Calling Shananigans On the JA hate

[Strethor]

I don't think anyone is saying "He sucks" 

 

just that he's clearly not as ready as we would like 

 

[The Wiz]

23 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

I don't think this is the word you were looking for

[Trogdor]

43 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I'm not going to hate on Josh Allen. I'm not going to make excuses for him either. People over hyped themselves and this game was a reality check. Giving a bunch of excuses isn't the answer.

 

One QB has started in preseason and looked good. Just one. 

There is a very big 'he can do no wrong' crowd on here. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, GoodHands15 said:

Ok enough is enough. No one is giving JA any credit for getting the $?!@ kicked out of him and getting back up—AND signaling Daboll to put him under center as opposed to the gun.

 

I needed to see Josh Allen get pummeled and not turn the ball over. He DID that. YOU SAW NERVES. I definitely believe there was a little of that. He never set for that ball to Clay, which was a rookie move, he just slung it... and over compensated on the next shot. 

 

Outside of of those two plays. He had drops, a bad no challenge, and an absolute joke of an oline. But the one thing I 100% saw was that the pressure did not make his scared to stand in the pocket which is huge. No throwing off the back foot, no bailing out immediately. You could almost see him forcing himself to stand in there...almost like he was making a point to trust it.

 

I don’t think at any point did he look like garbage. He did all that he could while being asked to wait on intermediate routes.

 

Show the kid a little love for having a pair!

 

Thats what I saw too. O line is horrid. 

21 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

My short version is this: JA was pretty bad today and looked like a rookie who will need time but with that Line he has no chance to catch up to the speed of the NFL. Give him a chance when the line has improved. Also I truly think that NP will give us more wins THIS year.

 

Nope- peterman would’ve thrown 3 picks. 

[GoodHands15]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Nope- peterman would’ve thrown 3 picks. 

 

And probably two fumbles tbh. Thank God for Elite NFL hand size of JA.

 

Your post also made me think. Who do we want at QB in the red zone. Inside the 20.

 

Let’s Pretend the bills get an interception, and after two quick “gimme” throws each WB can make by design, we find ourself inside the opposing 20. This is where the buffal bills have been lacking for most the history I can remember. In this crucial part on the field, you cannot settle for FG’s. 

 

Call me crazy but at least in my head, you take JA over others 10/10 times. Tight window high octane throws are needed here.

 

[Lfod]

2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

There is a very big 'he can do no wrong' crowd on here. 

I wanted Josh Allen to pass the test with flying colors. I'm dissapointed that didn't happen today. There will be over reaction because he had a bad game just like the over reaction to the potential he showed earning a preseason start. I still think the potential exist and will flourish in time. 

 

To me this game was a measure of Josh Allen's ability to start the first game this season. Im not looking at this game to define his entire career.

 

Peterman threw 5 picks in his first start and I could still see potential and believe in a possibility of progress. People jumping on sides should learn to sit on the fence sometimes. 

 

 

[Stenbar]

2 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

He was -5 yards passing. It's not blame, it's not hate, it's not saying he's a bust, it's saying he probably needs a little more time. With an offensive line is horrible as this you got to get rid of the ball faster. Is what it is. Deal with it.

Five of the sacks were within 2 seconds. Hard to get rid of a pass quicker than that, hell you cant even throw it away during that time. Two of the sacks were his fault of holding the ball too long. He did not get picked off in the blitzkrieg and he showed pretty good composure for his very first NFL action against number ones.  With all that said I am looking forward to seeing him in the future and will be watching the next half of season hoping he learns how to lead a this team while watching Peterman and Mcarron take the beatings of their life behind this atrocity called an O-Line.

[Don Beebe]

1 hour ago, bills11 said:

Anyone who blames Allen for todays debacle doesnt know football..The offensive line was atrocious...the wrs had trouble separating. Could he have gotten rid of the ball a hair sooner sure..but just contrast the time he had to dalton or barkley..on the td pass to aj green dalton has over 3 seconds to throw..on the one play in the first half allen barely finishes his drop before ducasses is pushed right back into his lap.

Horrible offensive line play, they got McCarron hurt last week and almost got Allen hurt this week. Don't worry about which quarterback starts, worry about the offensive line. Those guys would get manhandled by a Pop Warner team. The coach should have went up in the crowd and found some fat guys and put them in uniform.

[Lfod]

Oh please stop saying AJMcarrons name like he has any possibility of starting lol. That's funny people. He looked worse in his start than Josh Allen did.

Edited August 27, 2018 by Lfod

[GoodHands15]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I don't think Josh Allen deserves any credit for anything today. He also doesn't deserve criticism.

 

Not much to go off of considering how bad the line was. He got his ass kicked. We are supposed to give him credit for getting tossed around by the Bengals defensive line and getting back up and standing in the pocket to take a hit? That's part of playing the position.

 

I saw JP Losman do the same thing. Who cares?

 

We could’ve seen an INT, FUM filled meltdown. This we just made it out thankful he was alive. But in a game where nothing can be credited/criticized...nothing has been done to say NP should start if he’s still the 2nd best option at the position.

[Lfod]

5 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

We could’ve seen an INT, FUM filled meltdown. This we just made it out thankful he was alive. But in a game where nothing can be credited/criticized...nothing has been done to say NP should start if he’s still the 2nd best option at the position.

I could of seen Allen go out and throw 9/10 and a TD, you know like Nate Peterman did in his first game. Also did it with the 3's that everyone cried got Josh Killed. Pass the Dutch man that's fire.

Edited August 27, 2018 by Lfod

[Green Lightning]

8 minutes ago, Stenbar said:

Five of the sacks were within 2 seconds. Hard to get rid of a pass quicker than that, hell you cant even throw it away during that time. Two of the sacks were his fault of holding the ball too long. He did not get picked off in the blitzkrieg and he showed pretty good composure for his very first NFL action against number ones.  With all that said I am looking forward to seeing him in the future and will be watching the next half of season hoping he learns how to lead a this team while watching Peterman and Mcarron take the beatings of their life behind this atrocity called an O-Line.

Hey I'm sorry Josh didn't play well. No reason to look forward to the other two quarterbacks take beatings.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

We all wanted Josh to do well and we were dissappointed.  

 

Trust the process 

[Virgil]

Well, we had the Church of Tyrod.  

 

What should this cult be called?

 

I nominate the Allen Congregation 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

The thing I saw in these preseason games was that Nate was the only one to score with the 1s 2s and 3s and look relatively competent with each group.  

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[GoodHands15]

11 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I could of seen Allen go out and throw 9/10 and a TD, you know like Nate Peterman did in his first game. Also did it with the 3's that everyone cried got Josh Killed. Pass the Dutch man that's fire.

 

Daboll has an offense he runs with NP—no matter what string—it’s the same offense he’s run with the twos the last two weeks—same one he ran week 1 with the 1s.

 

Nowhere near the intermediate and deep concepts he tried to hit with Mccaron week 2 and Josh this week. (Also did it week 1 with JA).

 

Its a valid arguement based off last week, Josh Allen can be extremely quick, decisive, and effective running the same quick concepts Daboll is FORCED to deploy with Nate.

Edited August 27, 2018 by GoodHands15

[Ol Dirty B]

22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I don't think Josh Allen deserves any credit for anything today. He also doesn't deserve criticism.

 

Not much to go off of considering how bad the line was. He got his ass kicked. We are supposed to give him credit for getting tossed around by the Bengals defensive line and getting back up and standing in the pocket to take a hit? That's part of playing the position.

 

I saw JP Losman do the same thing. Who cares?

 

Spot on. I have no idea what the OP is saying he says this is exactly what he needed to see from Allen. 

[GoodHands15]

10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

The thing I saw in these preseason games was that Nate was the only one to score with the 1s 2s and 3s and look relatively competent with each group.  

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I’m not saying that Nate has not made great strides. But competent gets field goals. I want red zone touchdowns gosh darn it!!

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Spot on. I have no idea what the OP is saying he says this is exactly what he needed to see from Allen. 

 

I wanted to see him get &@$@ed up and not turn the ball over or find himself immediately evacuating the pocket and not trusting his line.

Edited August 27, 2018 by GoodHands15

[nedboy7]

Yeah every other post is about how Allen sucks!!!

Get a grip. 

Bash TT a little that will calm you guys down. 

[Ol Dirty B]

16 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

 

I wanted to see him get &@$@ed up and not turn the ball over or find himself immediately evacuating the pocket and not trusting his line.

 

I'm so lost on this. I don't have any clue where to find the logic in this. You wanted to see him get !@#$ed up? I'm just gonna agree to disagree with you. I don't see value in a top 10 selected QB getting sacked on 5 of 17 drop backs. No thanks.

[Lfod]

26 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

Daboll has an offense he runs with NP—no matter what string—it’s the same offense he’s run with the twos the last two weeks—same one he ran week 1 with the 1s.

 

Nowhere near the intermediate and deep concepts he tried to hit with Mccaron week 2 and Josh this week. (Also did it week 1 with JA).

 

Its a valid arguement based off last week, Josh Allen can be extremely quick, decisive, and effective running the same quick concepts Daboll is FORCED to deploy with Nate.

I had a chance just now to watch Josh Allen's highlights. I was at work during the game. It didn't look as bad to me as the impression I got just reading opinions. I actually think he handled the pressure well. Yes a few times he was going to eat a sack regardless. A few times he earned the sack holding the ball to long. A few times he moves around in the pocket and makes a pass attempt. Two of them should of been a completion. One pass was under thrown crazy right? The other would of been an interception. 

 

He actually connected on some of the dink and dunk game. I'm not discouraged as others after a short view. 

 

That being said my vote goes to Peterman. I don't care the reason Peterman looked better. I don't think it's a conspiracy to game plan better for Peterman. Peterman has a better showing in preseason and that is fact. 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by Lfod

[Fadingpain]

3 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

You can't teach hate...it's that same fans that hated the pick when it happened.Blind is blind....

 But you and the OP are hating on fans! 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm so lost on this. I don't have any clue where to find the logic in this. You wanted to see him get !@#$ed up? I'm just gonna agree to disagree with you. I don't see value in a top 10 selected QB getting sacked on 5 of 17 drop backs. No thanks.

 

FWIW, I'm lost too

[Misterbluesky]

2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

 But you and the OP are hating on fans! 

 

Show me a post where I bashed the selection and or his play....you find one and I will build you a watch.

[COTC]

Let’s face it, with this o line, we are not winning anything. Let the kid sit and learn from a couple of scrubs and start him next year.  

 

He will get shell shocked, let’s not ruin him. 

[Scott7975]

People that are saying Peterman did a better job this preseason are correct.  Just remember that its preseason.  Nate's noodle arm is going to play out like Fitzpatrick did.  Defenses will scheme and take the short stuff away.  When Nate cant throw it over the top he will again start throwing picks all game.  Just my opinion.  Maybe he shocks me.  I hope someone does because this line is hot garbage.

[Stenbar]

1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

Hey I'm sorry Josh didn't play well. No reason to look forward to the other two quarterbacks take beatings.

Never said I was looking forward to watching the qbs take a beating. Read the words I wrote not what you wish I wrote. I said I was looking forward to watching Allen in the future.

[GoodHands15]

50 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm so lost on this. I don't have any clue where to find the logic in this. You wanted to see him get !@#$ed up? I'm just gonna agree to disagree with you. I don't see value in a top 10 selected QB getting sacked on 5 of 17 drop backs. No thanks.

 

I’m not happy about it. But we would be having a much worse night if he had 2 fumbles and a pick. We were eventually going to have to see a game like this. Slaughter. He handled himself well I feel.

[Boatdrinks]

Now there’s Josh Allen “ hate”. ? Wtf ... this is football . We’re all Bills fans. 

[Ol Dirty B]

7 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

I’m not happy about it. But we would be having a much worse night if he had 2 fumbles and a pick. We were eventually going to have to see a game like this. Slaughter. He handled himself well I feel.

 

I appreciate your point in that he didn't turn it over and held it together. It's just not something I'd ever say I needed to see. He was pulled off the field for concussion protocol. I don't need that out of my top 10 pick qb in his 3rd preseason game.

 

It doesn't mean much, but if these coaches don't lose their **** on them after this game. They can clean house. You got McCarron killed last week, Allen, the future killed this week. They are getting guys hurt, from both a football and teammate perspective, that's unacceptable. And it's unacceptable that this team thinks these guys will work. They're going to be atrocious. 

Edited August 27, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Pre-snap needs to be a little quicker but that was an abomination from his OL and skill guys. They sabatoged him. 

 

Let Peterman play and take those lumps.

[Xwnyer]

10 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

People are blaming Allen?

 

These people need new eyes.

Typical Bills fans will hate a guy who could be the franchise QB.  Yes he is raw but his pose looks solid.   He does have to get awareness of pocket collapsing which usually happened in 0.25 seconds and find a way to get rid of the ball versus the sack.   He was slammed to,ground early and it should have been a roughing penalty but he got up and wet back at it.   The play calling never had guys in motion and the Benglas DL is one of the best in the league

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 hours ago, Steptide said:

No doubt his o line was puke, but HE DID hesitate and hold the ball too long as bad as Tyrod in a playoff game. He's young and new to this league. I'm sure he was fairly nervous. I think he will start at some point this season. But looking at things through un biased eyes, Peterman is just the better qb right now. 

 

Maybe... he won’t be playing twos, he won’t be offering that deep out pick 6 to opponents 6th best corner (almost in Cleveland AND Cinci) 

 

A blitz with disguised zone coverage and he is going to shatter his INT PR. 

 

I dont see any nfl ready starter here. 

[The_Dude]

I didn’t watch. I have no idea what happened other than it was ugly as hell. 

 

I want Josh Allen to succeed. 

 

If our line sucks, I don’t want Josh Allen to play until next year when we can get it fixed. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 hours ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

I agree with this 100%. I’m not saying that Nate has not made great strides. But competent gets field goals. I want red zone touchdowns gosh darn it!!

 

I wanted to see him get &@$@ed up and not turn the ball over or find himself immediately evacuating the pocket and not trusting his line.

As do we all.  

 

[billsredneck1]

7 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Now there’s Josh Allen “ hate”. ? Wtf ... this is football . We’re all Bills fans. 

if you can find a fan hating on allen please post it cause i'm not seeing any hate. he's the future and no one wants to see him ruined.  if there's hate for anyone on this board,  it's the other guy....who has, beyond the shadow of a doubt, won the right to start week one.

Edited August 27, 2018 by billsredneck1

[The Process]

Peterman looked like he had the quick release....but so many factors to consider. Playing against 2s.....different play calling....yadayada.....we just have to wait and see....relax. Josh looked fine.

[teef]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It was like a freakin' jailbreak.  I swear I saw a Cincy DLman hurdling one of our guys at one point.

 

 

i think they were talking about this play on sirius this morning.  it was vlad who got absolutely tossed into allen by geno atkins.

[greeneblitz]

8 hours ago, COTC said:

Let’s face it, with this o line, we are not winning anything. Let the kid sit and learn from a couple of scrubs and start him next year.  

 

He will get shell shocked, let’s not ruin him. 

There is no such thing as sitting and learning from Nathan fricking Peterman and his 4 quarters of vast experience.

[CountDorkula]

12 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

People are blaming Allen?

 

These people need new eyes.

The OL was bad, but Allen was not great yesterday either. 

 

There were a few times he had a chance to make plays and failed. Held the ball too long on a few occasions. Stared down WR, that according to one of the Bengals CB's.

 

The whole offense had a bad day, its preseason, so i don't put too much stock into it. But to me, it seems Allen is not ready.