Brandon Bean failed to provide Josh Allen a mentor

[Seanbillsfan2206]

THESE ARE ALL NEW DEVELOPMENTS 

[Hebert19]

4 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Was making a post in the Matt Moore thread and realized I havent seen a post on this topic yet.  The most annoying thing about this Bills leadership team (who a support btw) is how poor a job they have done setting up Allen for success.  

 

1.  Their QB coach is a career WR coach.  

2.  Their backup might be the worst QB to start a game in the history of the NFL.

3.  This WR group may be one of the worst in the league...not this year but in the last 10 years.  No number 1...a number 2 that should be a 3...and then scrubs.  

4.  A terrible oline.

 

The fact that they aren't trying to improve the situation at all for him is awful.  While I dont believe it's the answer you have guys like Dez and Maclin out there...you cut kerley who has proven to be dependable in this league...and you have done nothing to improve the oline or the backup situation.  Who helps josh with film.  Talks to him on sidelines.  Daboll is in the !@#$ing booth and Nate is clearly terrible.  

 

This is why this team wont turn around as fast as they should.   The development of their franchise qb will be slowed or stunted by all this ****. 

 

Not sure why this was merged.  This is more than a mentor.  This is a coach oline ans weapons discussion too.  More than just getting him a mentor.  That's one of several issues. 

1 minute ago, COTC said:

The original plan was to not have Josh play. 

 

Beane imploded that plan, now he gets baptism by fire. 

 

Sink or swim. 

Doesnt mean he shouldn't try and make some moves to help.  Hes standing idle. 

[Domdab99]

How does anyone here know who or who isn't mentoring Josh Allen? 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Domdab99 said:

How does anyone here know who or who isn't mentoring Josh Allen? 

 

 

Someone didn't read the linked article in the OP in order to understand the point. 

[Domdab99]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Someone didn't read the linked article in the OP in order to understand the point. 

 

someone else doesn't know what I did or didn't read. Which is entirely my point. 

[26CornerBlitz]

7 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

someone else doesn't know what I did or didn't read. Which is entirely my point. 

 

You couldn't have because the point is a veteran QB as a mentor and teammate to Allen like McCown is to Darnold. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Domdab99]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You couldn't have because the point is a veteran QB as a mentor amd teammate to Allen like McCown is to Darnold. 

 

no ****

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Domdab99 said:

 

no ****

 

In light of this post, the one I originally responded to makes no sense. 

[Domdab99]

(sigh) if you say so

[formerlyofCtown]

On 9/17/2018 at 1:58 PM, GrizzReaper said:

I read an article uhhh let me put the link https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/17/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-brandon-beane/

 

Ok so I think us Bills fans really need to pay attention to how this plays out. This article makes a valid point imo. Beane may have severely handicapped Josh Allen this season by not having some sort of vet on the roster to help mentor and guide him.

 

I mentioned in the gameday thread that I thought Allen did ok but he needs work and reps diagnosing defenses, where pressure is coming, setting up his protection. So I'm wondering how important having a wily vet in the QB room may be to his ability to learn that stuff...

 

Who is in the room helping him watch film? I feel like Beane needs to pull some sort of veteran into the building to help this guy learn to be a pro. As it stands I don't see who there is on the Bills staff or roster that can help this guy learn the job quicker.

 

So I think we need to be mindful of that. The fact that Beane put us in this particular position. I'm not going to call for his head or anything just yet but I think we need to be aware of it. If it goes wrong... That's a pretty big blunder imo.

True.  Just like the Colt's failed to provide Manning a mentor.

[BigDingus]

On 9/17/2018 at 12:58 PM, GrizzReaper said:

I read an article uhhh let me put the link https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/17/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-brandon-beane/

 

Ok so I think us Bills fans really need to pay attention to how this plays out. This article makes a valid point imo. Beane may have severely handicapped Josh Allen this season by not having some sort of vet on the roster to help mentor and guide him.

 

I mentioned in the gameday thread that I thought Allen did ok but he needs work and reps diagnosing defenses, where pressure is coming, setting up his protection. So I'm wondering how important having a wily vet in the QB room may be to his ability to learn that stuff...

 

Who is in the room helping him watch film? I feel like Beane needs to pull some sort of veteran into the building to help this guy learn to be a pro. As it stands I don't see who there is on the Bills staff or roster that can help this guy learn the job quicker.

 

So I think we need to be mindful of that. The fact that Beane put us in this particular position. I'm not going to call for his head or anything just yet but I think we need to be aware of it. If it goes wrong... That's a pretty big blunder imo.

 

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

I've been saying this LONG before the season started, and how it'll be (and was in reality) a huge mistake. People kept trying to dismiss it on these boards saying it wasn't important, or mocked veterans like Josh McCown trying to laugh it off. Meanwhile, all throughout the draft & afterwards in interviews, players & coaches would say the exact opposite.

But what do players and coaches know? The fans on the board clearly think a veteran mentor/leader/guide/person to sit behind while they learn the ropes doesn't matter...just like they made themselves believe that Allen was pro-ready & would excel as a rookie at the NFL level day-1, even though we all knew prior to the draft that Allen was the most raw & risky QB of the "big 4." We knew he was a project, we knew he'd benefit from sitting behind a veteran who could help him get up to speed, we knew his stock was so high based on size & arm strength rather than on-field production, ability to read a defense, or monster stats. Yet because the Bills took him #7 overall, everything we knew to be true got thrown out the window & replaced with excitement & hype, along with the unfair & unrealistic expectations that do Allen a disservice.

Now we're going down an all too familiar route, and we're seeing the same bad management & poor decision cliches beat for beat. Soon, we'll see the outcries for firing the OC, which will set Allen back even further. And if it keeps going this way, expect to see the coach feel extra pressure to save his job due to finishing with such a lousy record, leading to him finding that veteran QB a year too late, and putting him in a "QB competition" withe Allen through training camp. Then we'll have another Kelly Holcomb/JP Losman situation, where you're swapping back & forth between the 2, leading to the loss of confidence the QB & his teammates for him. 

All of this was so easy to avoid, and you could see the issues from miles away. I only hope McBeane recognize they're heading down the wrong path, and to avoid the typical course corrections so many others tried that lead to even more failure.

Edited September 21, 2018 by BigDingus

[Jerome007]

Would Palmer be interested in a two week stint? I mean NFL team can hire outside "advisers" too.

[GrizzReaper]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

Would Palmer be interested in a two week stint? I mean NFL team can hire outside "advisers" too.

Idk... Would be great to have Palmer help him along. He worked with him prior to the draft.

[kota]

Please most young QB's dont' have a mentor.  Do you really want Brian Hoyer showing Josh how to play?  Give me a break this is so overblown it's dumb.  He doens't get rattled he takes the hits. 

 

Josh will be fine.  

Hire Peyton Manning to hang for a few weeks.  

[JMF2006]

He could probably get Teyrod cheap now....he did a good job mentoring Mayfield

25 minutes ago, kota said:

Please most young QB's dont' have a mentor.  Do you really want Brian Hoyer showing Josh how to play?  Give me a break this is so overblown it's dumb.  He doens't get rattled he takes the hits. 

 

Josh will be fine.  

Hire Peyton Manning to hang for a few weeks.  

 

Poor kid would be ready to play on the line in a few weeks....... with all the Chicken Parm and Papa Johns

[Bing Bong]

On 9/17/2018 at 1:11 PM, hondo in seattle said:

and it didn't work out? 

aaaand that's why it's a blunder. Regardless I don't care about Allen having a mentor I care about not having a guy to beat Peterman and avoid any possible Peterman starts. I just want a backup.

On 9/19/2018 at 11:14 AM, baskingridgebillsfan said:

Failed to provide him with a lot of things 

Beane has a decent defense. Loses, trades his entire offense. Goes all defense in FA and draft. Why do we have to be so darn lopsoded.?

[WideRightRevenge]

Given our love for Ex Carolina Panthers .. I am a little shocked that Derek Anderson is not on roster to somewhat fill this role

[Scott7975]

I don’t think he really needs a mentor if he has good coaches. What he needs is better protection, a running game, and some damn legit receivers. 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

I don’t think he really needs a mentor if he has good coaches. What he needs is better protection, a running game, and some damn legit receivers. 

 

I'm not sure I agree 100% but this is a valid point.  

[HappyDays]

Darnold's mentor is Josh McCown.

 

Mayfield's mentor is Tyrod Taylor.

 

I rest my case.

[Dablitzkrieg]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Darnold's mentor is Josh McCown.

 

Mayfield's mentor is Tyrod Taylor.

 

I rest my case.

and Allen's mentor is Peterman?  We're !@#$ed

[Rigotz]

Mayfield's mentor (Tyrod) went 4/14 for 19 yards last night. We got a third round pick for him.

Darnold's mentor is sitting on the bench while Darnold struggled badly. We got a fifth round pick for a guy that's just as bad.

 

Future draft picks > garbage "mentor"

[BillsMafia13]

9 hours ago, kota said:

Please most young QB's dont' have a mentor.  Do you really want Brian Hoyer showing Josh how to play?  Give me a break this is so overblown it's dumb.  He doens't get rattled he takes the hits. 

 

Josh will be fine.  

Hire Peyton Manning to hang for a few weeks.  

Nobody is saying its a necessity, or the rookies have to imitate the vet, why cant people get over that.  But having a veterans knowledge on the sidelines and the film room would be huge.  Anyone who thinks no vet presence is better than none, please let me know

[GrizzReaper]

We'll look at Baker Mayfield... He definitely benefitted from having Taylor in that QB room!

 

Haha I'm JK put down the flamethrowers and molotovs

[ganesh]

On 9/17/2018 at 11:28 PM, GrizzReaper said:

I read an article uhhh let me put the link https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/17/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-brandon-beane/

 

Ok so I think us Bills fans really need to pay attention to how this plays out. This article makes a valid point imo. Beane may have severely handicapped Josh Allen this season by not having some sort of vet on the roster to help mentor and guide him.

 

I mentioned in the gameday thread that I thought Allen did ok but he needs work and reps diagnosing defenses, where pressure is coming, setting up his protection. So I'm wondering how important having a wily vet in the QB room may be to his ability to learn that stuff...

 

Who is in the room helping him watch film? I feel like Beane needs to pull some sort of veteran into the building to help this guy learn to be a pro. As it stands I don't see who there is on the Bills staff or roster that can help this guy learn the job quicker.

 

So I think we need to be mindful of that. The fact that Beane put us in this particular position. I'm not going to call for his head or anything just yet but I think we need to be aware of it. If it goes wrong... That's a pretty big blunder imo.

Doesn't he have a QB Coach ?

[iinii]

Yep 

[SoCal Deek]

Last night’s game proved this is all nonsense. Tyrod didn’t mentor Mayfield! Heck, TT never even talks to anyone on the sideline. What you saw was a kid who’s not afraid to THROW THE BALL at the open receiver. It really isn’t rocket science!

[GrizzReaper]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

Doesn't he have a QB Coach ?

Yeah but hes been a WRs coach for most his career. I think his bio on the bills website said he coached QBs from 85-87 at Southwestern Louisiana and that's it as far as that goes...

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Last night’s game proved this is all nonsense. Tyrod didn’t mentor Mayfield! Heck, TT never even talks to anyone on the sideline. What you saw was a kid who’s not afraid to THROW THE BALL at the open receiver. It really isn’t rocket science!

 

Well it's classic Tyrod right? Dumps and  super safe conservative gnash your teeth and pull your hair out QB play. 

 

If Allen can learn to get through his progressions faster and set up his protection he's going to be good. I still think having someone more competent than Peterman and whatever that WRs coachs name is watching film with him would help him get there faster... He can still do it on his own no doubt but I still believe someone with better QB eyes would speed up "the process" some...

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Nobody is saying its a necessity, or the rookies have to imitate the vet, why cant people get over that.  But having a veterans knowledge on the sidelines and the film room would be huge.  Anyone who thinks no vet presence is better than none, please let me know

 

McCown's presence has been so valuable to Darnold that he's regressed in every game. I would trade any backup QB for any pick at all unless I had a team ready to compete for the Super Bowl.

Edited September 21, 2018 by HappyDays

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

McCown's presence has been so valuable to Darnold that he's regressed in every game. I would trade any backup QB for any pick at all unless I have a team ready go compete for the Super Bowl.

 

Does this even make sense with the expectation that a 21 year old rookie QB will have ups and downs early in his career?  Having a veteran mentor on-hand for support during the struggles should only be seen as a benefit.

[Dr.Sack]

Troy Aikman had no one pitching in front of him in 1989. If the kid is tough he will stick around and weather the adversity and learn. It’s sink or swim for Josh Allen. 

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Does this even make sense with the expectation that a 21 year old rookie QB will have ups and downs early in his career?  Having a veteran mentor on-hand for support during the struggles should only be seen as a benefit.

 

That's what coaches are for. I don't believe any backup QB is more valuable in the QB room than they are in draft picks. Getting a 3rd for Tyrod and a 5th for McCarron was highway robbery.

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's what coaches are for. I don't believe any backup QB is more valuable in the QB room than they are in draft picks. Getting a 3rd for Tyrod and a 5th for McCarron was highway robbery.

 

I would rather have those draft picks any day. If Allen fails, it won’t be because he didn’t have a vet mentor.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

That's what coaches are for. I don't believe any backup QB is more valuable in the QB room than they are in draft picks. Getting a 3rd for Tyrod and a 5th for McCarron was highway robbery.

 

Coaches cannot relate in the same way that a veteran player can who has been through the fire earlier in their career.  This doesn't just apply to the QB position. 

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Coaches cannot relate in the same way that a veteran player can who has been through the fire earlier in their career.  This doesn't just apply to the QB position. 

 

I would bet serious money that there is zero correlation between a QB's success and who their "veteran mentor" is.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would bet serious money that there is zero correlation between a QB's success and who their "veteran mentor" is.

 

That's not what younger players say.

[BillsFan17]

 

 

 

Anyone else remember this? 

 

There is no correlation between success of a QB and having a veteran behind them. This is the NFL not the scouts. I'm sure to a degree it helps, but there are 52 other MEN on the team that can help bring a rookie QB along.

 

[Nihilarian]

58 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Troy Aikman had no one pitching in front of him in 1989. If the kid is tough he will stick around and weather the adversity and learn. It’s sink or swim for Josh Allen. 

Probably didn't help as he threw 9 TDs, 18 INTs with a completion percentage of 52.9% and went 0-11 in 1989. The team also took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft who was later traded to NO the next year. Walsh started four games and actually won a game going 1-4. The next season in 1990 the Cowboys did sign a vet QB in Babe Laufenberg. 

 

 

On another note, Maroon/Whaley had his first round pick rookie QB EJ Manuel with basically a rookie QB in Thad Lewis and rookie undrafted FA QB Jeff Tuel  all on the roster in 2013 with no veteran QB. No experienced NFL OC and no QB coach at all. How did that work out for them?

 

Not to mention that year the offensive line was pretty bad in being ranked #22 and this was with Cordy Glenn at LT, Eric Wood at center. Allen wishes he had Wood at center. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by Nihilarian

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

Probably why he threw 9 TDs, 18 INTs with a completion percentage of 52.9% and went 0-11 in 1989. The team also took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft who was later traded to NO the next year. Walsh started four games and actually won a game going 1-4. The next season in 1990 the Cowboys did sign a vet QB in Babe Laufenberg. 

 

 

On another note, Marron/Whaley had his first round pick rookie QB EJ Manuel with basically a rookie QB in Thad Lewis and rookie undrafted FA QB Jeff Tuel  all on the roster in 2013 with no veteran QB. No experienced NFL OC and no QB coach at all. How did that work out for them? Not to mention that year the offensive line was pretty bad in being ranked #22 and this was with Cordy Glenn at LT, Eric Wood at center. 

 

They had Kevin Kolb as the veteran ahead of him until the unfortunate rubber mat and concussion incidents. 

[GrizzReaper]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would bet serious money that there is zero correlation between a QB's success and who their "veteran mentor" is.

 

So you honestly believe if you were a rookie QB you wouldn't benefit in any positive way by having a guy who has been a rookie, held a clipboard, played a few years as a starting QB, or made a trip to the playoffs?

 

That's just idk... I know I've been a noobie at things and I had people with experience around me and it was very beneficial to me bettering myself just being able to ask them basic questions about it. When I was a snot nosed recruit in the Army I learned a ton from the senior people. As an air traffic controller I gained a ton of help asking about scenarios and how to handle them from people that had years of experience under their belt and I know for a fact it helped me tremendously just being able to bounce those questions and stuff off them. I could sit around and read the .65 and all the Aviation publications I wanted and it still wasn't equal to what I learned being able to pick the vets brains. That's just me but I think it's still valid in regards to football in a way...

Edited September 21, 2018 by GrizzReaper