Nathan Peterman could end up surprising Buffalo Bills fans by winning the starting job.

[HOUSE]

Nathan Peterman could end up surprising Buffalo Bills fans by winning the starting job.

 

Josh Allen still hasn’t signed his rookie contract with the Buffalo Bills so technically Nathan Peterman has a 50 percent shot at winning the starting job.

Jokes aside, Peterman enters training camp with a realistic shot to win the starting job in 2018. He and AJ McCarron were duking it out in minicamp, while Allen spent most of his time with the reserve players.

We ran a poll over the weekend looking at how fans viewed Peterman as he enters the 2018 season. He obviously didn’t have the best debut, because it was the worst, but that doesn’t mean he should be cast aside to clipboard purgatory.

There are vocal Peterman fans out in the world of Twitter who want to see the second-year player get another shot and the good news for them is that he will be given a fair shot. If Peterman is truly worthy of starting, he will show that by being the best quarterback in training camp and in the preseason.

We take a look at that and more in a Monday edition of The Morning Charge. On a week without a holiday. That’s a bummer.

Buffalo Bills News:

Does Nathan Peterman deserve another chance? (BuffaLowDown, Steven Kubitza)

This article features the poll mentioned above. I’m not sure what it is about Peterman but the mystique surrounding him has given him a strong base of supporters. He hasn’t really done anything to warrant this support, which is the odd part about it.

 

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2018/07/09/buffalo-bills-news-eyes-nathan-peterman/

Edited July 9, 2018 by THE SLAMMER

[Homey D. Clown]

I wouldn't be surprised in the least, nor would I be entirely disappointed either.  If they want Josh Allen to succeed, the Bills will need him to grow into a starting role, and Peterman looked good at times, better than what they have passed off to fans as a starting QB over the last decade anyway, so it could only benefit the team if he does play well.  If he plays really well, then you have a QB problem.  If he plays adequate, then you have a good enough reason to bring Josh along to supplant him.  I see no down side here.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Homey D. Clown

[Buffalo716]

If Peterman wins the job they are legitimately trying for a top pick.

 

McCarron is an established backup veteran and should be better than Peterman. At least good enough to win 4-8 games

 

I don’t see Peterman winning 4 games...

 

If they want to protect Josh because they think we don’t have the pieces around him then they are going to sacrifice Peterman to the football gods

 

and try and draft Nicki Bicpes aka Nick Bosa

13 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

I wouldn't be surprised in the least, nor would I be entirely disappointed either.  If they want Josh Allen to succeed, the Bills will need him to grow into a starting role, and Peterman looked good at times, better than what they have passed off to fans as a starting QB over the last decade anyway...

 

What actual starter have we trotted out over the past 10 years that was as bad statistically as Peterman?

 

not TT,not Orton, not even EJ or Jeff Tuel who was undrafted

 

even Thad Lewis won us 2 games with more TDs than picks 

Edited July 9, 2018 by Buffalo716

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

If Peterman wins the job they are legitimately trying for a top pick.

 

McCarron is an established veteran and should be better than Peterman. At least good enough to win 4-8 games

 

I don’t see Peterman winning 4 games...

 

If they want to protect Josh because they think we don’t have the pieces around him then they are going to sacrifice Peterman to the football gods

 

and try and draft Nicki Bicpes aka Nick Bosa

 

What actual starter have we trotted out over the past 10 years that was as bad statistically as Peterman?

 

not TT,not Orton, not even EJ or Jeff Tuel who was undrafted

 

even Thad Lewis won us a game lol

 

You think McCarron is an established veteran? He's played like 5 games in the league.

[US Egg]

"Nathan Peterman could end up surprising Buffalo Bills fans by winning the starting job".

 

.....I could see me being the QB on the practice squad.

 

I could have gone Pro.

 

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by I am the egg man

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

You think McCarron is an established veteran? He's played like 5 games in the league.

 

He is a established backup veteran by NFl standards. He has been a backup for years 

 

TT was an established backup Vet when we signed him too, an NFL veteran... and Mccarron has more playing time

Edited July 9, 2018 by Buffalo716

[CommonCents]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

If Peterman wins the job they are legitimately trying for a top pick.

 

McCarron is an established veteran and should be better than Peterman. At least good enough to win 4-8 games

 

I don’t see Peterman winning 4 games...

 

If they want to protect Josh because they think we don’t have the pieces around him then they are going to sacrifice Peterman to the football gods

 

and try and draft Nicki Bicpes aka Nick Bosa

 

What actual starter have we trotted out over the past 10 years that was as bad statistically as Peterman?

 

not TT,not Orton, not even EJ or Jeff Tuel who was undrafted

 

even Thad Lewis won us a game lol

AJ/Peterman were both drafted in the 5th round, neither had high hopes of being a starter in the NFL. AJ has thrown for 920 yards and 6 touchdowns, far from established. AJ has sucked less than Peterman but I don’t see this group wanting to tank and I don’t see either one of these QBs being the difference maker.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Here are more opening day odds; AJM 65%, Allen 30%, Peterman 5%.

 

Yes it COULD happen, Allen might not be anywhere near ready, AJM who really knows.

[Thunderstruck]

I'm looking at that 9/16 revenge game on the schedule. 5TDs and 0 picks. Lock it up.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Commonsense said:

AJ/Peterman were both drafted in the 5th round, neither had high hopes of being a starter in the NFL. AJ has thrown for 920 yards and 6 touchdowns, far from established. AJ has sucked less than Peterman but I don’t see this group wanting to tank and I don’t see either one of these QBs being the difference maker.

 

Established backup.

 

You don’t stick as a backup for 5 years if your bad, especially as primary 

 

TT was less established than McCarron when we got him...

 

i never said Mccarron is good or anything, I said he has to be better than Peterman 

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Here are more opening day odds; AJM 65%, Allen 30%, Peterman 5%.

 

Yes it COULD happen, Allen might not be anywhere near ready, AJM who really knows.

Where did you get those odds? 

 

Last I checked the over/under for total starts was set at 10.5 for Josh Allen. Vegas isn’t buying AJM

[gatorbait]

May the best man win! 

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Established backup.

 

You don’t stick as a backup for 5 years if your bad, especially as primary 

 

TT was less established than McCarron when we got him...

 

i never said Mccarron is good or anything, I said he has to be better than Peterman 

Do we really need to list long term back up QBs who are absolutely terrible? Or are you just having fun? Peterman was horrible, I never liked the pick, I still don’t see how it’s far fetched that he ends up being similar or better than another subpar prospect.

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Where did you get those odds? 

 

Last I checked the over/under for total starts was set at 10.5 for Josh Allen. Vegas isn’t buying AJM

Sorry, those are my opening day odds.

 

And I could see 10.5 o/u for Allen, makes sense. To me that means AJM starts the season but Allen progresses, the losses mount and Allen starts the final 10-11 games of the season.

Edited July 9, 2018 by RoyBatty is alive

[Rc2catch]

The stink of the 5 pick half on peterman leaves a terrible impression. He obviously was not ready and did not look like he belongs on an nfl sideline let alone the field. But I’m willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. None of us know how hard he may work behind the scenes and in the film room to get better. Some fans are excited about him because he’s considered a very fast decision maker and can throw his receivers open, which given this group would be huge.

Time will tell if he can legit win the job but I think it would be unfair to count his one start against him given his right tackle blocked nobody all game and let the chargers destroy him on every throw, but he did look terrible regardless. I consider a clean slate for this season and let’s see what these guys can do. 

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Do we really need to list long term back up QBs who are absolutely terrible? Or are you just having fun? Peterman was horrible, I never liked the pick, I still don’t see how it’s far fetched that he ends up being similar or better than another subpar prospect.

Horrible by your standards or NFL? No NFL player is horrible(untalented) let alone a #2 QB... just not as good as their peers

 

if you are a 10 year backup QB, you will be called horrible for 10 years... but that’s not the truth

 

im not talking a backup who stick for 2 seasons... by all accounts Mccarron is going to be a 8-10 year veteran, already going on year 5... that’s far from horrible for an NFL player

 

he isnt a top QB, he’s a backup... he can become a Keenum, Mccown type in a good system possibly ... I always thought Keenum was pretty good as well and people said he was horrible as well

 

All backups are backups for a reason

Edited July 9, 2018 by Buffalo716

[aceman_16]

20 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

You think McCarron is an established veteran? He's played like 5 games in the league.

And...  NOT even in the same offense.  In other words,  Peterman and AJ are on a level playing field imo.

[RyanC883]

19 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

I'm looking at that 9/16 revenge game on the schedule. 5TDs and 0 picks. Lock it up.

 

as long as someone, you know, decides to block Bosa this time! 

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Horrible by your standards or NFL? No NFL player is horrible(untalented) let alone a #2 QB... just not as good as their peers

 

if you are a 10 year backup QB, you will be called horrible for 10 years... but that’s not the truth

 

im not talking a backup who stick for 2 seasons... by all accounts Mccarron is going to be a 8-10 year veteran, already going on year 5... that’s far from horrible for an NFL player

 

he isnt a top QB, he’s a backup... he can become a Keenum, Mccown type in a good system possibly 

 

All backups are backups for a reason

So by your logic all backups can possibly become starters and earn big contracts unless your Nate Peterman, Nate = tank? Right?

 

AJM has played very few NFL snaps, he got the lowest contract offer of any of the available QBs on the FA market. I just don’t see the big disparity in talent, both guys are underwhelming. Only thing that matters to me is that Josh Allen knocks over these pawns before week 3 of the preseason.

[RyanC883]

2018 Bills Award Winners: 

 

Peterman--2018 NFL Comeback Player of the year, barley beating out Zay Jones! 

 

Edmunds--2018 DROY

 

McCoy--NFL Offensive Player of the Year

 

MCD--NFL Coach of the Year

 

[Captain Hindsight]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

as long as someone, you know, decides to block Bosa this time! 

He could also step up into the pocket instead of throwing widely off his back foot into double coverage

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

2018 Bills Award Winners: 

 

Peterman--2018 NFL Comeback Player of the year, barley beating out Zay Jones! 

 

Edmunds--2018 DROY

 

McCoy--NFL Offensive Player of the Year

 

MCD--NFL Coach of the Year

 

100-1 SB odds. Get it in.

[Fr. Jerk]

At first I thought no way, but its looking like it might actually be a possibility.

 

I don't dig Peterman, ya dig?

[Thunderstruck]

5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

as long as someone, you know, decides to block Bosa this time! 

They can always rip a turnstile out of the gate area and sub it in for Jordan Mills

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

So by your logic all backups can possibly become starters and earn big contracts unless your Nate Peterman, Nate = tank? Right?

 

AJM has played very few NFL snaps, he got the lowest contract offer of any of the available QBs on the FA market. I just don’t see the big disparity in talent, both guys are underwhelming. Only thing that matters to me is that Josh Allen knocks over these pawns before week 3 of the preseason.

 

Again I never said I think Mccarron is the answer. I said in my opinion he is more ready and better than Peterman...

 

the NFL is a different animal, where you are drafted is meaningless once you step on the field

 

its all about heart and work ethic... whoever has that can be a success...

 

of course backup QBs can work hard and earn success and become starters, but it’s very hard, of course Peterman can too, but I personally don’t have faith

 

i want Allen to win the job outright in camp and Pre season because he oozes talent that neither have

 

Allen can be our Cam, Big, Ben

Edited July 9, 2018 by Buffalo716

[McNubbins]

War Peterman, I'm fine with him starting.  Unless he repeats his historically bad game.

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Again I never said I think Mccarron is the answer. I said in my opinion he is more ready and better than Peterman...

 

the NFL is a different animal, where you are drafted is meaningless once you step on the field

 

its all about heart and work ethic... whoever has that can be a success...

 

of course backup QBs can work hard and earn success and become starters, but it’s very hard, of course Peterman can too, but I personally don’t have faith

 

i want Allen to win the job outright in camp and Pre season because he oozes talent that neither have

I don’t think highly of Nate or AJM but I trust McD and their decision making enough that whoever starts is the best option. 

 

They had the balls to sit Taylor in hopes of improving the passing game. That’s a guy desperate to win, he isn’t starting a lesser QB so he can get a better pick.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet I wouldn’t be any more surprised... 

[Albany,n.y.]

Even though I'm not a fan of Peterman, I could see him starting since AJ, from what I've heard & read, wasn't good in mini-camp and was the 3rd best QB on the field. In order: Peterman, Allen (with few 1st team reps) & McCarron.  Now unless Peterman is lighting it up, I expect to see Allen starting no later than after the bye, which this year is on November 18th. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Commonsense said:

I don’t think highly of Nate or AJM but I trust McD and their decision making enough that whoever starts is the best option. 

 

They had the balls to sit Taylor in hopes of improving the passing game. That’s a guy desperate to win, he isn’t starting a lesser QB so he can get a better pick.

 

But he did start a lesser QB vs the chargers because he was desperate... I wanted to see how it played out because we were getting stagnant on offense 

 

BUT

 

nobody could say that going into that game that Peterman was a better QB than TT , technically a pro bowl QB

 

Mcdermott took a gamble to spark a fire because he was desperate to win, and he started a worse QB who just wasn’t afraid to throw 

 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, THE SLAMMER said:

Nathan Peterman could end up surprising Buffalo Bills fans by winning the starting job.

 

Josh Allen still hasn’t signed his rookie contract with the Buffalo Bills so technically Nathan Peterman has a 50 percent shot at winning the starting job.

Jokes aside, Peterman enters training camp with a realistic shot to win the starting job in 2018. He and AJ McCarron were duking it out in minicamp, while Allen spent most of his time with the reserve players.

We ran a poll over the weekend looking at how fans viewed Peterman as he enters the 2018 season. He obviously didn’t have the best debut, because it was the worst, but that doesn’t mean he should be cast aside to clipboard purgatory.

There are vocal Peterman fans out in the world of Twitter who want to see the second-year player get another shot and the good news for them is that he will be given a fair shot. If Peterman is truly worthy of starting, he will show that by being the best quarterback in training camp and in the preseason.

We take a look at that and more in a Monday edition of The Morning Charge. On a week without a holiday. That’s a bummer.

Buffalo Bills News:

Does Nathan Peterman deserve another chance? (BuffaLowDown, Steven Kubitza)

This article features the poll mentioned above. I’m not sure what it is about Peterman but the mystique surrounding him has given him a strong base of supporters. He hasn’t really done anything to warrant this support, which is the odd part about it.

 

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2018/07/09/buffalo-bills-news-eyes-nathan-peterman/

I don't hold the SD game against him, but I don't understand the love for him either. If he is the best option out of camp, so be it. Allen is our QB of the future, the sooner he's ready to start, the better.

[John from Riverside]

56 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

You think McCarron is an established veteran? He's played like 5 games in the league.

But he has a winning record in those games

[BuffaloBaumer]

Anyone wishing for Peterman to fail is clueless. How does we know that the tiny amount of playtime he was given dictates what his talents might be. Is it that crazy to think he was thrust into a terrible situation and has learned. It only means good things if he wins the job as I don't want to see Allen in there until the last quarter of the season anyway.

[Fadingpain]

What happened to the multi-page thread dedicated to precisely this same assertion?

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

You think McCarron is an established veteran? He's played like 5 games in the league.

 

He's played 5 games in which he threw 6 TD and 2 INT, was remarkably consistent at mid-60s completion, and passed for between 160-280 ypg (average 209).

He kept the team in every game, broke even on W-L during the regular season, and came durn close to winning the playoff game.

 

Unless he comes on in a big way, he's not a starter, but established veteran, I'd agree.  He has demonstrated that he can handle an NFL-speed game competently.

 

It's possible Peterman may develop and show he is better, but to date, he is far from having shown he can play competently during a regular season game.  He is rockin' 49% completions, 2 TD to 5 INT, under 10 completions per game in his 2 starts, and under 50 ypg in his 2 starts.  I grant that both his starts were in remarkably challenging circumstances, but until he generates better, data are data.  And he did some dumb sh*t - headfirst dive etc.

 

36 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

But he did start a lesser QB vs the chargers because he was desperate... I wanted to see how it played out because we were getting stagnant on offense 

BUT

nobody could say that going into that game that Peterman was a better QB than TT , technically a pro bowl QB

Mcdermott took a gamble to spark a fire because he was desperate to win, and he started a worse QB who just wasn’t afraid to throw

 

I see it a little differently - no inside gouge of course - Rico Dennison benched a stagnant Peyton Manning for Brock Osweiler at precisely the same point in the Bronc's superbowl season.  At the time, Manning was injured, yes, but also struggling to execute Kubiak/Dennison's offense the way he wanted it executed.  Hard to argue Osweiler is a better QB even than the injured embers of Peyton Manning.  It was like "listen up, I'm the boss, and you do what I say or I'll sit your butt".

I think Dennison sold the Peterman start because Taylor simply wasn't executing what he was told to do on offense, and he felt that Lynn (from coaching him) had Taylor's number and would shut him down hard.  I don't think he thought it would play out as it did (take the heart out of the team, lead them to play like they were sleepwalking), but then, I don't think much of Dennison's abilities as a coach for not knowing that.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He's played 5 games in which he threw 6 TD and 2 INT, was remarkably consistent at mid-60s completion, and passed for between 160-280 ypg (average 209).

He kept the team in every game, broke even on W-L during the regular season, and came durn close to winning the playoff game.

 

Unless he comes on in a big way, he's not a starter, but established veteran, I'd agree.  He has demonstrated that he can handle an NFL-speed game competently.

 

It's possible Peterman may develop and show he is better, but to date, he is far from having shown he can play competently during a regular season game.  He is rockin' 49% completions, 2 TD to 5 INT, under 10 completions per game in his 2 starts, and under 50 ypg in his 2 starts.  I grant that both his starts were in remarkably challenging circumstances, but until he generates better, data are data.  And he did some dumb sh*t - headfirst dive etc.

 

 

I see it a little differently - no inside gouge of course - Rico Dennison benched a stagnant Peyton Manning for Brock Osweiler at precisely the same point in the Bronc's superbowl season.  At the time, Manning was injured, yes, but also struggling to execute Kubiak/Dennison's offense the way he wanted it executed.  Hard to argue Osweiler is a better QB even than the injured embers of Peyton Manning.  It was like "listen up, I'm the boss, and you do what I say or I'll sit your butt".

I think Dennison sold the Peterman start because Taylor simply wasn't executing what he was told to do on offense, and he felt that Lynn (from coaching him) had Taylor's number and would shut him down hard.  I don't think he thought it would play out as it did (take the heart out of the team, lead them to play like they were sleepwalking), but then, I don't think much of Dennison's abilities as a coach for not knowing that.

 

 

 

That was my fathers take as well that it was Dennison and I can see that 100%

 

Dennison never tried to play to TT strengths for sustained periods and wanted a QB willing to push the ball

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He's played 5 games in which he threw 6 TD and 2 INT, was remarkably consistent at mid-60s completion, and passed for between 160-280 ypg (average 209).

He kept the team in every game, broke even on W-L during the regular season, and came durn close to winning the playoff game.

 

Unless he comes on in a big way, he's not a starter, but established veteran, I'd agree.  He has demonstrated that he can handle an NFL-speed game competently.

 

It's possible Peterman may develop and show he is better, but to date, he is far from having shown he can play competently during a regular season game.  He is rockin' 49% completions, 2 TD to 5 INT, under 10 completions per game in his 2 starts, and under 50 ypg in his 2 starts.  I grant that both his starts were in remarkably challenging circumstances, but until he generates better, data are data.  And he did some dumb sh*t - headfirst dive etc.

 

I'm not saying Peterman is better, but calling McCarron an established veteran is a huge stretch. He's a guy with very limited playing time. I fully expect him to be the starter and for Peterman to ride the bench, but McCarron, in my opinion, does not have the playing time, no matter the results, to be considered an established veteran QB.

 

I don't think anyone knows if McCarron will play horribly, and I don't think anyone knows if he will play well. Why? Because he is still unknown and nobody knows for sure what you will get. You know exactly what you are getting with an "established veteran". He's not there yet.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

If Peterman wins the job they are legitimately trying for a top pick.

 

McCarron is an established backup veteran and should be better than Peterman. At least good enough to win 4-8 games

 

I don’t see Peterman winning 4 games...

 

If they want to protect Josh because they think we don’t have the pieces around him then they are going to sacrifice Peterman to the football gods

 

and try and draft Nicki Bicpes aka Nick Bosa

 

What actual starter have we trotted out over the past 10 years that was as bad statistically as Peterman?

 

not TT,not Orton, not even EJ or Jeff Tuel who was undrafted

 

even Thad Lewis won us 2 games with more TDs than picks 

It's not a horrible short term plan. Send Nate out there for a season and let Allen learn and develop. If we get the top pick,  get Bosa and oline/wr help for 2019.

[gjv001]

I don't envy whoever starts at QB this season for the Bills. The Oline pass blocking talent is very suspect as is the quality of our wide receivers.  As much as I would like to see Allen start this season, I'm hoping he only sees the field in preseason and game over scenarios.

[Jobot]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

If Peterman wins the job they are legitimately trying for a top pick.

 

 

I would expect an equal number of wins from any of the three options at qb.