Bills defenders praise Josh Allen.

[MJS]

4 hours ago, Yeezus said:

sounds good, lets just hope he doesn't get hurt b/c of our GM ignoring the oline. 

 

Our GM brought in multiple guys and drafted guys too.

 

And we have no money! We have a ton of dead money until next year, remember?

[billsintaiwan]

5 hours ago, kota said:

I find this amusing.  alot of people on these boards were like "Josh is a first rounder.  Just play him".   Meanwhile McD put him with the 3rd team.  Now as you see Josh improve he is making everyone around him better.  

 

The players aren't dumb.  They want to win and if they see Josh as the guy to do it that is who they will want.

 

McD understands...

Opposite of how losman was handled

[Prickly Pete]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Nothing wrong with that.

 

What is this Frank Reich comparison based on? That they are both QB's destined to play behind someone else?

 

Frank Reich led what was until recently, the greatest comeback of all time. Given Reich's role in Bills history, it's insulting to even mention Peterman in the same breath, let alone act like he is somehow following in Reich's footsteps.

 

Utter nonsense. Get a grip.

Edited August 19, 2018 by OJ Tom

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Still starting Peterman but oh boy we have ourselves a talent

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

It still makes sense to bring him along slowly. He hasn't faced a game planning DC when games count yet. He's steadily improving. Let him develop.

and how is he to experience that if he doesn't start?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

His footwork is more advanced than I expected 

 

And pocket presence, took some hard sacks in college.

 

 

[Paulus]

6 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

For me it’s less about peterman and more about making sure Allen is put in the best possible position to succeed long term.  

 

I am cautious by nature with rookies and especially so with Allen, who I hope is the franchise QB we have been waiting for since Jim Kelly. 

 

I dont want to do anything that could possibly hurt his development. 

 

If the coaching staff feel he’s ready to play with the 1’s in preseason game 3 and Allen has another showing like last night, then yeah, start him. 

But if there’s any doubt that he’s ready, I’d rather throw peterman in. 

 

Definitely excited about what I’ve seen from Allen, though. 

What if playing him stunts his development/growth but gives the team the best chance to win? 

[folz]

6 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

If the O-line sucks that bad, it's time to make a trade, and bring in a better player or two. Peterman isn't going to fair any better (he blows).

 

The offensive identity is different with Allen, and they need to gear it to Allen NOW, not working on plays that suit Peterman's game.

 

I don't mean to pick on you specifically OJ, but it just bugs me when people say stuff like "he blows." I'm all on board with Allen starting at this point, but Peterman does not blow. First of all, the worst guy on the worst team in the NFL is still an amazing athlete. You don't even sniff a shot at the NFL if you aren't a gifted athlete. Secondly, Peterman (since that San Diego game) has played well. He was playing well in the snow game and he has played well in both games this preseason. The kid has had a legitimate shot at one of only 32 starting QB positions in the NFL. That doesn't blow. He may or may not ever become a legit starter in the NFL, but by no means does he suck.

 

Plus, he's a Buffalo Bill. You could prefer Allen over Peterman without having to trash Peterman. You could point out the reasons why you don't think Peterman should start or won't be a good starting QB in the league, but it's kind of ridiculous to just say he blows. I don't know, I guess I just grew up in a time where we rooted for all of our players. 

 

[Prickly Pete]

40 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Still starting Peterman but oh boy we have ourselves a talent

 

Link?

Just now, folz said:

 

I don't mean to pick on you specifically OJ, but it just bugs me when people say stuff like "he blows." I'm all on board with Allen starting at this point, but Peterman does not blow. First of all, the worst guy on the worst team in the NFL is still an amazing athlete. You don't even sniff a shot at the NFL if you aren't a gifted athlete. Secondly, Peterman (since that San Diego game) has played well. He was playing well in the snow game and he has played well in both games this preseason. The kid has had a legitimate shot at one of only 32 starting QB positions in the NFL. That doesn't blow. He may or may not ever become a legit starter in the NFL, but by no means does he suck.

 

Plus, he's a Buffalo Bill. You could prefer Allen over Peterman without having to trash Peterman. You could point out the reasons why you don't think Peterman should start or won't be a good starting QB in the league, but it's kind of ridiculous to just say he blows. I don't know, I guess I just grew up in a time where we rooted for all of our players. 

 

 

He blows.

 

 

[mrags]

6 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Josh just needs to learn the patience of the game... you can’t force it. 

 

Plus playing smart, learning to slide, learning to get down and take a loss, throwing the ball away etc.

 

 

One of the plays that I noticed was when they blitzed with the corner (I think) and Allen looked like he was about to take a shot and then pulled it in and took the sack. I believe that was him building on that cluster of a play on 4th down last week. He’s learning and it’s incredible how fast he is and how fun it is to watch. 

[Boca BIlls]

7 hours ago, Steptide said:

Love him or hate him, Peterman has played Damm good in these 2 games. I want whoever is the better qb to start. There is a large crowd of people that just want Allen to start no matter what, I'm just in the boat of start whoever gives us the best chance this year. Yes, allen is the better talent, but he's also a rookie and there will be growing pains. Peterman has the advantage of having already faced about the worst adversity a qb could face (5 it's in a half) and has appeared to overcome it and improve. So he may have the upper hand, at least for now. Like I said, just start who gives us the best chance 

Peterman is pulling a Fitz on you.

[formerlyofCtown]

7 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

 

Pfft.

 

Because Peterman has shown so much veteran savvy.

Like it or not Peterman has played well.  Both on the third team and 1st team.  That means he played well against the other teams starters.

 

I want to see Allen against another teams starters.  You all need to forget about 1 game last year.  If Allen maintains I his level of play against 1st team players then we may have a Kelly and Reich type situation.  FINALLY

Edited August 19, 2018 by formerlyofCtown

[Prickly Pete]

9 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Peterman is pulling a Fitz on you.

 

Peterman is nowhere close even to Fitz.

 He will dream of having a career like Fitz.

 

9 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Peterman has the advantage of having already faced about the worst adversity a qb could face (5 it's in a half)

 

Classic!

 

Maybe this season he can go for 6 in a half, and REALLY gain experience! Talk about seeing the sunny side of life.

 

Edited August 19, 2018 by OJ Tom

[Buffalo Barbarian]

This will be Jalen Ramsey after we beat them.

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

7 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

"I'm afraid to start a rookie. Put in the 2nd year guy, he's so much safer"...wringing your hands over this like old ladies.

 

 

Where? Point it out...

 

 

 

 

I think you have been reading about "inconsistency", more than seeing it.

 

I see a guy consistently getting better each week.

 

 

 

 Look at his first throw against the browns.  That was a mis fire.  First thrown against the panthers was out of bounds.   There are others.  He still needs work on mechanics.  

Edited August 19, 2018 by mattynh

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, mattynh said:

 Look at his first throw against the browns.  That was a mis fire.  First thrown against the panthers was out of bounds.   There are others.  He still needs work on mechanics.  

One day he'll have a preseason game with a 100% completion percentage. Only then can we consider starting him however many years that takes.

[Green Lightning]

9 hours ago, Warcodered said:

and how is he to experience that if he doesn't start?

 

He'll start when we're out of contention and be worked into games.  No need to start day one. That said I trust McBeane to figure out what's best.

[Matt_In_NH]

35 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

One day he'll have a preseason game with a 100% completion percentage. Only then can we consider starting him however many years that takes.

 

Take it easy man.  Not looking for perfection so dint act like I am.   I think Allen will be great but there may be a benefit to him sitting the beginning of the season against some touchy defenses.  Pre season defenses don’t do a lot of scheming and stuff so you have to take good and bad in preseason with a grain of salt.  

 

What you you don’t want to do is start him and have to pull him if it goes badly.  

[WhickedWilliams]

16 hours ago, Bring it said:

It’s easy to critique Allen on strengths and weaknesses! But, the feeling I get watching him is that he just can play the game!! He’s a Qb, period.

 

 

The old ? test

[ColoradoBills]

48 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

Take it easy man.  Not looking for perfection so dint act like I am.   I think Allen will be great but there may be a benefit to him sitting the beginning of the season against some touchy defenses.  Pre season defenses don’t do a lot of scheming and stuff so you have to take good and bad in preseason with a grain of salt.  

 

What you you don’t want to do is start him and have to pull him if it goes badly.  

 

Josh Allen has played well and deserves a start with the 1s for the 3rd preseason game.

Do you agree with that?

 

As I have stated in a post yesterday, I am the "be patient with Josh Allen and don't rush him" poster child.

That being said, JA deserves a start with the 1s.  IMO

 

After the 3rd preseason game I personally will have more "data" (facts, stats, and personal opinion).

[The Red King]

6 hours ago, mattynh said:

 Look at his first throw against the browns.  That was a mis fire.  First thrown against the panthers was out of bounds.   There are others.  He still needs work on mechanics.  

 

What others?  Seriously, watch the clip posted earlier and tell me what other throws were bad.

[Fadingpain]

Were we expecting our defenders to point out his flaws and suggest that he doesn't seem to have what it takes to be successful in the NFL?

 

Is there any chance whatsoever that they would say anything negative at all? 

What are those odds exactly?

 

 

[billspro]

9 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Were we expecting our defenders to point out his flaws and suggest that he doesn't seem to have what it takes to be successful in the NFL?

 

Is there any chance whatsoever that they would say anything negative at all? 

What are those odds exactly?

 

 

 

Most of the time they don’t say anything. Last time I read defenders talking like that was Russell Wilson.

[BillsBytheBay]

9 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Like it or not Peterman has played well.  Both on the third team and 1st team.  That means he played well against the other teams starters.

 

I want to see Allen against another teams starters.  You all need to forget about 1 game last year.  If Allen maintains I his level of play against 1st team players then we may have a Kelly and Reich type situation.  FINALLY

My fear with Peterman is when teams scheme, his short comings are going to be exposed for turn overs.  I haven't lost faith for his ability as a back up, but Allen is going to force schemes.  Allen didn't benefit from a run game, the run game benifited by the respect opposing players will have to give his arm.

 

I have mentioned that he will look over a dump off for the big play,  I think he read my post before the Cleveland game, lol. (JK) but he killed them on short passes.  It was awesome.

[Kelly the Dog]

7 hours ago, mattynh said:

 Look at his first throw against the browns.  That was a mis fire.  First thrown against the panthers was out of bounds.   There are others.  He still needs work on mechanics.  

Missing one pass means you're inconsistent? 

 

I know you said there were others but he was quite accurate and consistent from start to finish.

[BillsBytheBay]

20 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Were we expecting our defenders to point out his flaws and suggest that he doesn't seem to have what it takes to be successful in the NFL?

 

Is there any chance whatsoever that they would say anything negative at all? 

What are those odds exactly?

 

 

They didn't have to gush over him.  I've never seen that, except as already sited with Wilson.

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Missing one pass means you're inconsistent? 

 

I know you said there were others but he was quite accurate and consistent from start to finish.

Lol...goes almost %70 and three scores, and dude is complaining about his FIRST pass????????

Edited August 19, 2018 by JaxBills

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, JaxBills said:

My fear with Peterman is when teams scheme, his short comings are going to be exposed for turn overs.  I haven't lost faith for his ability as a back up, but Allen is going to force schemes.  Allen didn't benefit from a run game, the run game benifited by the respect opposing players will have to give his arm.

 

I have mentioned that he will look over a dump off for the big play,  I think he read my post before the Cleveland game, lol. (JK) but he killed them on short passes.  It was awesome.

The first play of the game was a pick six the defender dropped. Defenders will be jumping routes all game long. High school coaches can figure him out. Guys like him can succeed if not excel in practice and preseason because the speed is not the same. They cannot succeed when the real bullets fly. 

[BillsBytheBay]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The first play of the game was a pick six the defender dropped. Defenders will be jumping routes all game long. High school coaches can figure him out. Guys like him can succeed if not excel in practice and preseason because the speed is not the same. They cannot succeed when the real bullets fly. 

I saw him in HS.  He's local...

So routing for him.......I'm bias.  I'll admit it.???

But he IS NO starter for sure.

[formerlyofCtown]

24 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

My fear with Peterman is when teams scheme, his short comings are going to be exposed for turn overs.  I haven't lost faith for his ability as a back up, but Allen is going to force schemes.  Allen didn't benefit from a run game, the run game benifited by the respect opposing players will have to give his arm.

 

I have mentioned that he will look over a dump off for the big play,  I think he read my post before the Cleveland game, lol. (JK) but he killed them on short passes.  It was awesome.

No argument here.  Allen has better tools and has played very well against third team players and played well against 2nd team players while benefiting from having 1st team players in his huddle.  Show me first team against first team.

[BillsBytheBay]

7 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

No argument here.  Allen has better tools and has played very well against third team players and played well against 2nd team players while benefiting from having 1st team players in his huddle.  Show me first team against first team.

And yet Baker is still touted after being trashed by our second team.  Nobody thinks Allen has "arrived" yet.  But he sure as hell has checked every box.  How many rookie QBs have as many points as him in preseason?  Some who are slated to start.  All with our terrible o line.

  It's getting to the point that it's obviois some people are clinging to their original opinions.

BTW, we're talking about starting Nate FREAKEN Peterson over him?!?  

People are saying Baker should start over Tyrod. I mean come on.

Edited August 19, 2018 by JaxBills

[purple haze]

16 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

His confidence and coolness is also more advanced than I expected.  Early on, he's been quite impressive.  The concern is that the offensive line has been offensive.

The starting o-line was pretty good against Carolina.  Pretty bad against Cleveland. That could be a function of Cleveland doing more stunts up front. Game 3 will be a better indicator bc both teams will game plan a bit.

[greeneblitz]

2 hours ago, mattynh said:

 

Take it easy man.  Not looking for perfection so dint act like I am.   I think Allen will be great but there may be a benefit to him sitting the beginning of the season against some touchy defenses.  Pre season defenses don’t do a lot of scheming and stuff so you have to take good and bad in preseason with a grain of salt.  

 

What you you don’t want to do is start him and have to pull him if it goes badly.  

The only thing that happens if he sits against "a few good defenses" is that the best QB will be off the field and that QB won't have those experiences and will just have to take his lumps later than sooner.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

3 hours ago, Warcodered said:

One day he'll have a preseason game with a 100% completion percentage. Only then can we consider starting him however many years that takes.

I agree. But we also need a succession plan in place for when we trade him to New England after he throws his first interception.

[BillsBytheBay]

10 minutes ago, purple haze said:

The starting o-line was pretty good against Carolina.  Pretty bad against Cleveland. That could be a function of Cleveland doing more stunts up front. Game 3 will be a better indicator bc both teams will game plan a bit.

Ol' greggo was blitzing and using overloads.

One play a browns player was still giving McC the business on the ground, I like how our o line didn't take that well and retaliated without drawing a flag.

Edited August 19, 2018 by JaxBills

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[BillsFan4]

12 hours ago, Paulus said:

What if playing him stunts his development/growth but gives the team the best chance to win? 

If that were the case, then I’d rather not play him. 

 

Developing Josh Allen into our franchise QBs for the next 10+ years is much more important to me than few extra wins this season. 

 

Just to be clear though, I am not saying that playing josh will stunt his development. 

I have no clue if it would or not. I will defer to the coaching staff’s superior knowledge on this subject, and support whoever they start. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He is soooo good at saying nothing

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, JaxBills said:

And yet Baker is still touted after being trashed by our second team.  Nobody thinks Allen has "arrived" yet.  But he sure as hell has checked every box.  How many rookie QBs have as many points as him in preseason?  Some who are slated to start.  All with our terrible o line.

  It's getting to the point that it's obviois some people are clinging to their original opinions.

BTW, we're talking about starting Nate FREAKEN Peterson over him?!?  

People are saying Baker should start over Tyrod. I mean come on.

Tyrod passed for 22 yards.

If you want to read what I'm saying I didn't say I don't want him to start.  I was all for Allen when most said he was the worst QB in the draft.

I want to see him with the starters in the first quarter next week but I'm not anointing him the starter.  It's a competition he has to win it.  Which means he has to play well 1st team against 1st team.  Not 1st team against backups.

I'm not as foolish as others.

 

It seems the professional coaches agree with me.  Slow down dude.

Edited August 19, 2018 by formerlyofCtown

[BillsBytheBay]

7 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Tyrod passed for 22 yards.

If you want to read what I'm saying I didn't say I don't want him to start.  I was all for Allen when most said he was the worst QB in the draft.

I want to see him with the starters in the first quarter next week but I'm not anointing him the starter.  It's a competition he has to win it.  Which means he has to play well 1st team against 1st team.  Not 1st team against backups.

I'm not as foolish as others.

 

It seems the professional coaches agree with me.  Slow down dude.

I wasn't saying you in particular.  Or I would have said you in particular.

 

My point to you was he's checking the boxes.  Further it's my stated opinion he still needs to play well next week.

 

My merged post reiderates how mad it seems to me, that after being maybe the Best rookie QB so far, he is viewed as that kid who isnt on par with the other rookie QBs.

[Paulus]

31 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

If that were the case, then I’d rather not play him. 

 

Developing Josh Allen into our franchise QBs for the next 10+ years is much more important to me than few extra wins this season. 

 

Just to be clear though, I am not saying that playing josh will stunt his development. 

I have no clue if it would or not. I will defer to the coaching staff’s superior knowledge on this subject, and support whoever they start. 

I am thinking that what I asked is the biggest question that needs to be answered by the staff. He, IMHO, gives the Bills the best chance at winning. That said, does starting him stunt his growth? And, to what degree is growth sacrificed for winning now?