Prickly Pete Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Green Lightning said: He'll start when we're out of contention and be worked into games. No need to start day one. That said I trust McBeane to figure out what's best. Yeah, just waste the season. Just tell a bunch of players to sacrifice their bodies (in at least one case a player likely playing his final season), stay focused, and devote themselves to winning, while a Grade A prospect that has been playing really well, keeps improving weekly, and gives a noticeable boost to the whole team whenever he steps on the field, just stands waiting on the sidelines. Then when the season is dusted, THEN you send him in, and tell the players to "trust the process". Edited August 19, 2018 by OJ Tom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Tyrod passed for 22 yards. If you want to read what I'm saying I didn't say I don't want him to start. I was all for Allen when most said he was the worst QB in the draft. I want to see him with the starters in the first quarter next week but I'm not anointing him the starter. It's a competition he has to win it. Which means he has to play well 1st team against 1st team. Not 1st team against backups. I'm not as foolish as others. It seems the professional coaches agree with me. Slow down dude. Well, thats comforting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 12 hours ago, OJ Tom said: Peterman is nowhere close even to Fitz. He will dream of having a career like Fitz. Classic! Maybe this season he can go for 6 in a half, and REALLY gain experience! Talk about seeing the sunny side of life. Sadly you misunderstood what I said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Sadly you misunderstood what I said... Sadly, I know exactly what you said. Sadly, you think that throwing 5 interceptions in a half, but then beating a crap team in a snow blizzard game, and having reasonable success in a couple preseason games (wasn't he decent in his rookie preseason, the one before he threw 5 in the real season?) is somehow solid enough proof to assume he has "overcome" the adversity. And that those interceptions were the building blocks for his current "success', and some kind of "advantage". Laughable. Edited August 19, 2018 by OJ Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, OJ Tom said: Sadly, I know exactly what you said. You obviously didnt by your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Totally off topic, but I love that hat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, PIZ said: Totally off topic, but I love that hat! Not sure how it's off topic with a quote by McDermott that said "but I love the fact that Josh is earning the trust and respect of his teammates." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, JaxBills said: I wasn't saying you in particular. Or I would have said you in particular. My point to you was he's checking the boxes. Further it's my stated opinion he still needs to play well next week. My merged post reiderates how mad it seems to me, that after being maybe the Best rookie QB so far, he is viewed as that kid who isnt on par with the other rookie QBs. No he's light years ahead. I viewed him as the 2nd Best behind Mayfield. Now I see why he was viewed by the front office as the #1 QB. Part of worries about his confidence getting damaged while another part of me thinks it can't be. That is an it factor that both he and Peterman seem to have. Peterman doesn't have the physical tools that Allen has but he does have the it factor. He will be a top shelf backup for us (or some good trade bait) for a few years and then he will start elsewhere. If Allen is ready then that's awesome. If not, Peterman is clearly ready and improved. A lot of you can't see what's right in front of your face because your busy looking at game tape from a single game last year. Guess what. Sometimes rookies have really bad games but the way they respond to that adversity is far more important than their first ever start in the NFL their rookie season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Pretty high praise from Hyde. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: No he's light years ahead. I viewed him as the 2nd Best behind Mayfield. Now I see why he was viewed by the front office as the #1 QB. Part of worries about his confidence getting damaged while another part of me thinks it can't be. That is an it factor that both he and Peterman seem to have. Peterman doesn't have the physical tools that Allen has but he does have the it factor. He will be a top shelf backup for us (or some good trade bait) for a few years and then he will start elsewhere. If Allen is ready then that's awesome. If not, Peterman is clearly ready and improved. A lot of you can't see what's right in front of your face because your busy looking at game tape from a single game last year. Guess what. Sometimes rookies have really bad games but the way they respond to that adversity is far more important than their first ever start in the NFL their rookie season. Didnt mean to come off as a richard too bud. Peterman went to HS about 15 min. From my house. Trust me, I've been routing for him. I think he has all the tools but an arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Pretty high praise from Hyde. He will be our starter, before the last game players didnt talk this much about him or maybe weren't allowed. Now you have so many players praising him. Its obvious they want him to start, you don't need to praise a guy like this unless you trust and want him playing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Dude balls. He's ready. Like are we defining "ready" as only starting when he's at his peak? He's the best QB on the roster. That's ready. Quarterbacks typically have a lot to improve on after their first starting year lol. So I don't know what ready means unless it's holding him back until he's so tired of being in the bench for 4 years being the best QB, he rage plays the end of his contract and gets out of dodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Pretty high praise from Hyde. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 hours ago, fansince88 said: Well, thats comforting. A bit much I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 That blurb from Micah also shows that Josh was playing with the ones against the ones today in practice. Not that it is surprising but something we didn't know for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 This is encouraging. If Taylor was still here you wouldn't be hearing this from anybody. This is a sales pitch by his teammates for Josh Allen to be the starter because they believe he will give them the best chance to win. I think the odds of Allen winning the starting job is good at this point (we'll see how the 3rd preseason game goes). If Peterman does win the job, my guess is he won't be on the field for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not sure how it's off topic with a quote by McDermott that said "but I love the fact that Josh is earning the trust and respect of his teammates." I meant my comment about liking the hat was off topic. My post about the hat was off topic, not the McDermott quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, PIZ said: I meant my comment about liking the hat was off topic. My post about the hat was off topic, not the McDermott quote My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 3 hours ago, OJ Tom said: Yeah, just waste the season. Just tell a bunch of players to sacrifice their bodies (in at least one case a player likely playing his final season), stay focused, and devote themselves to winning, while a Grade A prospect that has been playing really well, keeps improving weekly, and gives a noticeable boost to the whole team whenever he steps on the field, just stands waiting on the sidelines. Then when the season is dusted, THEN you send him in, and tell the players to "trust the process". Take it up with McBeane. After the bozo FOs we've had the past few decades these guys get the benefit of the doubt with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I know it early...but, I Love this kid and I think we will see him for years to come ! So pumped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: That blurb from Micah also shows that Josh was playing with the ones against the ones today in practice. Not that it is surprising but something we didn't know for sure. His eyes when he said Allen was hitting guys in the chest...lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I think it's becoming more clear that his teammates are making these statements because a) they believe in him and b) they are making a public sales pitch to the coach for him to start. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: That blurb from Micah also shows that Josh was playing with the ones against the ones today in practice. Not that it is surprising but something we didn't know for sure. What did he say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Pretty high praise from Hyde. I think they sound excited at the thought of this guy (Allen) being their QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Take it up with McBeane. After the bozo FOs we've had the past few decades these guys get the benefit of the doubt with me. That's not what McBeane is gonna do though, it's what some fools here THINK they will or should do. They are fans, that read somenonsense about how to develop QB's and post some kind of plan that they think the team should follow. Each QB is different. This isn't JP Lossman, it's a guy with amazing talent, that is getting good quickly, and a 2nd year guy who (for some reason) some fans have projected their dreams onto (but he is actually just in the way at this point). At worst, Peterman might start a couple games, but I think he will struggle and it will be obvious that it's time for Allen. Edited August 19, 2018 by OJ Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, fansince88 said: What did he say? That, like Aaron Rodgers, who Hyde played against in practices for a few years, Allen was listening to the defensive calls being made as they were lining up presnap, trying to figure out what they were doing on defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said: He will be our starter, before the last game players didnt talk this much about him or maybe weren't allowed. Now you have so many players praising him. Its obvious they want him to start, you don't need to praise a guy like this unless you trust and want him playing with you. BuhBuhBuh bbb...but wait! What about that great advantage that Peterman developed by throwing 5 interceptions in a half? How is Allen going to make any kind of career without that kind of advantage? I'm really hoping Allen throws 7 interceptions in his first half, then we'll know he's on his way, and can say "this guy is ready!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, OJ Tom said: That's not what McBeane is gonna do though, it's what some fools here THINK they will or should do. They are fans, that read somenonsense about how to develop QB's and post some kind of plan that they think the team should follow. Each QB is different. This isn't JP Lossman, it's a guy with amazing talent, that is getting good quickly, and a 2nd year guy who (for some reason) some fans have projected their dreams onto (but he is actually just in the way at this point). At worst, Peterman might start a couple games, but I think he will struggle and it will be obvious that it's time for Allen. I don't think you start Peterman with the intention of just a few games. If they think Allen is that close, he is close enough. I have liked Petermans work in preseason. I have also thought that Josh Allen has given reasons to be looked at more seriously right now as a starter. I'm glad our draft pick is earning his stripes and seems to be learning quickly. Edited August 19, 2018 by Lfod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Lfod said: I don't think you start Peterman with the intention of just a few games. If they think Allen is that close, he is close enough. I have liked Petermans work in preseason. I have also thought that Josh Allen has given reasons to be looked at more seriously right now as a starter. I'm glad our draft pick is earning his stripes and seems to be learning quickly. Thanks for the update. I didn't say it would be their intent, I'm saying Peterman would **** the bed so bad, they wouldn't have much of a choice. But they are (hopefully) smart enough to just start Allen. Edited August 19, 2018 by OJ Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 20 hours ago, brianthomas said: Other than him spelling his name wrong Its Reich everyone... Frank Reich Well the English rule is “ I before E except after C” so give him a break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, Lfod said: I don't think you start Peterman with the intention of just a few games. If they think Allen is that close, he is close enough. Why not? It’s done all the time, and just last season. Do you think anybody really thought Tom Savage gave the Texans a better chance to win than Watson? There would be benefits for Allen to sit and watch for a few meaningful games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) On 8/18/2018 at 6:46 PM, YoloinOhio said: His footwork is more advanced than I expected So is his pocket presence. its almost as if he really is that one guy that just got that far without legit coaching and now that he has it is soaking it up like a sponge Edited August 20, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Why not? It’s done all the time, and just last season. Do you think anybody really thought Tom Savage gave the Texans a better chance to win than Watson? There would be benefits for Allen to sit and watch for a few meaningful games. Touche fellow poster. I guess that would depend on Peterman. If we are winning games I don't think you make the switch. Edited August 20, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Why not? It’s done all the time, and just last season. Do you think anybody really thought Tom Savage gave the Texans a better chance to win than Watson? Wait, are you really saying that O’Brien did the right thing by starting Savage over Watson to start the season???? All that did was put the team in a hole and gift the Browns a higher draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, mannc said: Wait, are you really saying that O’Brien did the right thing by starting Savage over Watson to start the season???? All that did was put the team in a hole and gift the Browns a higher draft pick. I don’t know. I wasn’t at the Texans training camp nor did I watch their preseason games. I’m just saying O’Brien may have decided to give Watson a few games to watch. Savage’s poor play may have made Watson the starter quicker or it was close to the plan. Only those involved know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 I'd like to see some clips of WRs talking about catching passes from Josh Allen. I would imagine it was shocking after getting passes from other QBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: I don’t know. I wasn’t at the Texans training camp nor did I watch their preseason games. I’m just saying O’Brien may have decided to give Watson a few games to watch. Savage’s poor play may have made Watson the starter quicker or it was close to the plan. Only those involved know. John Fox in Chicago did the same thing last year, playing the abysmal Mike Glennon over Trubisky for the first 4 or 5 games. It was an absurd decision, did nothing but delay Trubisky’s development, and Fox is now unemployed. Edited August 20, 2018 by mannc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 4:23 PM, OJ Tom said: If the O-line sucks that bad, it's time to make a trade, and bring in a better player or two. Peterman isn't going to fair any better (he blows). The offensive identity is different with Allen, and they need to gear it to Allen NOW, not working on plays that suit Peterman's game. It's so comical how many Peterman bashers there still are. You guys all do realize Nate will be our backup for the next 10 years. Get over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, OJ Tom said: At worst, Peterman might start a couple games, but I think he will struggle and it will be obvious that it's time for Allen. Reasonable scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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