RosenNOTchosen1 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Bangarang said: Probably still not any good because we have little to no talent on offense and don’t have Reid scheming and calling plays. He'd still be excellent even in Buffalo IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Clause Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said: He'd still be excellent even in Buffalo IMO. Ok, throwing the ball to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 The Bills got Allen and Edmunds in the first round this year. Couldn't they have taken Mahomes at 10 and then traded back into the first to get Tredavious White? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 This game really comes down to play makers. That left handed throw for the first down,, the scrambles and td throws on the run. You can see it. He has IT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 .........We (the Chiefs) were down 10 into the 4th quarter at Denver, and we were the first team to win under those circumstances in 65 games there......he sucks. He threw 2 INTS vs JAcksonville AFTER we were up 30-7. ...and he threw 2 in New England, and we still hung 40 on them.... People have figure him out...YES, they have...you have to get pressure on him with your front 4, and give him confusing looks AND then you still need 35 points or more anyway because he rolls out of the pressure etc and makes long accurate throws anyway. ...He sucks... Alex Smith had the SAME weapons last year....except Watkins...the decoy....Smith is gone because he couldn't do what Mahomes is doing with the same talent around him. ....I would ask you NH fan....what would you need to see Mahomes do before you were impressed because leading the NFL in TD, QBR, with road wins at the Chargers, at the Broncos and at the Steelers and agains the no.1 defesne...hasn't impressed you so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: .........We (the Chiefs) were down 10 into the 4th quarter at Denver, and we were the first team to win under those circumstances in 65 games there......he sucks. He threw 2 INTS vs JAcksonville AFTER we were up 30-7. ...and he threw 2 in New England, and we still hung 40 on them.... People have figure him out...YES, they have...you have to get pressure on him with your front 4, and give him confusing looks AND then you still need 35 points or more anyway because he rolls out of the pressure etc and makes long accurate throws anyway. ...He sucks... Alex Smith had the SAME weapons last year....except Watkins...the decoy....Smith is gone because he couldn't do what Mahomes is doing with the same talent around him. ....I would ask you NH fan....what would you need to see Mahomes do before you were impressed because leading the NFL in TD, QBR, with road wins at the Chargers, at the Broncos and at the Steelers and agains the no.1 defesne...hasn't impressed you so far. Hes checked a ton of boxes. Longevity is next and of course only comes with time. We’ve seen a ton of good months and even many good seasons. It’ll be a matter of consistency, growth, health and a little luck from here but it’s been a great start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 It’s hard to believe Josh Allen will ever produce like Mahomes is producing right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, uticaclub said: It’s hard to believe Josh Allen will ever produce like Mahomes is producing right now Who believed, at any point, that Mahomes would be producing like Majomes right now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, SDS said: Who believed, at any point, that Mahomes would be producing like Majomes right now? Me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosenNOTchosen1 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2 hours ago, SDS said: Who believed, at any point, that Mahomes would be producing like Majomes right now? Lots of people. Even guys on WGR wanted him. Both Sal C. and Bulldog thought he'd be really good and wanted the Bills to draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 16 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said: "Hypothesis contrary to fact". I've lost track at how many times 2BD uses this ***** as gospel. Wait, you’re saying it’s fact he’d be great here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Wait, you’re saying it’s fact he’d be great here? I think he’s saying both positions are fallacies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 15 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: I’m just saying thinking Mahomes be the same in Buffalo as he is in KC is unrealistic. Different teams and different coaches.. he could be a bust here if they had drafted him.. who knows! I just try compare apples (talent around then) to apples is all. This is not true. The fact is Mahomes started a gm vs Denver on the road in week 17 . He played with his bkups vs the #1s on the Broncos . He ended up throwing for nearly 300 yds in less then 3 quarters of play. He also lead a late gm drive to win the gm after he was pulled midway threw the 3rd Quarter with the lead. Which KC gave away with the 3rd string QB playing. Im not saying Mahomes would be the machine he is now in KC with us. But he would definitly be turning heads and leading this team to a better record then we have right now. Btw had we drafted Mahomes maybe the direction McBeane goes in free agency and some of the trades we made would be different. Maybe we still have Sammy and a few other weapons. Maybe Mahomes would be lighting it up in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 4 hours ago, SDS said: Who believed, at any point, that Mahomes would be producing like Mahomes right now? I give Jeffmajic a lot of credit for wanting to draft Mahomes. With the Bill's offense and coaching he would likely get injured and ruined here. Losing Richie and Wood was a game changer for the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 5 hours ago, SDS said: Who believed, at any point, that Mahomes would be producing like Majomes right now? Probably very few, but it still was not smart of Mr. Process to pass on him and Watson to trade down and take a corner. That, imro, is a blueprint for losing football games for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Probably very few, but it still was not smart of Mr. Process to pass on him and Watson to trade down and take a corner. That, imro, is a blueprint for losing football games for many years. It was the typical Bills punt on a Quarterback strategy. They banked on the perceived wisdom that the 2018 class was much better than the 2017 class. That may still end up being true. But at the moment none of the 2018 guys has got close to the level of play Watson has demonstrated though his first 10 or 11 starts (and yes I know he sucked some on Sunday) or the level of play Mahomes has shown through his first 7 starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 A lot of us were pounding the lunch table for Mahomes. We jus didnt cry about it like jeffismagic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: .........We (the Chiefs) were down 10 into the 4th quarter at Denver, and we were the first team to win under those circumstances in 65 games there......he sucks. He threw 2 INTS vs JAcksonville AFTER we were up 30-7. ...and he threw 2 in New England, and we still hung 40 on them.... People have figure him out...YES, they have...you have to get pressure on him with your front 4, and give him confusing looks AND then you still need 35 points or more anyway because he rolls out of the pressure etc and makes long accurate throws anyway. ...He sucks... Alex Smith had the SAME weapons last year....except Watkins...the decoy....Smith is gone because he couldn't do what Mahomes is doing with the same talent around him. ....I would ask you NH fan....what would you need to see Mahomes do before you were impressed because leading the NFL in TD, QBR, with road wins at the Chargers, at the Broncos and at the Steelers and agains the no.1 defesne...hasn't impressed you so far. Dear lord, now we have Chiefs and Pats fans arguing with each other on the Bill's board? Can't you two take this discussion somewhere more appropriate? Like maybe inside an active volcano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said: I think he’s saying both positions are fallacies. I'm not so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 5 hours ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said: Lots of people. Even guys on WGR wanted him. Both Sal C. and Bulldog thought he'd be really good and wanted the Bills to draft him. You need to reread the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 8 hours ago, SDS said: Who believed, at any point, that Mahomes would be producing like Majomes right now? Watch this highlights from college. Sure it was spread offense but he produced. Josh Allen could throw the ball really far when coverage broke down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Watch this highlights from college. Sure it was spread offense but he produced. Josh Allen could throw the ball really far when coverage broke down Feel free to answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 8 hours ago, SDS said: Who believed, at any point, that Mahomes would be producing like Majomes right now? I thought he'd be special, but not at this level this early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, joesixpack said: I'm not so sure I was referring to both positions. I don't think Mahomes would be trash in Buffalo, nor do I think Allen would be torching teams in KC, but of course, no way to to prove either. I'd bet on talent. Mahomes is mastering chess out there. I'd really be intrigued to see of any QB who played elite ball so early in the league suddenly falling into mediocrity. Edited October 17, 2018 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Just now, TheElectricCompany said: I was referring to both positions. I don't think Mahomes would be trash in Buffalo, nor do I think Allen would be torching teams in KC, but of course, no way to to prove either. I'd bet on talent. Mahomes is mastering chess out there, and Allen is learning checkers. The gap isn't getting closer with Allen on the pine. talent =/= experience i think the difference in experience is one of the key factors in the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: talent =/= experience i think the difference in experience is one of the key factors in the difference. That, and being surrounded by the best supporting cast of pass catchers in the NFL (or perhaps 2nd-best if you favor the Rams' group) versus the worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, ALF said: I give Jeffmajic a lot of credit for wanting to draft Mahomes. With the Bill's offense and coaching he would likely get injured and ruined here. Losing Richie and Wood was a game changer for the OL. You forgetting me Billsareback at the time. So me and Jeff we’re the most vocal about drafting Mahomes Edited October 17, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: That, and being surrounded by the best supporting cast of pass catchers in the NFL (or perhaps 2nd-best if you favor the Rams' group) versus the worst. Chiefs 1 Falcons 2 Vikings 3 Rams 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, SDS said: Who believed, at any point, that Mahomes would be producing like Majomes right now? Me I was posting as billsareback back then and Jeffsmagic we both predicted farve like play and said he was a generational QB. Right after KC made the trade. Their GM came out and said he was a once and a generation QB. Me and Jeff both said he would lead the chiefs to the Super bowl several times over the course of his career. We were both mocked and laughed at and ridiculed. Jeff quit the stadium wall over the abuse he took from so called fellow posters. So yes there were a few others that believed what we did about Mahomes. Edited October 17, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said: Me I was posting as billsareback back then and Jeffsmagic we both predicted farve like play and said he was a generational QB. Right after KC made the trade. There GM came out and said he was a once and a generation QB. Me and Jeff both said he would lead the chiefs to the Super bowl several times over the course of his career. We both mocked and laughed at and ridiculed. Jeff quit the stadium wall over the abuse he took from so called fellow posters. So yes there were a few others that believed what we did about Mahomes. You were laughed at and ridiculed because (a) you came along months after many folks were already onto Mahomes, and (b) the tone of your posts was mock-worthy. Again, all you did was jump on the bandwagon an incredibly long time after other folks did the legwork and laid out the case for Mahomes, which several of us have posted publicly about, and you never bother to acknowledge or even deny. Edited October 17, 2018 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You were laughed at and ridiculed because (a) you came along months after many folks were already onto Mahomes, and (b) the tone of your posts was mock-worthy. Again, all you did was jump on the bandwagon an incredibly long time after other folks did the legwork and laid out the case for Mahomes, which several of us have posted publicly about, and you never bother to acknowledge or even deny. Your full of crap I started 2 mahomes threads on why we should draft him. Keep dreaming. I made my case before the draft so keep dreaming I jumped on after he was drafted Edited October 17, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said: Your full of crap I started 2 mahomes threads on why we should draft him. Keep dreaming. I made my case before the draft so keep dreaming I jumped on after he was drafted You came along after @Blokestradamus and I had posted about Mahomes for over 10 months. Evidence: Nice of you to come along 9 whole months later and claim to be The Mahomes Guy though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You came along after @Blokestradamus and I had posted about Mahomes for over 10 months. Evidence: Nice of you to come along 9 whole months later and claim to be The Mahomes Guy though ok so you were before me bandit. my argument is not with you. I came out with my support for him before the draft just like you. Do we both feel the same way. Yes I went a little overboard but that’s what I felt about Mahomes. I never said you did not like him or want to draft him. So if your looking for credit as being one of the first on 2 bills drive. Then you got it. You were one of the first to support drafting mahomes. Ok I said it. now will you give me credit for being so vocal before the draft on my passion for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, 17 Josh Allen said: ok so you were before me bandit. my argument is not with you. I came out with my support for him before the draft just like you. Do we both feel the same way. Yes I went a little overboard but that’s what I felt about Mahomes. I never said you did not like him or want to draft him. So if your looking for credit as being one of the first on 2 bills drive. Then you got it. You were one of the first to support drafting mahomes. Ok I said it. now will you give me credit for being so vocal before the draft on my passion for him. This has zero to do with getting any kind of credit; I've only ever taken exception to your claim that you were so mercilessly mocked for claiming Mahomes would be good. You weren't You got chided because of your delivery, not the opinion on its merits. You keep claiming this you-against-the-world position when it was quite different--even at the time. Many folks kept telling you even then that it wasn't you vs everyone on Mahomes, but you kept claiming it for some reason. That's why you got mocked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: That, and being surrounded by the best supporting cast of pass catchers in the NFL (or perhaps 2nd-best if you favor the Rams' group) versus the worst. I agree. Top to bottom, the Chiefs have #1 supporting cast in the league. The challenge is how much of a factor the supporting cast plays in his performance. We can't evaluate him outside the Chiefs so it's impossible to determine how much they are helping. Guessing here, but I would say they are improving his numbers 15-25%. If his numbers were 75% of his current output, he'd still be looking like an elite QB! If developing a QB is a marathon, Mahomes is starting at mile 13. He still has to be able to run, but it's easier for him to finish the race. Allen hasn't been spotted even a single mile! Edited October 17, 2018 by TheElectricCompany 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Mahomes wouldnt have much sucess in buffalo. He has a great coach and most importantly he has players that can make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said: Mahomes wouldnt have much sucess in buffalo. He has a great coach and most importantly he has players that can make plays. He would have a great defense here and wouldn’t need to score half as much Mahomes is a monster. He would be good anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, thebandit27 said: This has zero to do with getting any kind of credit; I've only ever taken exception to your claim that you were so mercilessly mocked for claiming Mahomes would be good. You weren't You got chided because of your delivery, not the opinion on its merits. You keep claiming this you-against-the-world position when it was quite different--even at the time. Many folks kept telling you even then that it wasn't you vs everyone on Mahomes, but you kept claiming it for some reason. That's why you got mocked. Your wrong people did not like my take on why I thought he would be good for the Bills. They say prove to us why he’s going to be good. They would say no good QB has ever came out of that Conference. I kept posting and showing different highlights from his college games and stats and their response was he plays in a college football league that does not play defense. Don’t get on me for defending mahomes and being so stead fast on why the Bills should draft him. At least I showed passion for him and had 1000 percent conviction for him. I stuck my neck out and was not shy about doing it. Just like Jeffsmagic did. So don’t blame me for people having problems with how vocal I was about drafting the kid. Your problem is you did not like the way I went about it. I could give 2 flying Fuks that you did not like my posts or my passion about Mahomes. I put myself out there and laid it on the line for mahomes. If your feelings got hurt over it, Oh well to bad. I will say what I want about the subject, and oh by the way, me and Jeffsmagic were million percent right about Mahomes. It feels good to be vindicated. So keep on posting about how your hurt feelings are. No one cares. Edited October 17, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, 17 Josh Allen said: Your wrong people did not like my take on why I thought he would be good for the Bills. They say prove to us why he’s going to be good. They would say no good QB has ever came out of that Conference. I kept posting and showing different highlights from his college games and stats and their response was he plays in a college football league that does not play defense. Don’t get on me for defending mahomes and being so stead fast on why the Bills should draft him. At least I showed passion for him and had 1000 percent conviction for him. I stuck my neck out and was not shy about doing it. Just like Jeffsmagic did. So don’t blame me for people having problems with how vocal I was about drafting the kid. Your problem is you did not like the way I went about it. I could give 2 flying Fuks that you did not like my posts or my passion about Mahomes. I put myself out there and laid it on the line for mahomes. If your feelings got hurt over it, Oh well to bad. I will say what I want about the subject, and oh by the way, me and Jeffsmagic were million percent right about Mahomes. It feels good to be vindicated. So keep on posting about how your hurt feelings are. No one cares. This post is exactly why you get mocked mercilessly You continue to act like you had some groundbreaking take that everyone dissed, when in fact it was your personality that caught you the flack. There were so many Mahomes threads that the mods had to merge them into a thread that was called "The only Mahomes thread you need", but yeah, your thinking was revolutionary But keep on with that you-against-the-world facade, because it sure beats your iambic pentameter posts of yore for pure entertainment value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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