@ is cnn??"

 

CNN BREAKING NEWS: Celebrated Senator Elizabeth Warren invents new type of jet engine that runs on hopes, dreams, and unicorn farts. This engine not only creates no emissions, but it actually takes man-made pollution out of the air.

 

Up next, Jim Acosta reaffirms his heroism as he reports how the evil despot Donald Trump consumes two scoops of ice cream while he triples his carbon footprint by burning brown people at the stake. Will his unamerican madness ever end?

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I honestly am unhappy with Mayor Pete winning- he would be most difficult for Trump to challenge. His military status along with limited decisions to attack make him harder to bash. I do not think he wins nomination but I think Trump trounces all others.

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29 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I honestly am unhappy with Mayor Pete winning- he would be most difficult for Trump to challenge. His military status along with limited decisions to attack make him harder to bash. I do not think he wins nomination but I think Trump trounces all others.

  I just don't think that there are enough supporters behind the scenes for Mayor P.  Big money Dems have to be in a panic over the poor finish of Biden.  Probably the best they can do is hope that Bloomberg magically finds some momentum.

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5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I just don't think that there are enough supporters behind the scenes for Mayor P.  Big money Dems have to be in a panic over the poor finish of Biden.  Probably the best they can do is hope that Bloomberg magically finds some momentum.

 

Bernie's likely to get an early lead after early states.  The rest will have to catch him.  IMO the longer Biden stays in, the longer it will take others to pass Bernie.  Joe's not gonna do great but he'll have support that the others will badly need to overtake Bernie. 

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52 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I honestly am unhappy with Mayor Pete winning- he would be most difficult for Trump to challenge. His military status along with limited decisions to attack make him harder to bash. I do not think he wins nomination but I think Trump trounces all others.

 

I'm not so sure Pete could beat Donald. Pete polls at 0% with black voters. (yet somehow he had six black women behind him when he made his victory speech in Iowa of all places.). Death for a Democrat.  Add onto that Trump dishing the dirt on him for months on end. 

 

When you listen to him it's all platitudes and political cliches.  Of course the same could be said of a lot of them.

 

I'd vote for him over Trump but he's well down my list.

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"Pete Buttigieg is a liberal who makes people think he’s a moderate. Amid the 'Mayo Pete' and 'Pete is CIA' jeers of his left-wing critics, it can be easy to forget..."

 
"... what Buttigieg’s actual policy agenda is. That agenda would easily be the most progressive by any candidate for the general election in decades.... ...
 
[H]e’s endorsed and promoted: A $15-an-hour minimum wage/A universal child allowance of at least $2,000 per child, and quadrupling of the earned income tax credit for single adults/'Affordable, universal full-day child care and pre-K for all children from infancy to age 5'/A path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants/A Medicare buy-in open to all meant to 'create a natural glide-path to Medicare for All'/A cap on all student loan payments as a share of income, forgiven in full after 20 years/... DC/Puerto Rico statehood, banning gerrymandering, ending the Electoral College, and ending the filibuster/Expanding and reforming the Supreme Court to curb partisan rulings/Sectoral union bargaining where agreements apply to whole industries, not just individual companies/A carbon tax rebated to taxpayers in cash, plus a quadrupling of research and development funding for clean energy...  
 
Sanders and Warren have performed a valuable service by making the objectively quite ambitious agenda of Buttigieg appear, by comparison, incredibly mild, a centrist approach to expanding the safety net. A perception of relative moderation will most likely help, not hurt, the eventual nominee.... Sanders would terrify and turn out Trump’s base, whereas Buttigieg likely would not."

From "Pete Buttigieg is more electable than Bernie Sanders — and more progressive than you think/The fourth in a Vox series making the best case for each of the top Democratic contenders" (Vox).
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6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

"Pete Buttigieg is a liberal who makes people think he’s a moderate. Amid the 'Mayo Pete' and 'Pete is CIA' jeers of his left-wing critics, it can be easy to forget..."

 
"... what Buttigieg’s actual policy agenda is. That agenda would easily be the most progressive by any candidate for the general election in decades.... ...
 
[H]e’s endorsed and promoted: A $15-an-hour minimum wage/A universal child allowance of at least $2,000 per child, and quadrupling of the earned income tax credit for single adults/'Affordable, universal full-day child care and pre-K for all children from infancy to age 5'/A path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants/A Medicare buy-in open to all meant to 'create a natural glide-path to Medicare for All'/A cap on all student loan payments as a share of income, forgiven in full after 20 years/... DC/Puerto Rico statehood, banning gerrymandering, ending the Electoral College, and ending the filibuster/Expanding and reforming the Supreme Court to curb partisan rulings/Sectoral union bargaining where agreements apply to whole industries, not just individual companies/A carbon tax rebated to taxpayers in cash, plus a quadrupling of research and development funding for clean energy...  
 
Sanders and Warren have performed a valuable service by making the objectively quite ambitious agenda of Buttigieg appear, by comparison, incredibly mild, a centrist approach to expanding the safety net. A perception of relative moderation will most likely help, not hurt, the eventual nominee.... Sanders would terrify and turn out Trump’s base, whereas Buttigieg likely would not."

From "Pete Buttigieg is more electable than Bernie Sanders — and more progressive than you think/The fourth in a Vox series making the best case for each of the top Democratic contenders" (Vox).

Pete is very Liberal - he has taken a page from Obama to talk quietly and not push all the more radicalideas.

 

He may be a good guy but I do not understand how a small town mayor of an under performing city is ready to be president.  Before I hear the ...but Trump, he has led a large, global corporation with more budget and complexity than a small city.

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45 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

He can shove that 15 dollar minimum wage up his ass 

 

I'm torn on this one.  I like what Bernie says that if you work 40 hours in America you should be able to afford a place to live and food.

 

However the way it works is if you pay the lowest people more, you gotta pay everyone more AND it probably means less people hired cuz they cost too much.

 

There was an article in the Seattle Times the other day about robot pizza makers.  They mentioned the rising cost of labor as one of the reasons for it.  A couple of times.

 

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And why not? After all, robot bartenders, including for the home, are all the rage (although the top-of-the-line model will set you back the price of a luxury car). Moreover, with labor costs rising and margins falling, no one doubts that the future of the food service industry is automation, both behind the counter and in the kitchen.

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/we-made-pizza-we-made-robots-why-not-robot-pizza/

 

This all great for THE MAN and once again the little guy takes it in the shorts.  Sad.

 

Another option would be we just pay 25 cents more for a pizza or an extra 5 cents for a Big Mac and keep people employed.  Doesn't seem so bad.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Just Joshin' said:

Pete is very Liberal - he has taken a page from Obama to talk quietly and not push all the more radicalideas.

 

He may be a good guy but I do not understand how a small town mayor of an under performing city is ready to be president. 

 

If he gets the nod, expect the gay card to come out. Every critique, including and especially those that are policy based, will be met by the media with "Trump's KKK brand is now anti-LBQT!"

 

The race card got Obama elected. Twice. The gay card can get Pete elected. 

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3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

Another option would be we just pay 25 cents more for a pizza or an extra 5 cents for a Big Mac and keep people employed.  Doesn't seem so bad.

 

Doesn't seem so bad...until it does.

 

$15/hour sounds fair...until it doesn't. Suddenly it must be $18/hour. Or $20/hour. And it all sounds fair. Until it doesn't.

 

You get paid what you're worth. Not happy with your pay? Why is that the business-owner's fault if you're getting the market rate for your services?

 

Don't like McDonalds? Do you have any idea how easy it is in this country to learn a trade? Half the community colleges in this country will do it for free, funded by companies who need trade laborers. Plumbers. Welders. Electricians. Carpenters.

 

But that's not a message that works for liberals because it requires independent thought and self-accountability, and if you read enough posts here by Q-tip and Tibs, you know the average leftist is incapable of either of those things. It's not a question of what they can do to better themselves. It's a question of what can the government do to make it easier for their lazy asses to make more money in the laziest way possible.

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2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

He can shove that 15 dollar minimum wage up his ass 

I'm sure that it's not a stretch to assume that it wouldn't be the only thing that has been up there. That's what is called low hanging fruit. Not you, him. 

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2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

If he gets the nod, expect the gay card to come out. Every critique, including and especially those that are policy based, will be met by the media with "Trump's KKK brand is now anti-LBQT!"

 

The race card got Obama elected. Twice. The gay card can get Pete elected. 

 

….ok then, how do we address the "First Lady"?...….seems to be a possible conundrum...……..

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2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I'm torn on this one.  I like what Bernie says that if you work 40 hours in America you should be able to afford a place to live and food.

 

And you can.  You just might not be able to afford to live in about 2% of the country, which doesn't seem like much of a problem.

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5 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

If he gets the nod, expect the gay card to come out. Every critique, including and especially those that are policy based, will be met by the media with "Trump's KKK brand is now anti-LBQT!"

 

The race card got Obama elected. Twice. The gay card can get Pete elected. 

 

Don't be so sure that the openly gay card is going to play as well as many think with the democrat base. Blacks, for example, tend to not be fans of the gays. Not sure that Hispanics are either.

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1 hour ago, Koko78 said:

 

Don't be so sure that the openly gay card is going to play as well as many think with the democrat base. Blacks, for example, tend to not be fans of the gays. Not sure that Hispanics are either.

This country isn't ready for an openly gay person as president. 

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The real tragedy of 9/11 was the carbon emissions after all

 

 

I know their motto is, "don't let a disaster go to waste", but.....................These people are insane.

 

 

 

 

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