snafu Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I know this may not be a well received idea, but sometimes creative solutions are necessary. I believe our offensive line is more well suited for running plays, not pass protection. Allen has a cannon for an arm, so now that he's going to be the starting QB, it may make sense to put the long snapper in for 3d down passing plays. Allen can line up 15 yards behind the line and take the snap, giving him much more time to read the play and make the throw downfield. Groy can be kept in as a fullback to play near the line behind Ferguson. Unconventional, yes, but I'm convinced that it would work. 3 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 there's been worse ideas. though 7-10 yards should be plenty to give him 3 seconds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Throw the ball 20 yards for a 5 yard gain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, snafu said: I know this may not be a well received idea, but sometimes creative solutions are necessary. I believe our offensive line is more well suited for running plays, not pass protection. Allen has a cannon for an arm, so now that he's going to be the starting QB, it may make sense to put the long snapper in for 3d down passing plays. Allen can line up 15 yards behind the line and take the snap, giving him much more time to read the play and make the throw downfield. Groy can be kept in as a fullback to play near the line behind Ferguson. Unconventional, yes, but I'm convinced that it would work. The defense would adjust to the long snapper coming in very easily. Have a couple DB's slant in on both edges. A DL comes out and is replaced by a LB for coverage. I have my fingers crossed that either a TE or WR is ready to emerge for us to pry the defense loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: The defense would adjust to the long snapper coming in very easily. Have a couple DB's slant in on both edges. A DL comes out and is replaced by a LB for coverage. I have my fingers crossed that either a TE or WR is ready to emerge for us to pry the defense loose. If the DBs slant in, then a receiving RB or a TE would fill in behind them for a pass. LB can't cover Shady out of the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just Punt on First down and hope for defensive TO or Points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 oh ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 52 minutes ago, snafu said: I know this may not be a well received idea, but sometimes creative solutions are necessary. I believe our offensive line is more well suited for running plays, not pass protection. Allen has a cannon for an arm, so now that he's going to be the starting QB, it may make sense to put the long snapper in for 3d down passing plays. Allen can line up 15 yards behind the line and take the snap, giving him much more time to read the play and make the throw downfield. Groy can be kept in as a fullback to play near the line behind Ferguson. Unconventional, yes, but I'm convinced that it would work. Do you watch much football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, snafu said: I know this may not be a well received idea, but sometimes creative solutions are necessary. I believe our offensive line is more well suited for running plays, not pass protection. Allen has a cannon for an arm, so now that he's going to be the starting QB, it may make sense to put the long snapper in for 3d down passing plays. Allen can line up 15 yards behind the line and take the snap, giving him much more time to read the play and make the throw downfield. Groy can be kept in as a fullback to play near the line behind Ferguson. Unconventional, yes, but I'm convinced that it would work. You do know that the defense will line up over him and blow right through him, knocking him on his ass, right? Just because you put a long snapper in for a regular offensive down doesn't mean he gets the same special teams rule protections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 This website is gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 This puts the long-snapper at a disadvantage (as noted above) and puts him at risk of injury. On punts and FGs, the long-snapper is protected by a rule that says DTs can't line up over the nose of the ball; no such protection exists for non-kicking plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, snafu said: If the DBs slant in, then a receiving RB or a TE would fill in behind them for a pass. LB can't cover Shady out of the backfield. The defense no doubt will make it a match of us having to put in 2 or 3 non linemen to block defensive players which I doubt we can do. If we start putting additional linemen at the LOS that pretty well tips our hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 hour ago, snafu said: I know this may not be a well received idea, but sometimes creative solutions are necessary. I believe our offensive line is more well suited for running plays, not pass protection. Allen has a cannon for an arm, so now that he's going to be the starting QB, it may make sense to put the long snapper in for 3d down passing plays. Allen can line up 15 yards behind the line and take the snap, giving him much more time to read the play and make the throw downfield. Groy can be kept in as a fullback to play near the line behind Ferguson. Unconventional, yes, but I'm convinced that it would work. This is so hilarious that it’s brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, WhoTom said: This puts the long-snapper at a disadvantage (as noted above) and puts him at risk of injury. On punts and FGs, the long-snapper is protected by a rule that says DTs can't line up over the nose of the ball; no such protection exists for non-kicking plays. What actually triggers this rule going into effect? It seems it would have to be based on the offensive formation. Since fake punts and fake field goals are legal plays and there’s no rule against attempting a field goal or punting on first through third down, in theory why couldn’t you line up in field goal or punt formation every down to gain this protection for your long snapper? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Just Punt on First down and hope for defensive TO or Points ? 22 minutes ago, joesixpack said: 'Shotgun formation', or you want to take a shotgun to the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: ? 'Shotgun formation', or you want to take a shotgun to the OP? Never saw that movie, i take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Never saw that movie, i take it Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Nope. 1) Google "robert downey jr. tropic thunder. 2) Enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 There’s a snafu in your logic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Love the creativity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, snafu said: I know this may not be a well received idea, but sometimes creative solutions are necessary. I believe our offensive line is more well suited for running plays, not pass protection. Allen has a cannon for an arm, so now that he's going to be the starting QB, it may make sense to put the long snapper in for 3d down passing plays. Allen can line up 15 yards behind the line and take the snap, giving him much more time to read the play and make the throw downfield. Groy can be kept in as a fullback to play near the line behind Ferguson. Unconventional, yes, but I'm convinced that it would work. When Groy gets flagged for holding on first down, allows the sack on second down, Allen will now have to complete the 45-yard pass instead of what's asked for on 3rd and 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: You do know that the defense will line up over him and blow right through him, knocking him on his ass, right? Just because you put a long snapper in for a regular offensive down doesn't mean he gets the same special teams rule protections. Yes, I know that. It is why you keep Groy in as a fullback. The fullback and RB would line up in their customary positions. 5 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: When Groy gets flagged for holding on first down, allows the sack on second down, Allen will now have to complete the 45-yard pass instead of what's asked for on 3rd and 30. Allen has a cannon. 1 hour ago, nucci said: Do you watch much football? Of course I do. Do you? Are you afraid of change? What's going right with the line now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 This idea is !@#$ing genius! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 It doesn't matter how good Allen's arm is. No matter what, it is easier to throw the ball 10-15 yards for a first down than 25-30. Essentially, you are asking Allen to convert a 3rd and 25 instead of a 3rd and 10. How often are those converted in games? Almost never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 11 hours ago, BillsRdue said: there's been worse ideas. though 7-10 yards should be plenty to give him 3 seconds. ..NONE better than the Shaud Williams draw................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 That is crazy! So crazy, it just might work..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 14 hours ago, BillsRdue said: there's been worse ideas. Such as starting the towel boy at QB, like they tried in week 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 14 hours ago, H2o said: Throw the ball 20 yards for a 5 yard gain. And the time the ball is in the air for the 20 yds = time in the air for 5 yards if Peterman threw it. Sounds like a plan.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, MJS said: It doesn't matter how good Allen's arm is. No matter what, it is easier to throw the ball 10-15 yards for a first down than 25-30. Essentially, you are asking Allen to convert a 3rd and 25 instead of a 3rd and 10. How often are those converted in games? Almost never. A receiver only needs to go 10 yards downfield on a 3d and 10. Yes, Allen would need to throw the ball farther than normal, but by the time the snap gets to him, his receivers would already be nearly 10 yards upfield. It is nothing like asking Allen to convert a 3d and 25. #bringinfergy Edited September 16, 2018 by snafu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sweats Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Reid Ferguson?.........we might as well bring in Turd Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, snafu said: A receiver only needs to go 10 yards downfield on a 3d and 10. Yes, Allen would need to throw the ball farther than normal, but by the time the snap gets to him, his receivers would already be nearly 10 yards upfield. It is nothing like asking Allen to convert a 3d and 25. #bringinfergy You're wrong. That's exactly what it is like. The ball is in the air for more than double the normal time, giving defenders more than double the time to react to it and make a play on it. Also, just like a long 3rd down, defenders would know that they do not need to defend the run. They can drop into coverage and wait for the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 We have the pistol formation and the shotgun formation. This would be the missile formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, MJS said: You're wrong. That's exactly what it is like. The ball is in the air for more than double the normal time, giving defenders more than double the time to react to it and make a play on it. Also, just like a long 3rd down, defenders would know that they do not need to defend the run. They can drop into coverage and wait for the ball. Theres a big difference in time between waiting for a receiver to run 25 yards vs. running 10 yards. Moreso than throwing a ball that same extra 15 yards (especially with a strong armed QB like Allen). Receivers running the extra 15 yards requires the QB to wait in the pocket closer to the line of scrimmage for a longer period of time, and with a bad pass protecting line, that's doom. There is a huge difference between what I'm proposing and a 3d and 25 play. As as to your second point, the thread title says "obvious passing downs". Defenders never feel the need to defend the run in obvious passing downs. That's why defenses bring in extra defensive backs and pass rushing specialists. If defenses can adjust for obvious passing situations, then why can't an offense? Thanks for helping me explore the merits of this idea. Edited September 16, 2018 by snafu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Unlike kicks where they cannot line up over the center . They would put a 330 lb . Nose tackle right over the undersized long snapper and beat the hell out of him . He wouldn’t last a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Greatdane21 said: Unlike kicks where they cannot line up over the center . They would put a 330 lb . Nose tackle right over the undersized long snapper and beat the hell out of him . He wouldn’t last a half. My idea has Groy waiting just behind the line for the nose tackle. All Ferguson needs to do is snap the ball and get down. I wouldn't expect that they would bring him in on every 3d down. I'm thinking maybe 4 or 5 plays per game. Also, earlier in the thread, it was mentioned that the rule prohibiting the scenario you bring up (for punts and field goal plays) might remain in effect even in my proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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