freddyjj Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) So it's the time of year where nothing is happening in the league...except in Buffalo where The Process is still evolving. Was on the road yesterday and heard Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller on NFL Radio reviewing AFC East Defenses. As imagined they were not too kind to the Bills as our defense let us down at key times last year. Think NO run game and SD and NYJ passing games during mid-season losing streak. They mentioned 2 areas for improvement on D: Pass Rush - we were 4th worst in league with only 27 sacks. it is amazing that the McD /Frasier D schemed up as many picks as we got given the poor pressure generated. Bringing in Trent Murphy to come around the RT is part of the process. Keeping Lorenzo around might also be a way to generate pressure. Would be interesting to see if they drop Shaq inside on obvious passing downs to help get pressure? If he can't do that it could spell the end for him in BUF. STD Rush package Murphy-Star-Kyle-Jerry. Rotation pkg Shaq-Harry-Washington-Yarborough. I would also offer the Greyhound pkg- Zo-Murphy-Shaq-Jerry on 3rd and long or obvious passing downs. 3rd and long - per Kirwan the Bills were 2nd to last in this stat in getting off the field in 3rd and 7 or longer allowing opponents to convert almost 30% of the time. The lack of pressure and our poor LB coverage were the main culprits. McD went to a nickel package with Johnson playing in lieu of Zo for back half of season. Even then Brown and Humber were often exposed by an empty backfield or 13 formations. Having Edmunds and Milano as Nickel LBs and drafting 2 DBs and signing 2 more should help here. Rushing Defense - This is my pet peeve. Wonder why they signed Star ASAP and traded up for Edmunds? Check out this link... http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&tabSeq=2&season=2017&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&qualified=false The Bills were putrid on Run D. Some lowlights: Bills gave up 22 Rushing TDs, 4 more than the next worst team. Worst in the league! The Titans gave up only 5 by comparison as the leagues best vs Run scoring. Bills gave up 121 Rushing 1st downs, again worst in the league. By comparison, the Vikings only gave up 59 Rushing 1st downs and were the leagues best. 4th worst in Yards surrendered at 1994 yds for the year and 4th worst average of 125 ypg. Eagles were leagues best holding opposition to 75 ypg With a tougher schedule, a new QB and a new offense it's helpful they will run same scheme on D. I will be watching the SEP games to see if these 3 areas improve dramatically. If not, the season could get away from the team quickly with a brutal first 7 weeks (5 on the road). It appears McD and Beane saw these weaknesses and took action to correct these areas of concern. Edited June 27, 2018 by freddyjj spelling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blargo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 They had only given up 5 rushing TD's in the first 8 games. The second 1/2 of the season was not pretty in the Rush D for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Bortles looked like Barry Sanders 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, blargo said: They had only given up 5 rushing TD's in the first 8 games. The second 1/2 of the season was not pretty in the Rush D for sure. Wow was unaware of late season bias. Harrison Philips and Star are real steps up from the guys we had in there after trading Marcel Dareus. Thorton, Worthy and Washington were traffic pylons IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I'm excited to see out defense in action. Second year + some quality talent added should see all 3 areas above being significantly improved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 And ppl wonder why the big contract to Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, freddyjj said: So it's the time of year where nothing is happening in the league...except in Buffalo where The Process is still evolving. Was on the road yesterday and heard Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller on NFL Radio reviewing AFC East Defenses. As imagined they were not too kind to the Bills as our defense let us down at key times last year. Think NO run game and SD and NYJ passing games during mid-season losing streak. They mentioned 2 areas for improvement on D: Pass Rush - we were 4th worst in league with only 27 sacks. it is amazing that the McD /Frasier D schemed up as many picks as we got given the poor pressure generated. Bringing in Trent Murphy to come around the RT is part of the process. Keeping Lorenzo around might also be a way to generate pressure. Would be interesting to see if they drop Shaq inside on obvious passing downs to help get pressure? If he can't do that it could spell the end for him in BUF. STD Rush package Murphy-Star-Kyle-Jerry. Rotation pkg Shaq-Harry-Washington-Yarborough. I would also offer the Greyhound pkg- Zo-Murphy-Shaq-Jerry on 3rd and long or obvious passing downs. 3rd and long - per Kirwan the Bills were 2nd to last in this stat in getting off the field in 3rd and 7 or longer allowing opponents to convert almost 30% of the time. The lack of pressure and our poor LB coverage were the main culprits. McD went to a nickel package with Johnson playing in lieu of Zo for back half of season. Even then Brown and Humber were often exposed by an empty backfield or 13 formations. Having Edmunds and Milano as Nickel LBs and drafting 2 DBs and signing 2 more should help here. Rushing Defense - This is my pet peeve. Wonder why they signed Star ASAP and traded up for Edmunds? Check out this link... http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&tabSeq=2&season=2017&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&qualified=false The Bills were putrid on Run D. Some lowlights: Bills gave up 22 Rushing TDs, 4 more than the next worst team. Worst in the league! The Titans gave up only 5 by comparison as the leagues best vs Run scoring. Bills gave up 121 Rushing 1st downs, again worst in the league. By comparison, the Vikings only gave up 59 Rushing 1st downs and were the leagues best. 4th worst in Yards surrendered at 1994 yds for the year and 4th worst average of 125 ypg. Eagles were leagues best holding opposition to 75 ypg With a tougher schedule, a new QB and a new offense it's helpful they will run same scheme on D. I will be watching the SEP games to see if these 3 areas improve dramatically. If not, the season could get away from the team quickly with a brutal first 7 weeks (5 on the road). It appears McD and Beane saw these weaknesses and took action to correct these areas of concern. Fixing 1 and 3 will fix 2. 16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: And ppl wonder why the big contract to Star Hope he lives up to his contract and his first name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, jr1 said: Bortles looked like Barry Sanders That’s funny. And sad. And true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 46 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: And ppl wonder why the big contract to Star Solid point, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, freddyjj said: Wow was unaware of late season bias. Harrison Philips and Star are real steps up from the guys we had in there after trading Marcel Dareus. Thorton, Worthy and Washington were traffic pylons IMHO. The numbers rebounded a bit after the 3 game sked but that also coincided with Milano returning to being a starter and a slightly easier stretch of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, blargo said: They had only given up 5 rushing TD's in the first 8 games. The second 1/2 of the season was not pretty in the Rush D for sure. ....frustratingly, the defense exhibits bi-polarism going back to the Pettine days...one week, they were the Rock of Gibraltar......and the next week they were more porous than WikiLeaks......and uncanny how the 3rd down has perennially be the "down from hell" defensively....opposition looks at 3rd and 18 as "third and short" smoking our azz with a TE pass down the seam for an easy 1st down....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 This years Defense should be much improved frol last years. The new additions and second year in this Defense. Can’t wait to see them play. If our offense improves also we should be back In The playoffs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 areas....D-line LB'ers Secondary Pretty much sums it up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, blargo said: They had only given up 5 rushing TD's in the first 8 games. The second 1/2 of the season was not pretty in the Rush D for sure. I wonder why that could be.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Sacks Ints stopping the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The rush defense should be drastically improved. And the 3rd down conversion % should go down some. I still don't see us getting more than 30 sacks. We were pathetic getting to the qb last year and it's a testament to the secondary for the int's they did get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 hours ago, jr1 said: Bortles looked like Barry Sanders Really? I did not see him make multiple plays which result in loss of yards in backfield. 1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said: I wonder why that could be.... Since that included games when he did not play not directly related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) i think we have 3 double digit sack guys this year with murphy, hughes and lorax over 10. i expect another 10+ between eddie , shaq and blitzing. that should make the 2ndary top 3 or at least top 5 in picks..... ypg avg rush...80. Edited June 28, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Lorenzo Alexander is 47 yrs old. I wouldn’t expect much out of him this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: And ppl wonder why the big contract to Star Its not that big . i have seen it, But he is very hard to move off the ball. This is big part of the immediate fix effort against the run. I will admit i have faith in what Bills have done to address the D line of scrimmage 1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said: i think we have 3 double digit sack guys this year with murphy, hughes and lorax over 10. i expect another 10+ between eddie , shaq and blitzing. that should make the 2ndary top 3 or at least top 5 in picks..... ypg avg rush...80. hmm. dd sack guys? thats a stout reversal from last year 17 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Lorenzo Alexander is 47 yrs old. I wouldn’t expect much out of him this year as long as he pees clean ? Never you mind about Lorax. if he is used correctly with and improved Line ? I think he might have us cheering again. taking the over with Lorenzo as a situational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Three areas: 1. LINE 2. LINEBACKERS 3. SECONDARY Seriously. You think McD isn't telling EVERY PLAYER to improve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 He did change up a rather decent secondary already. which i felt was a strength ? continuous improvement aint no BS with these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 49 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Its not that big . i have seen it, But he is very hard to move off the ball. This is big part of the immediate fix effort against the run. I will admit i have faith in what Bills have done to address the D line of scrimmage hmm. dd sack guys? thats a stout reversal from last year as long as he pees clean ? Never you mind about Lorax. if he is used correctly with and improved Line ? I think he might have us cheering again. taking the over with Lorenzo as a situational I think this all plays into McDs philosophy of defense and what I saw with my eyes last year when marcel did not play the line of scrimmage moved and not In our favor Adolph Washington is a weak interior guy for his size and it showed the los is not going to move this year and horrible Harry just solidified it even more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Our defense will be Top 3 this year!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 #4. Not having to be on the field 80% of the game because the offense goes 3 & out every drive. That alone will allow the defense to perform much better in all areas. There were times the defense just made a crucial 3rd down stop after the opposing offense marched down the field taking 7 mins off the clock, giving us life. By the time they took off their helmets, got a drink, and were about to finally get some much-needed rest, the offense was already trotting back to the sideline before the defense ever caught their breath! They'd be thrown right back out into the fire, exhausted & beat up, while the offense still hadn't broken in a sweat yet. Maybe not leading the league in 3 & outs will improve our defense by default. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 14 hours ago, John from Riverside said: And ppl wonder why the big contract to Star Trouble against the run doesn’t mean that you significantly overpay someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I think this all plays into McDs philosophy of defense and what I saw with my eyes last year when marcel did not play the line of scrimmage moved and not In our favor Adolph Washington is a weak interior guy for his size and it showed the los is not going to move this year and horrible Harry just solidified it even more I feel good about the front 4 rotation. just a feeling of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Maybe not leading the league in 3 & outs will improve our defense by default. i'm expecting a dramatic improvement here. i think this will be because we start moving the chains more on 1st and second downs meaning we will get more 1st downs as a result instead of constant 3rd and longs. i think passing on 1st and more so 2nd downs will really help drives this year........intead of run, run and hope tyrod makes a play with his legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 You're focusing on the wrong side of the ball. Our D doesn't have to do anything if we don't have a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 18 hours ago, blargo said: They had only given up 5 rushing TD's in the first 8 games. The second 1/2 of the season was not pretty in the Rush D for sure. When was Dareus traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blargo Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, CSBill said: When was Dareus traded? Oct 27th just before Week 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Trouble against the run doesn’t mean that you significantly overpay someone. Its only overpayment if he under performs Star was one of the top DT's in the free agent market and a key component of what makes McD's defense go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 hours ago, BigDingus said: #4. Not having to be on the field 80% of the game because the offense goes 3 & out every drive. That alone will allow the defense to perform much better in all areas. There were times the defense just made a crucial 3rd down stop after the opposing offense marched down the field taking 7 mins off the clock, giving us life. By the time they took off their helmets, got a drink, and were about to finally get some much-needed rest, the offense was already trotting back to the sideline before the defense ever caught their breath! They'd be thrown right back out into the fire, exhausted & beat up, while the offense still hadn't broken in a sweat yet. Maybe not leading the league in 3 & outs will improve our defense by default. I think those are fixes for NEXT year This year especially at the beginning and especially if we play rookie Josh Allen (who could end up being great) I envision a run the ball.....keep it simple....protect the rookie QB offense which means we are going to see 3 and outs and playing field position. The D is going to have to shoulder the lion share of the load....i think that is a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Fadingpain said: You're focusing on the wrong side of the ball. Our D doesn't have to do anything if we don't have a QB. i know, i wish we drafted somebody! C'MON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Its only overpayment if he under performs Star was one of the top DT's in the free agent market and a key component of what makes McD's defense go. We may have outbid ourselves on that one. Because he won’t put up numbers of a personal nature what overall defensive ranking will let me know that he is worth the investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 21 hours ago, blacklabel said: Solid point, sir. Wonder why they signed Star ASAP IS STAR really anything more than a warm body? 5 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: Wonder why they signed Star ASAP IS STAR really anything more than a warm body? https://www.catscratchreader.com/2018/3/5/17075718/is-nfl-carolina-panthers-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-worth-4-years-40-million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: We may have outbid ourselves on that one. Because he won’t put up numbers of a personal nature what overall defensive ranking will let me know that he is worth the investment? That is simple Better numbers defensively against the run Better numbers by the linebackers playing behind him If your DT's are not holding the line of scrimmage then your linebackers get blocked and bad things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Trouble against the run doesn’t mean that you significantly overpay someone. Bad contract THE PROCESS. I motion for mods to mandate every OP has to include THE PROCESS. Let's create Bills propoganda on TBD. 26 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: Wonder why they signed Star ASAP IS STAR really anything more than a warm body? https://www.catscratchreader.com/2018/3/5/17075718/is-nfl-carolina-panthers-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-worth-4-years-40-million He was.. in the rotation for the Panthers last year. Sorta like we had Adolphus "rotating in" is Adolphus a bust? Though he was gonna be a solid player. But that draft looks really bad now. Scheme shouldn't stop players from displaying talent if they're for real. Edited June 28, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 22 hours ago, blargo said: They had only given up 5 rushing TD's in the first 8 games. The second 1/2 of the season was not pretty in the Rush D for sure. Didn't New Orleans rush for 13 TDs in that one game alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: That is simple Better numbers defensively against the run Better numbers by the linebackers playing behind him If your DT's are not holding the line of scrimmage then your linebackers get blocked and bad things happen. What does better numbers mean specifically? If the defense improves by .05 yards per rushing attempt would that make him with the price of admission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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