The Process Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 For the entire tuhrod tenure I felt sick on third and more than 5 yards. Yesterday....it just felt different. I remember back in the glory years it was relaxing to see Kelly in shotgun Reed loaded for bear on third down. I felt a little of that yesterday.....anyone else feel that way? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, The Process said: For the entire tuhrod tenure I felt sick on third and more than 5 yards. Yesterday....it just felt different. I remember back in the glory years it was relaxing to see Kelly in shotgun Reed loaded for bear on third down. I felt a little of that yesterday.....anyone else feel that way? Yes. It feels like anything is possible. Fourth and 8 in the fourth quarter when they lined up and let the play clock expire, I was thinking "it's okay, go for it." 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Process said: For the entire tuhrod tenure I felt sick on third and more than 5 yards. Yesterday....it just felt different. I remember back in the glory years it was relaxing to see Kelly in shotgun Reed loaded for bear on third down. I felt a little of that yesterday.....anyone else feel that way? I feel sick that tuhrod wasted the buffalo careers of Woods, Goodwin, Watkins, and Hogan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Process said: For the entire tuhrod tenure I felt sick on third and more than 5 yards. Yesterday....it just felt different. I remember back in the glory years it was relaxing to see Kelly in shotgun Reed loaded for bear on third down. I felt a little of that yesterday.....anyone else feel that way? Yes. Loved the description from Micah Hyde when he saw Allen hurdle a LB to get the 1st down. Said he was standing up screaming, ran onto the field "to dab him up" (congratulate him) - "But don't ever do that again" If the team was checking out, starting Allen is a credit card that checked them all in. Well, most of them, Benjamin seems resistant. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Something else that felt different: in the past, the Bills have had a penchant for reaching into the jaws of victory to snatch defeat. So much so that my definition of a "comfortable" lead is a 7-to-1 ratio: 7 points for every minute left in the game. Yesterday, about 3 minutes into the 3rd quarter, I felt very comfortable with a 1-to-1 ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 49 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Yes. It feels like anything is possible. Fourth and 8 in the fourth quarter when they lined up and let the play clock expire, I was thinking "it's okay, go for it." I really wanted them to go for it, but Josh Allen did his best Clappy McClapperson imitation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I know exactly what you mean - 3rd down was always a point of complete lack of confidence that we could convert, and any result to the otherwise was met with equal surprise. Especially under Tyrod, you just could never count on the offense doing anything to convert 3rd downs. We've established, ad nauseam, that it was due to Dennison and Taylor primarily, but Allen makes or at least attempts the throws that we haven't seen in a hot minute from this team. I always equated it to the Pats offense, or other offenses where the momentum is so palpable that you can't help but feel like they were going to drive the field and score. It'd be nice to see some of that again, and get that feeling back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes. Loved the description from Micah Hyde when he saw Allen hurdle a LB to get the 1st down. Said he was standing up screaming, ran onto the field "to dab him up" (congratulate him) - "But don't ever do that again" If the team was checking out, starting Allen is a credit card that checked them all in. Well, most of them, Benjamin seems resistant. Benjamin is going to have to figure it out quickly if Allen keeps beaning him with the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Process said: For the entire tuhrod tenure I felt sick on third and more than 5 yards. Yesterday....it just felt different. I remember back in the glory years it was relaxing to see Kelly in shotgun Reed loaded for bear on third down. I felt a little of that yesterday.....anyone else feel that way? Wow, I'm not there yet. I never felt sick on 3rd downs with Tyrod. I remember that guy picking up plenty of 3rd downs with crazy runs and pocket escapes. Edited September 24, 2018 by stony 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, stony said: Wow, I'm not there yet. I never felt sick on 3rd downs with Tyrod. I remember that guy picking up more 3rd downs with crazy runs and pocket escapes. Yea but at least it's not a 2-3 yard dump off. That's the one thing I like seeing. Allen is looking for the sticks, not the safety valve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Yea but at least it's not a 2-3 yard dump off. That's the one thing I like seeing. Allen is looking for the sticks, not the safety valve. Exactly. He has a presence and awareness about him already that Tyrod rarely displayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: I feel sick that tuhrod wasted the buffalo careers of Woods, Goodwin, Watkins, and Hogan I get wet thinking what Allen could do throwing deep to Goodwin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: I get wet thinking what Allen could do throwing deep to Goodwin Same thing that is happening with Foster right now. Drops. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Same thing that is happening with Foster right now. Drops. I remember Goodwin dropping contested catches, or hitch routes... but he was usually pretty money on the over the shoulder deep balls when Tuhrod threw them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, PolishPrince said: I remember Goodwin dropping contested catches, or hitch routes... but he was usually pretty money on the over the shoulder deep balls when Tuhrod threw them Managed to find the EZ yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Every down felt different. I feel like a first down is possible at anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Managed to find the EZ yesterday Found the field too, unlike last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 we actually get chink plays from the passing offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 It did not feel different. It is different. Allen forces defense to respect damn near the whole field on every down. Since 3rd and 10 is well with Allens' ability to convert, teams have to consider that the bills can go for it on first and second down every series . If the bills no five yards on second and 10, but there is a five a yard penalty, its not a no brainer too put the Bills back five yards for second and 15 any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 10 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: I feel sick that tuhrod wasted the buffalo careers of Woods, Goodwin, Watkins, and Hogan EJ had a say in the matter as well. 41 minutes ago, Mark92 said: Every down felt different. I feel like a first down is possible at anytime. It was nice to see good chunkage ( is that a word)? on first down. Loved seeing 2nd and 4 and 3 and 1 as often as we did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, stony said: Wow, I'm not there yet. I never felt sick on 3rd downs with Tyrod. I remember that guy picking up plenty of 3rd downs with crazy runs and pocket escapes. yeah, tyrod definitely had his share of highlights while in buffalo. but this past season, they seemed to be less frequent. but allen seems to be not only dynamic with his arm and legs...this dude's "want to" is off the charts! don't crush me for saying this, but he plays like Fitz but with the physical tools to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said: yeah, tyrod definitely had his share of highlights while in buffalo. but this past season, they seemed to be less frequent. but allen seems to be not only dynamic with his arm and legs...this dude's "want to" is off the charts! don't crush me for saying this, but he plays like Fitz but with the physical tools to back it up. Ha! No need to crush you, I know what you're saying. It's important for a QB to have a little Fitz in him if you know what I mean. Tyrod could have used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said: yeah, tyrod definitely had his share of highlights while in buffalo. but this past season, they seemed to be less frequent. but allen seems to be not only dynamic with his arm and legs...this dude's "want to" is off the charts! don't crush me for saying this, but he plays like Fitz but with the physical tools to back it up. In honor of Josh Allen day, I won't crush you for saying that. But that is the only free pass. Other than the fact that they play the same position, there is nothing similar about them. Allen could also never grow the fitzpatrick mountain man beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, stony said: Ha! No need to crush you, I know what you're saying. It's important for a QB to have a little Fitz in him if you know what I mean. Tyrod could have used it. my man crush on Fitz is well documented here in the hallowed halls of TBD. i have always respected him for giving everything he had and being a good guy, and such an interesting and entertaining guy. 1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said: In honor of Josh Allen day, I won't crush you for saying that. But that is the only free pass. Other than the fact that they play the same position, there is nothing similar about them. Allen could also never grow the fitzpatrick mountain man beard. the fearless attitude on the field. allen has so much more natural talent than Fitz. but i have always said the Fitz approaches the position the way i want my qb to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said: my man crush on Fitz is well documented here in the hallowed halls of TBD. i have always respected him for giving everything he had and being a good guy, and such an interesting and entertaining guy. the fearless attitude on the field. allen has so much more natural talent than Fitz. but i have always said the Fitz approaches the position the way i want my qb to play it. I was mostly kidding, and understand what you are getting at. But there is a difference. Fitz "takes chances" . Allen executes difficult to execute plays. He is not taking chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 11 hours ago, The Process said: For the entire tuhrod tenure I felt sick on third and more than 5 yards. Yesterday....it just felt different. I remember back in the glory years it was relaxing to see Kelly in shotgun Reed loaded for bear on third down. I felt a little of that yesterday.....anyone else feel that way? Pretty sure I’ve had the same feeling since Kelly retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said: I was mostly kidding, and understand what you are getting at. But there is a difference. Fitz "takes chances" . Allen executes difficult to execute plays. He is not taking chances. fitz is an absolute gambler, because he has a "gunslinger's" mentality in a game manager's body. Allen has all the tools you could ever want, and appears to have the work ethic and desire as well. and he has already displayed some serious leadership skills, both on the field and on the sideline. i am all kinds of excited for this kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, swnybillsfan said: fitz is an absolute gambler, because he has a "gunslinger's" mentality in a game manager's body. Allen has all the tools you could ever want, and appears to have the work ethic and desire as well. and he has already displayed some serious leadership skills, both on the field and on the sideline. i am all kinds of excited for this kid! Allen is special. Already the most entertaining QB in the league to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, PlayoffsPlease said: Allen is special. Already the most entertaining QB in the league to watch. i love his competitive fire. he seems like a good kid. and it appears he is learning from his mistakes and growing every week (i know it is a small sample size, but darn it, it's exciting!). we know he has the rocket launcher and the athleticism, but it appears he is really working on what were supposed to be the apparent flaws in his game. oh yeah, and this kid's highlight reel is full of positive expletives...i cannot wait for the next game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 hour ago, swnybillsfan said: fitz is an absolute gambler, because he has a "gunslinger's" mentality in a game manager's body. Allen has all the tools you could ever want, and appears to have the work ethic and desire as well. and he has already displayed some serious leadership skills, both on the field and on the sideline. i am all kinds of excited for this kid! You are back on notice. After the first half of tonight's game. Fitz comparisons to Allen are banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 4 hours ago, ctk232 said: I know exactly what you mean - 3rd down was always a point of complete lack of confidence that we could convert, and any result to the otherwise was met with equal surprise. Especially under Tyrod, you just could never count on the offense doing anything to convert 3rd downs. We've established, ad nauseam, that it was due to Dennison and Taylor primarily, but Allen makes or at least attempts the throws that we haven't seen in a hot minute from this team. I always equated it to the Pats offense, or other offenses where the momentum is so palpable that you can't help but feel like they were going to drive the field and score. It'd be nice to see some of that again, and get that feeling back. I actually remember reading that Tyrod had one of the better 3rd down conversion rates out of all the quarterbacks in the league. I'm trying to find the article now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes. Loved the description from Micah Hyde when he saw Allen hurdle a LB to get the 1st down. Said he was standing up screaming, ran onto the field "to dab him up" (congratulate him) - "But don't ever do that again" If the team was checking out, starting Allen is a credit card that checked them all in. Well, most of them, Benjamin seems resistant. That's because he already "knows" he's the #1. He is such a tool, truly entitled, acts "untouchable" because he's the "#1, right?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 3 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: we actually get chink plays from the passing offense No need to be racially insensitive about it. https://m.imgur.com/t/funny/XZzKY5J 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 It was a great game, and incredible start, but I did feel like the game could have been much difderent if not for the PF against Minnesota on the Bills first 3rd down of the game. It would have been 3 and out to start the game. Instead, the penalty extended what would become a very nice drive, capped by a team sparking Superman dive from beyond the 4 yard line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) I finally realized what feels different now. It's a feeling that has been missing since Kelly. Allen is threatening to a defense. It feels like he can put a defense back on it's heels. The last 20 years of QBs, not one of them really provided that feeling. They gotta get some guys that can get around the whole field quick, and really spread the secondary out. He can get the ball there so fast, it will really play on their minds (and the D-Coordinators). Edited September 25, 2018 by OJ Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 6 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: You are back on notice. After the first half of tonight's game. Fitz comparisons to Allen are banned. well, i had good intentions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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