vincec Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 1:19 AM, Ol Dirty B said: Honestly, I don't think it fits into either sides agenda. We can't really judge Allen because he has been handed ****. And Mahomes was handed keys to a Benz after sitting behind a starter. I could make a mismanagement argument but I've done that enough. The Mahomes vs Allen argument is just bad on both ends. He has an offensive minded coach on a roster loaded with talent. Allen has been throw to the wolves behind an awful line, no wr's, and a coach who appears to not give two ***** about that side of the ball. Sorry that was my own personal bias creeping in at the end. Maybe he can bring Chan Gailey out of retirement. With McDermott not giving a crap about offense and Gailey not giving a crap about defense it might be a match made in heaven. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Quick question: I have Mahomes (ranked 1 for the week) and Brady (ranked 2) in my one fantasy league. Who do you start? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Read an interesting ESPN article on how Mahomes has not been made to fit into the mold of every other QB: The binary nature of his sports journey in many ways helped shape the playing style that NFL fans are just waking up to. More than his rocket arm, Mahomes relies on instinctive breaks from the pocket to find open receivers. Mahomes referred to it as "using every inch of green grass on the field, whether horizontally or vertically." Kingsbury attributed it to the unexpected but rewarding consequence of splitting time between baseball and football in his youth. "He just wasn't overcoached," Kingsbury said. "Maybe by not having the quarterback tutors that would have worked on his fundamentals, telling him he always had to step to his target and have his elbow at a certain angle. Maybe that helped him learn to throw the football on his own. He has touch and accuracy from different angles and different platforms. His ball just has a natural way of coming out, and you can see that in the way he plays." Quote: "Those off-schedule throws are a part of who he is," Kingsbury said. "You see some guys that got repped over and over on certain fundamentals that limit them. He plays with a freeness and throws with a freeness that allows him to do spectacular things. He was never really corralled into a mechanical five-step drop, stay in the pocket, find your check downs. He was always allowed to cut it loose and play. There have been skeptics at every level saying it won't work. But that's what he's really good at." To make it work, however, he needed a coach who would welcome an unorthodox quarterback and was all about challenging convention. As it turned out, Reid had been building toward this moment for more than a decade. I hope they’re not trying to fit square Josh into a round hole. That roll out and non-throw to Zay in the end zone is concerning. That’s exactly the kind of play we got Josh Allen for. He needs to let those loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Quick question: I have Mahomes (ranked 1 for the week) and Brady (ranked 2) in my one fantasy league. Who do you start? ? Allen ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 13 hours ago, thebandit27 said: No, you owe me and @Blokestradamus a huge apology for being a Johnny-come-lately copycat on Mahomes, and never once in 3 years acknowledging that you were late to the party on him It's really easy to piggyback on the hard work and hours upon hours of grinding through game video that someone else does and then try to pass their opinion off as your own. But since I'm sure that you'll once again breeze right on past this fact, I'll just take it as a compliment that at least you knew who's opinion to copy. ? It's time that I came clean. I'm actually Kliff Kingsbury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 18 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: You seem like the type that's gonna stick with this through thick and thin. If Mahomes wins a Superbowl, you'll be saying, "Doug Williams won ONE Superbowl!" "Let's see what he does now that teams are keying on him!" Just let it go. You and people here are the ones not letting it go. I don't like Mahomes and I despise the Chefs. Again, I'm not willing to crown him with any titles after a few weeks. Lets see if he can sustain the success first. Prescott looked great for a season and then what? And just so you don't try and spin this as just a dislike for a player, I really can't stand Brady and New England, yet I can give credit where credit is due, Brady is one of the best to ever play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Yav said: You and people here are the ones not letting it go. I don't like Mahomes and I despise the Chefs. Again, I'm not willing to crown him with any titles after a few weeks. Lets see if he can sustain the success first. Prescott looked great for a season and then what? And just so you don't try and spin this as just a dislike for a player, I really can't stand Brady and New England, yet I can give credit where credit is due, Brady is one of the best to ever play the game. It's odd that you keep comparing him to "certain" QB's. Prescott looked like a solid, unspectacular QB his rookie season. He's regressed and I'm a little surprised. I've never liked Watson. I don't see him improving much beyond what you see. Mahomes is different and most people who dispassionately watch football can see that. To each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 19 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: The Jimmy G who was barely winning games, and threw 7TD and 5 pics in those 5 games? That guy? LOL. I don't suspect many of you have had many chances to watch Mahomes play..the guy from twitter isn't wrong about what he says about Mahomes game. He is accurate from anywhere on the field moving left or right...AND, he is just isn't phased by pressure. He never stops looking downfield. You may find my thoughts on this to be biased...and thats fair....but go watch some film/games/etc.....I'm not trying to portray him as something that you can't see when you look for yourself. Look at the WR/TE/RB on KC now look what Jimmy G did that with in SF.. (oh in his 1 1/2 starts in NE with talent he had 4 TD passes and 0 INT.) so the fact he still won with a crappy team around him is actually more impressive than Mahomes. 18 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: 11-2 as a starter. Secured homefield advantage. Came in second in total TD passes only playing 13 games. Highest TD% in the league. Highest QBR in the league. But you're right. Maybe he still might suck. How’s he looking this year? Facing better teams than a 4th place team does?? Ya not so good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 That guy Whaley is still hanging around? Or perhaps they should just fire someone at random just to let Whaley know they didn't like his trade out of that 10th pick? How about we just hire someone so we can turn right around and fire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Look at the WR/TE/RB on KC now look what Jimmy G did that with in SF.. (oh in his 1 1/2 starts in NE with talent he had 4 TD passes and 0 INT.) so the fact he still won with a crappy team around him is actually more impressive than Mahomes. How’s he looking this year? Facing better teams than a 4th place team does?? Ya not so good.. Well uh he’s got a higher YPA, higher YPG, higher YPC, higher passer rating and half the interception% of Tom Brady so, he’s looking fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 6:20 AM, John from Riverside said: I think Allen is gonna be fine...this experience will be good for him....just gotta get him some actual NFL help..... Mahommes fell into a great situation...happy fo rhim.....but the fact is Mahommes behind this line with these receivers starting in his first year would be the exact same thing we have with Josh Allen now Not at all. Mahomes is a real QB . Allen is TE . Allen has never ever been as good as Mahomes not in college and now in the pros. Let's face it our organization is trash and it starts at the top with Kim and Terry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: Not at all. Mahomes is a real QB . Allen is TE . Allen has never ever been as good as Mahomes not in college and now in the pros. Let's face it our organization is trash and it starts at the top with Kim and Terry. go away. Edited October 11, 2018 by no name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 26 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: Not at all. Mahomes is a real QB . Allen is TE . Allen has never ever been as good as Mahomes not in college and now in the pros. Let's face it our organization is trash and it starts at the top with Kim and Terry. Dumbest post ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Well uh he’s got a higher YPA, higher YPG, higher YPC, higher passer rating and half the interception% of Tom Brady so, he’s looking fine? Ya and he also played half the games.. and he is 1-2 as a starter beating only the lowly Colts and failing score more than 26 points in a game yet. Trust me I want him break out he is my Fantasy QB lol i see the Eagles finishing 9-7 maybe even 8-8 if they blow one of the games inside their own division. Edited October 11, 2018 by PatsFanNH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: Not at all. Mahomes is a real QB . Allen is TE . Allen has never ever been as good as Mahomes not in college and now in the pros. Let's face it our organization is trash and it starts at the top with Kim and Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 42 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: Not at all. Mahomes is a real QB . Allen is TE . Allen has never ever been as good as Mahomes not in college and now in the pros. Let's face it our organization is trash and it starts at the top with Kim and Terry. Wow! First Allen is a rookie on a team devoid of any real talent on O outside of your RB. While Mahommes has Elite talent at WR/TE and RB. The Bills O line is scarier than any horror movie while Mahommes has a top 7 line. Third, Allen is a true rookie never having the chance to learn under a good QB, while Mahommes sat for a year under a decent QB.. i understand not liking yiur QB but to be so unfair I. Your judgement IMO is wrong.. your comparing Apples and Oranges here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Ya and he also played half the games.. and he is 1-2 as a starter beating only the lowly Colts and failing score more than 26 points in a game yet. Trust me I want him break out he is my Fantasy QB lol i see the Eagles finishing 9-7 maybe even 8-8 if they blow one of the games inside their own division. That's why I used per attempt and per game stats. Edited October 11, 2018 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: That's why I used per attempt and per game stats. Again he will finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs.. and with worse stats than Brady.. so what’s your point? That he puts up great stats and still loses? What is he the lions QB NOW? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Again he will finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs.. and with worse stats than Brady.. so what’s your point? That he puts up great stats and still loses? What is he the lions QB NOW? Lol What a deranged comment. It's week 5 lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 10:17 PM, zonabb said: McD is not Andy Reid. Kid is good but Reid and the weapons are huges reason for is success, as well as the patience to sit him for a year. Most wanted to play Allen right away and that was and is a mistake. I think Allen's collapse (eventual) and Mahomes success (eventual) will cost this regime. QBs cost management their jobs. Pegulla can only blame himself. Who hires a coach first, let’s him run the draft with a lame duck GM, then hires a GM after the draft??? maybe a really good experienced GM would have picked Mahomes with our 16 pick? Then the 15 GMs ahead of us could be fired too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 8 hours ago, Yav said: You and people here are the ones not letting it go. I don't like Mahomes and I despise the Chefs. Again, I'm not willing to crown him with any titles after a few weeks. Lets see if he can sustain the success first. Prescott looked great for a season and then what? And just so you don't try and spin this as just a dislike for a player, I really can't stand Brady and New England, yet I can give credit where credit is due, Brady is one of the best to ever play the game. At what point would you admit we should have picked Mahomes? I'm seriously asking. I feel like people push off the judgment down the line until they can say "Stop living in the past!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Again he will finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs.. and with worse stats than Brady.. so what’s your point? That he puts up great stats and still loses? What is he the lions QB NOW? Lol LOL. Tough take on a night like tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Let's not put Mahomes in the hall of fame just yet. I feel like we went through a similar discussion about Derek Carr about 4-5 years ago, and how has that worked out for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Talkin Proud said: Let's not put Mahomes in the hall of fame just yet. I feel like we went through a similar discussion about Derek Carr about 4-5 years ago, and how has that worked out for him? Uhm. One of the better young QB's in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Chemical said: At what point would you admit we should have picked Mahomes? I'm seriously asking. I feel like people push off the judgment down the line until they can say "Stop living in the past!" Never. He clearly wasn’t what the Bills wanted and I seriously doubt he would be doing anything with the WR group the Bills have. the question is at what point would you admit no QB is going to look good with the Bills WRs? I feel like people come to judgement too fast because they are living in the past. Time will tell on Mahomes. Sure 5 games in and playing with a stacked offensive roster he looks good, but again Prescott looked great playing behind the best OL at the time in football and with Elliot running the ball with success, but nobody now is saying Prescott is a future HOFer. Everything needs to be taken in perspective. hes had a good start (5 games) playing with great playmakers at RB, TE & WR. Edited October 12, 2018 by Yav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Uhm. One of the better young QB's in the NFL? Well the Raiders are 1-4 he can't be that great. And they were 6-10 last year. That's all my point was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, Talkin Proud said: Well the Raiders are 1-4 he can't be that great. And they were 6-10 last year. That's all my point was. Oh. Well he’s pretty good. You should watch him some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Again he will finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs.. and with worse stats than Brady.. so what’s your point? That he puts up great stats and still loses? What is he the lions QB NOW? Lol Ohhhhh noooooooooooooooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Uhm. One of the better young QB's in the NFL? Really? Because raider fans def dont feel that way....they feel that they got a guy who had a ton of promise in that first year and then backslid badly.....right now the guy is an interception machine and cant put hi team on his back and win Not saying that is gonna be Mahommes because I honestly dont know......but lets not act like Carr is playing well right now 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Really? Because raider fans def dont feel that way....they feel that they got a guy who had a ton of promise in that first year and then backslid badly.....right now the guy is an interception machine and cant put hi team on his back and win Not saying that is gonna be Mahommes because I honestly dont know......but lets not act like Carr is playing well right now Odd post. Carr is 5th in yards, 4th in completion percentage, and 8th in YPA, Just going to throw this out there but it's possible Carr is just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, VW82 said: Odd post. Carr is 5th in yards, 4th in completion percentage, and 8th in YPA, Just going to throw this out there but it's possible Carr is just fine. He is also turning the ball over at the worst times and his team is not winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: He is also turning the ball over at the worst times and his team is not winning Neither is ours. And Derek Carr has thrown 110 TD’s to 52 INTs in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: He is also turning the ball over at the worst times and his team is not winning The turnovers haven't been great though he's had a few really unlucky ones. I'd argue his team isn't winning because their defense sucks and their head coach shouldn't be a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Right now, I'd put Carr in the Tannehill/ Matt Stafford catagory. And my original comparison was that Mahomes could easily fall into that catagory as well. Don't underestimate the Andy Reid factor, that guy is an offensive Mastermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Really? Because raider fans def dont feel that way....they feel that they got a guy who had a ton of promise in that first year and then backslid badly.....right now the guy is an interception machine and cant put hi team on his back and win Not saying that is gonna be Mahommes because I honestly dont know......but lets not act like Carr is playing well right now Carr also was an MVP candidate in his third year, and won 12 games as a starter, so this "backslid after a first year" is just completely wrong. Let's try to pay attention to the league a little more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Talkin Proud said: Let's not put Mahomes in the hall of fame just yet. I feel like we went through a similar discussion about Derek Carr about 4-5 years ago, and how has that worked out for him? Derek carr never played as well as mahomes has in granted, what is a limited sample size. Yet choose any 5 game stretch from his career and I'm pretty sure he never matches it. 33 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Carr also was an MVP candidate in his third year, and won 12 games as a starter, so this "backslid after a first year" is just completely wrong. Let's try to pay attention to the league a little more. Yea Carr's first year stats were not impressive. I didn't watch a lot of them that year, but I kept hearing about him and I'd look at his stats like wtf? But I guess he showed flashes and 2nd yr was when he came alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2016 the Raiders went 12-4. Looked every bit as good as Mahomes does now, he looked like the new Tom Brady. Bills fans were flipping out that we could have drafted him. One good winning season, then a handful of... Not winning seasons. Plus he wears eyeliner. What about Dak Prescott? He had that one magical season too. Mahommes is PROBABLY just the flavor of the week, he's only had 5 games. Again, not fitting him for a gold jacket quite yet. Or maybe he will be the new Tom Brady. Who knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 47 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Carr also was an MVP candidate in his third year, and won 12 games as a starter, so this "backslid after a first year" is just completely wrong. Let's try to pay attention to the league a little more. If you cannot tell that Carr has not fallen off his fast start I dont know what to tell you.....if Josh Allen end up being Carr good in his career ppl like you will be losing their damn minds and falling over themselves to criticize him (even more then you doing after 5 friggen games) Your takes are so lame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 31 page long thread. Has anyone been fired regarding the Mahomes mishap yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: 31 page long thread. Has anyone been fired regarding the Mahomes mishap yet? Doug Whaley the actual GM during the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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