Lacanfora: Bills have reached out to Raiders about Khalil Mack trade

[GoodHands15]

14 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

 

YE OLE can also see this deal happening and McDermott stepping to podium very matter of fact like and telling the media “Brandon and his team do a great job. They’re always looking for good players that can come in and improve our team. Just like bringing in John Ryan the other day... he’s a good player. Khalil’s also a good player. We’re excited to have both these guys here to compete...”

 

 

This

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Why would they even want one of the guys we are talking about? Just give them a 1st and a 2nd. The Raiders don’t want a rotational lineman for an elite defender. Gruden will want 2 of his own hand picked players.

Jerry Hughes isn’t a rotational lineman.  He gets to the QB.  He disrupts offenses.  If he was on a 3 year deal paying him 5 mill a year, he’d be a tremendous value.  He may very well be a player that Gruden wants, hence hand picked,  don’t hate on Jerry.  He’s not Mack but he’s very good football player and most definitely not a rotational player.  The length of his deal makes him more of a rented pass rusher, but getting him and a 1st rd pick plus another later rd pick doesn’t seem too crazy to me.  

 

If we trade for him, then we’ll have to pay him 20+ mill a year.  So we’re giving up multiple resources for one player.  Mulltiple picks and almost a 3rd of our salary cap room.  Tough call.  I wouldn’t mind sitting this one out, spending that money on stud OL and a Stud WR, while using the draft picks to get a pass rusher.  All with the possibility that he hits free agency eventually and we can sign him without giving up any picks.  Tough call Mr Beane.  Unless the raiders are willing to take below market value, I don’t think a Beane gets it done.

Edited August 24, 2018 by NewEra

[Heitz]

Also and fwiw

 

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@incarceratedbob

**UPDATED NFL RUMORS** Khalil Mack trade rumors are heating up #Raiders heard from 6 teams L24-48hours (2 offers on table) #Bills #Jets #Packers #Giants #Seahawks #49ers

 

[billspro]

27 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I don't think Hughes and a first does it.  Say they did have interest in Hughes which I think Gruden might, I think you still need to add at least a 3rd in the next two drafts along with Hughes and next years first.  It seems like a 3rd of a league is interested, so that could drive up his value.  All of that said, I am one of those who has full confidence in Beane and think we would have as good a chance as any.

 

Macks contract is going to be crazy. I think that decreases his value a lot. It’s difficult to build a good team when you have to invest a lot in a non QB.

[GETTOTHE50]

Id definitely give them a 1st whenever they want, and a 3rd.

 

But it would probably cost a bit more.

 

Just get it done at this point... Hopefully he sacks brady and ends that !@#$s career (idc the location). That alone would be worth whatever amount of money we paid him. 

 

 

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, billspro said:

 

Macks contract is going to be crazy. I think that decreases his value a lot. It’s difficult to build a good team when you have to invest a lot in a non QB.

It just takes one team though...

[Mark Vader]

2 minutes ago, Heitz said:

Also and fwiw

 

 

Ideally the Raiders would want to trade him to an NFC team, wouldn't they?

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

2 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

Macks contract is going to be crazy. I think that decreases his value a lot. It’s difficult to build a good team when you have to invest a lot in a non QB.

You have 5 years on Allen's rookie contract which means Mack's contract won't be a problem for five years.  We get Mack for his prime and worry about it in 5 years, in which we could become Super Bowl Champs.

[H2o]

If you ask me, it's destiny for Mack to be in Buffalo. Beane isn't afraid to wheel and deal plus we have a sh*t ton of cap room about to open up. Get ready people, Mack is coming home. 

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

Ideally the Raiders would want to trade him to an NFC team, wouldn't they?

How much say could Mack have in a potential trade?  What if he wants Buffalo?

[whatdrought]

A Mack trade would have to be to a team with a young QB who is on a rookie deal that feels they can compete now.

 

Bears, Jets, Bills all make sense.

 

The Packers also make sense because they don’t actually bother with team building. Mack can be their one man do it all opposite Rogers. 

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

If you ask me, it's destiny for Mack to be in Buffalo. Beane isn't afraid to wheel and deal plus we have a sh*t ton of cap room about to open up. Get ready people, Mack is coming home. 

It would be insane.  I'm not getting my hopes up though.

 

It does look like he will be traded though

[billspro]

4 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

It just takes one team though...

 

I would be willing to offer Lawon and a first for Mack and a third. That is as far as I would go, we would most likely lose KB, Clay, and McCoy (after this season) if we took on that contract. There is only so much room in a salary cap.

Edited August 24, 2018 by billspro

[Mark Vader]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

How much say could Mack have in a potential trade?  What if he wants Buffalo?

I wonder if he would have that much say in a potential trade.

[H2o]

Waiting on confirmation of the Bills trading for Mack like.....

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

I would be willing to offer Lawon and a first for Mack and a third. That is as far as I would go, we would most likely lose KB, Clay, and McCoy (after this season) if we took on that contract. There is only so much room in a salary cap.

 

We wouldn't have to lose anybody after the season because of it. We have over $70 million in cap room at this point next year

[Happy]

Lost in all this is the fact that Gruden is about to make the Raiders a worse team, and he hasn't even coached a game in his second stint with them.  I see Chuckie fired in 2-3 years.

[mannc]

28 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Here is the deal.  If Allen ends up being a great QB, with Kalil Mack, a couple of free agent lineman (which we easily will have the money for) and another weapon or two on offense, I think we are legit Super Bowl contenders in 2019.  Kalil Mack is the closest thing the NFL has seen to Lawrence Taylor since he retired and I really wouldn't care if we gave up our next two firsts. 

You are vastly overestimating Mack’s market value.  Raiders will be fortunate to get a first for him.  I suspect Beane is trying to get them to take a second, plus Hughes or Shaq

[BuffaloBaumer]

30 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Here is the deal.  If Allen ends up being a great QB, with Kalil Mack, a couple of free agent lineman (which we easily will have the money for) and another weapon or two on offense, I think we are legit Super Bowl contenders in 2019.  Kalil Mack is the closest thing the NFL has seen to Lawrence Taylor since he retired and I really wouldn't care if we gave up our next two firsts. 

Good God no

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

I wonder if he would have that much say in a potential trade.

Behind closed doors you can say stuff, there have been players who say they refuse to play for teams.  Also there are other clever ways to do things

[Seanbillsfan2206]

This just needs to happen. But it won’t because we just can’t have too many nice things

[JerseyBills]

Just now, mannc said:

You are vastly overestimating Mack’s market value.  Raiders will be fortunate to get a first for him.  I suspect Beane is trying to get them to take a second, plus Hughes or Shaq

People really disrespecting Hughes. He's a beast. Forget the numbers, watch the tape

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

Beane and McDermott have stressed that they want team first guys. High character locker room leaders that absolutely love the game. I can't see where a guy  not reporting and holding out while under contract fits that profile. This is not a comment on whether he should be holding out, what his value is, if he is underpaid, etc., just doesn't seem to be a McBeane kind of guy. 

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

I wonder if he would have that much say in a potential trade.

 

He actually could have a huge say because no team is trading away a 1st rounder for somebody they can’t sign long term.  That said, I’d think he’d be alright signing with any team willing to give him a huge contract. 

[billspro]

7 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

How much say could Mack have in a potential trade?  What if he wants Buffalo?

 

I'm confident he would pick us if he has a choice. 

[Mark Vader]

Just now, Happy Gilmore said:

Lost in all this is the fact that Gruden is about to make the Raiders a worse team, and he hasn't even coached a game in his second stint with them.  I see Chuckie fired in 2-3 years.

Not so sure about that.

 

The Raiders are leaving for Las Vegas soon, and all the glitz and glamour of that will blind Davis to how the team does.

 

I think Gruden will get a good amount of time to succeed.

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Lost in all this is the fact that Gruden is about to make the Raiders a worse team, and he hasn't even coached a game in his second stint with them.  I see Chuckie fired in 2-3 years.

$100,000,000 says you are wrong my friend. You forget they have "dumber" as the ring leader of that circus. Somewhere Al is turning over in his grave right now. 

[ExWNYer]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

So help me out here...do we like La Canfora this week or hate him?

 

(Also...git 'er done, Beane!)

[mannc]

Just now, JerseyBills said:

People really disrespecting Hughes. He's a beast. Forget the numbers, watch the tape

I agree.  Not that much of a drop off from Mack to Hughes.

[GETTOTHE50]

1 minute ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

Beane and McDermott have stressed that they want team first guys. High character locker room leaders that absolutely love the game. I can't see where a guy  not reporting and holding out while under contract fits that profile. This is not a comment on whether he should be holding out, what his value is, if he is underpaid, etc., just doesn't seem to be a McBeane kind of guy. 

 

Mack should have been paid the highest defensive player contract a while ago, or atleast whatever Von Miller is making.

 

[Big C]

1 minute ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

Beane and McDermott have stressed that they want team first guys. High character locker room leaders that absolutely love the game. I can't see where a guy  not reporting and holding out while under contract fits that profile. This is not a comment on whether he should be holding out, what his value is, if he is underpaid, etc., just doesn't seem to be a McBeane kind of guy. 

 

I get the feeling that he would want to play for this team.

[Rico]

What if the Raiders insisted that EJ was part of the trade?

[billspro]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

You are vastly overestimating Mack’s market value.  Raiders will be fortunate to get a first for him.  I suspect Beane is trying to get them to take a second, plus Hughes or Shaq

 

I agree with this. I would not be surprised at all if he gets traded for a second. It will be hard for any team to fit his salary under their cap. 

[Happy]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

$100,000,000 says you are wrong my friend. You forget they have "dumber" as the ring leader of that circus. Somewhere Al is turning over in his grave right now. 

 

Worse team getting rid of Mack, or fired in 2-3 years?

[JerseyBills]

Just now, mannc said:

I agree.  Not that much of a drop off from Mack to Hughes.

Mack is superior obviously but Hughes isn't some rotational DE , he has value , he's a force in pass/run . Would love to have Mack n Hughes 

[Big C]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

I agree.  Not that much of a drop off from Mack to Hughes.

 

But imagine having both. Then you have Murphy and Yarbrough rotating in and Mack can play off the ball.

[Mark Vader]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

$100,000,000 says you are wrong my friend. You forget they have "dumber" as the ring leader of that circus. Somewhere Al is turning over in his grave right now. 

Agreed.

 

Although I think Al would have done the same thing.

 

He didn't want to come back to Oakland. It's all about the money.

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, H2o said:

If you ask me, it's destiny for Mack to be in Buffalo. Beane isn't afraid to wheel and deal plus we have a sh*t ton of cap room about to open up. Get ready people, Mack is coming home. 

 

 

[BrotherChazz]

6 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

Beane and McDermott have stressed that they want team first guys. High character locker room leaders that absolutely love the game. I can't see where a guy  not reporting and holding out while under contract fits that profile. This is not a comment on whether he should be holding out, what his value is, if he is underpaid, etc., just doesn't seem to be a McBeane kind of guy. 

 

And yet...The Bills reached out to them.....

[ColoradoBills]

31 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

It would take more than that for sure. I think the Raiders wouldn't value Hughes as anything more than a throw in. The Raiders I imagine would probably come in asking for a 1st and 3rd in 2019 and a 2nd in 2020. If Mack wasn't demanding such a huge contract I might bite but that's a lot of money and draft capital to give up for one player. Even if you got the deal down to a 1st and 4th in 2019 plus a 2nd in 2020 that's still significant draft capital. 

 

I hear you but it is dependent on what the other teams can afford too.