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13 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Sammy just never got it going here in Buffalo and I think it was the right decision to move him when they did.  I'm not going to take anything away from him, he is a talented receiver and has a high ceiling, but with his injury issues, and the price it was going to cost to keep him, getting that 2nd rounder and Gaines was the right move by McBeane.  I think that foot injury is going to plague him his entire career.  Those foot injuries just never seem to get better.

 

Julio Jones says hello.

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7 hours ago, Magox said:

 

I guess all the other true #1's in this league don't get doubled all the time despite their much better statistics.

 

The serial habitual defenders and constant excuse givers of his failures are specially astounding given that he is quite the selfish ass.  He has no personality or charisma, he's dumb as a rock, he never endeared himself to the fanbase, he was a crappy teammate, he never ever came close to living up to where we drafted him yet his defenders trip over themselves to constantly provide excuses for all his failings. 

 

Seems odd to me ?

He's the third highest paid WR in the league. A perennial good team with a great coach just decided to pay him that much. He's still only 25. McVay said a lot of teams offered him a lot of money. Money talks in this league. 

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I will admit that I may be letting my dislike of Sam the person get in the way of my respect for Sam the player.  However, the great WRs in the history of the game were all doubled.  They all had to play the decoy role.  But they also still got their numbers if they were really the #1 guy on their team.

 

But Sam didn't even crack 600 yards.  He caught just over half of the balls thrown to him.  The "he was doubled," excuse can't be used forever.  The great WRs STILL catch the ball.

 

Kupp and Woods both outperformed him.  They each had more yards/game.  More total yards.  And each caught about 65% of their targets.

 

If Sam was their #1 and the success of the passing game is a big part of what made the Rams so good, then Sam would still be on the Rams, come hell or high water.

 

They wanted to keep him. Read the article I linked above.  They just decided that because of the offense they run, combined with the fact they are going have to pay Donald and Gurley and their DBs and others big contracts they couldn't afford 16m a year other teams were offering. 

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13 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I see nothing wrong with what he said....

I agree, the headline  is a little self-serving by the Rams they also admit in the article that " it’s clear the Rams weren’t willing to pay him as much as the Chiefs were".  So the Chiefs offered two things (young qb to grow with AND $) while the Rams offered one.

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13 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s kinda of pathetic the way some fans hate on ex Bills.  Sammy got traded.  He played with garbage qbs and we never invested in getting him the ball.  Some Bills think he is garbage yet good offensive coach kept bringing him in.

 

id feel a lot better about Allen if we had Watkins.  Maybe we can get Jordan Matthews back. 

Haha.  Yeah, if Woods was the number 1 receiver and drew number 1 cbs, he would be dominate. Are people serious with this?

 

and say what you want to about Whaley but we had a receiving core of Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, & Clay.  With a good QBs, that’s one of the best in the entire nfl and we just wasted it.

Number 1 receivers dominate whether they are double covered or draw the best corners.

 

Did Sanu have more production thanJulio Jones?

Did  Ross produce more than AJ Green?

Did Smith Schuster produce more than Antonio brown?

Did Devante Parker produce more than Landry?

 

Real number 1 receivers draw the tough assignments and PRODUCE better numbers than the number 2 and 3 receivers on the depth chart..

 

I don’t even think Landry is a real number 1, it’s just to further my point.

 

About the contract KC gave him?

 

I personally think it’s ridiculous.

 

They are of course paying for his high potential that he hasn’t reached in his 4 years so far.

 

No one has ever doubted his talents. He just can’t consistently produce, and on top of it, he is a headcase and he’s selfish.

 

There is a reason why he will be on his third team in 5 years 

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1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He's the third highest paid WR in the league. A perennial good team with a great coach just decided to pay him that much. He's still only 25. McVay said a lot of teams offered him a lot of money. Money talks in this league. 

 

We paid Dareus $100 million. Big contracts don't always work out. I am not surprised he got a big contract, it only takes one team out of 32 willing to overpay. But he's getting paid for potential. For multiple reasons his raw talent has not matched his production. Andy Reid probably believes he can maximize his potential and maybe he will. But I wouldn't want to be the team taking the risk.

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15 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There was a report last week that Watkins has worked his ass off and picked up Andy Reid's complex offense faster than anyone had ever seen before, those that had been with Reid a long time.

 

Riiight. Those offseason stories are always really true. Given that he has several seasons of history of not being that impressive...I'm gonna go with history.

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16 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This is all about him looking forward to developing with Mahomes.  Not sure how you're spinning this into anything negative regarding his time in LA with the Rams and Goff.  Total non story in that regard. 

 

EXACTLY!!!

 

The OP is literally spinning this story to a negative in a biased view of Sammy.  He didn't say he didn't have that in LA, he said thats what he was looking for in any new team he chose.  He repeated stated he wanted to stay in LA, however, they were not even close to what KC was offering.  OP wrote this to imply the reason he left was to find a good HC and good young QB...which was not remotely the case of why he left.  He left LA for KC because they both offered him a boat load of money and had a situation he liked with strong staff and young promising QB.

 

Complete non-story being spun to mean something it doesn't.

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3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He's the third highest paid WR in the league. A perennial good team with a great coach just decided to pay him that much. He's still only 25. McVay said a lot of teams offered him a lot of money. Money talks in this league. 

 

 

I don't want to foray fully into this argument as I think Sammy is a very good player.  I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is but who cares about that.

 

Sam Bradford repeatedly gets paid even though he has proven he is made of glass.  I think Sammy got paid what he did just as much on who he was at the 4th overall pick as he did for how good he actually is.  His lack of production last year should be concerning.  Not enough to say he is terrible but he didn't produce and really hasn't produced much in the NFL yet consistently.  He still has potential and is only 25 but the contract was given (imo) for what they think he will be not what he is or has been.  His reputation as the 4th overall pick with a multitude of excuses for his lack of production led to his contract.

 

I think KC is a great place for him though.  He can't be doubled there as there are certifiable game breakers in Hill, Hunt, and Kelce already.  Mahomes has been set up for success it will be interesting to see how he does.  Watkins too no more excuses.

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16 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Some fans need to convince themselves Sammy sucks and the Bills are better off without him. 

 

Meanwhile the Bills WR corps was atrocious without him and still looks to be an overall bad unit with 0 speed and ability to separate. 

i don't think this is the case at all.  i think many fans knew sammy's time here was limited, and that they should at least get something in return from moving on from him.  it's a tough decision, but i think the bills ended up making a right one.  no way would i want this team to spend the money kc did on sammy.  not that sammy's not potentially a great receiver, but i'd like to see him play like one first before giving him that kind of cash.  that being said, good for him for getting paid.

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1 minute ago, section122 said:

 

I don't want to foray fully into this argument as I think Sammy is a very good player.  I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is but who cares about that.

 

Sam Bradford repeatedly gets paid even though he has proven he is made of glass.  I think Sammy got paid what he did just as much on who he was at the 4th overall pick as he did for how good he actually is.  His lack of production last year should be concerning.  Not enough to say he is terrible but he didn't produce and really hasn't produced much in the NFL yet consistently.  He still has potential and is only 25 but the contract was given (imo) for what they think he will be not what he is or has been.  His reputation as the 4th overall pick with a multitude of excuses for his lack of production led to his contract.

 

I think KC is a great place for him though.  He can't be doubled there as there are certifiable game breakers in Hill, Hunt, and Kelce already.  Mahomes has been set up for success it will be interesting to see how he does.  Watkins too no more excuses.

It just feels really good to give Sam money.  One GM speaking anonymously said it was euphoric and compared it to heroin.  I Venmo'd Sam $25 last Thursday and I still feel amazing.  You should try it.

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1 hour ago, section122 said:

 

I don't want to foray fully into this argument as I think Sammy is a very good player.  I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is but who cares about that.

 

Sam Bradford repeatedly gets paid even though he has proven he is made of glass.  I think Sammy got paid what he did just as much on who he was at the 4th overall pick as he did for how good he actually is.  His lack of production last year should be concerning.  Not enough to say he is terrible but he didn't produce and really hasn't produced much in the NFL yet consistently.  He still has potential and is only 25 but the contract was given (imo) for what they think he will be not what he is or has been.  His reputation as the 4th overall pick with a multitude of excuses for his lack of production led to his contract.

 

I think KC is a great place for him though.  He can't be doubled there as there are certifiable game breakers in Hill, Hunt, and Kelce already.  Mahomes has been set up for success it will be interesting to see how he does.  Watkins too no more excuses.

It's really all about Mahomes. With Hunt, Kelce, Hill and Watkins they have a ton of weapons. I don't think anyone in the world knows if Mahomes is going to be great, very good, good or not so good this year, his first. I watched him a lot in college. I think they are going to score a lot and he is going to make a lot of plays that drives Andy Reid insane. That's not really going out on a limb of course. But the interesting thing to me is how Reid handles it.

 

If he neuters Mahomes, which to me would be a huge mistake. Reid is going from a careful, mistake conscious Smith, to a wildly erratic but wildly explosive Mahomes. The Cheifs are going to be one of the interesting teams to watch this year. 

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24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think they made a mistake not picking up his team option.

 

Him and Tyrod had chemistry and was poised for a big year with him last season, IMO.

 

And I disagree. He played like one in 2015 before hurting his foot. 

 

Why wouldnt you pay him if he had a big year last season? We have the cap and you pay playmakers. 

Yikes. You couldn’t even build a team of Lincoln Logs. 

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21 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think they made a mistake not picking up his team option.

 

Him and Tyrod had chemistry and was poised for a big year with him last season, IMO.

 

And I disagree. He played like one in 2015 before hurting his foot. 

 

Why wouldnt you pay him if he had a big year last season? We have the cap and you pay playmakers. 

you and badol love to throw this out.  i respect the opinion, but it's trying far too hard to justify possibly keeping him.  both were ok last year, but some how bringing them together was going to ignite the greatest show on turf 2.0.  it's possible but i think it's more unlikely and a stretch.

 

ok.  so the bills pick up his option and he has another average year.  he hits fa and leaves.  you'd be one of the first posters blasting this team for letting him walk for nothing.  say they bills pick up his option and he has a good year.  he likely chooses to hit the market, (i can't imagine the bills giving him a monster contract) the bills are outbid, and he walks for nothing.  these are two very likely scenarios.  the rams traded a 2 for him as still didn't want to hand out a large pay day.  

 

the only way the bills would have paid him huge was if he had an elite type year, and with tyrod at qb, it was very unlikely.  you can cling to those stretches of games in 2015, but that just hasn't been repeated.

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18 hours ago, Rigotz said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/12/nfl-los-angeles-rams-sammy-watkins-chiefs-free-agency-patrick-mahomes-jared-goff/amp/

 

Didn’t see this posted anywhere.

 

Sammy telling reporters he wants a “QB that he can grow with” and that’s why he picked KC. That’s coming from a team with Jared Goff at QB.

 

Kudos to the Bills for getting a 2nd rounder and Gaines for this guy, who certainly would have left in Free Agency and definitely has an attitude problem.

And Kudos to the Bills for trading way up to get him in the first place, right?

 

I mean most around here loved it when it happened and hated it when he was traded off the team.

 

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2 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

And Kudos to the Bills for trading way up to get him in the first place, right?

 

I mean most around here loved it when it happened and hated it when he was traded off the team.

 

:lol:

 

Your recollection is way different than mine. People were not happy about giving up the extra 1st.

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10 hours ago, Lfod said:

I like the idea of Kelvin Benjamin. I like the idea of a big target. That hit he took to his leg that injured him made me think that being a big target can be a bad thing in some situations. I hope he doesn't frequently take shots that will cause injury because he is a big target is what I'm saying. 

 

The other guys I hope make a name for themselves in the WR core. You say JK but even if your kidding I wouldn't disagree with you. I'd kick the tires on Sammy again considering the situation. 

 

The only thing about Sammy Watkins that bugs me is what Buffalo spent to get him and the end result. I'm not looking to blame Sammy for the end result. So to me regulardless of the causing factor the situation was mismanaged. The team spent to get a #1 WR and didn't turn him into one. That is the only thing that I don't like about the Sammy situation.

 

So when I say I didn't hear anything about  Sammy Watkins hasn't doing anything to make me regret the team moving on I say it without a bias against him. If he lights it up and gets that posotive media chatter then I will be inclined to think possibly Buffalo could of gotten that out of him if it was managed better at the time. 

 

I still think the Dareus as far as players that hurt the team always wins. 

 

KB fills a niche need very very well. and i consider him an asset. Just do not ask too much of him. last year he was put in a very tough spot indeed. Hope that has all been made good for this coming season.

 Beane identified him as a great red zone threat. again i go back to Bills wanting to have Receivers who can , as a group check all the boxes.

 

Back to Sammy Watkins.
Maybe immature but hell of a natural talent.

Was always my opinion his ankle injuries were sorely mismanaged for whatever reason . I have some conspiracy theories about Marrone as well and his bizarre relations with Whaley and Brandon and EJ Manuel.
 

But after leaving he has not shown what he honestly was capable of early in his career.

 Can he ever return to Clemson form? and man he made some Amazing catches for Bills.
wish it had gone differently.
But that ship has sailed for Watkins and Buffalo i expect. 

 

 a darned shame it was

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8 hours ago, wppete said:

Watkins just seems a little off. Great player when healthy though. 

and i think that was Buffalo's issue with giving him the option. let us not forget this was a business decision. He was a high risk to fulfill his next contract if with the Bills.

Smart move.

Robert W. was going to get paid as well. Business decision. I bet they honestly liked his work ethic and passion. who plays a whole season at WR with a groin !!

 business decisions are no reason to talk poorly about why Sammy was not kept.
Wish both those guys well !

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11 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

KB fills a niche need very very well. and i consider him an asset. Just do not ask too much of him. last year he was put in a very tough spot indeed. Hope that has all been made good for this coming season.

 Beane identified him as a great red zone threat. again i go back to Bills wanting to have Receivers who can , as a group check all the boxes.

 

Back to Sammy Watkins.
Maybe immature but hell of a natural talent.

Was always my opinion his ankle injuries were sorely mismanaged for whatever reason . I have some conspiracy theories about Marrone as well and his bizarre relations with Whaley and Brandon and EJ Manuel.
 

But after leaving he has not shown what he honestly was capable of early in his career.

 Can he ever return to Clemson form? and man he made some Amazing catches for Bills.
wish it had gone differently.
But that ship has sailed for Watkins and Buffalo i expect. 

 

 a darned shame it was

I think some ex players of the Bills get some benefit of the doubt. When your thrust into a situation with little or no foundation it might decrease a players chance for success. Players like Sammy and Tyrod.

 

Then you got guys like Dareus who check out and you know it's on them. Then you got guys like Shady who is elite enough to still get some production on a sub par offense. 

 

As next season progresses we will have more evidence to speculate on. It's good fun. 

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11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Watkins was just one of an endless list of players the Bills misused. Hopefully such asshattery is in the past under McBeane.

painfully and admittedly

 my perception as well.

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5 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Do some research and stop regurgitating the same ole takes. Go back and look at Watkins production against top tier cornerbacks. Get back to me.

 

Great take. I blame Sammy. Not EJ, not Orton, not Tyrod, not Goff (who was worse than EJ as rookie).  

 

I trust bitter Bills fans’ opinions over McVay and Andy Reid.  Our offense easily replaced Sammy and was a lot of fun to watch last year.  I expect it to be even more exciting this year.  

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I never suggested the greatest show on turf. I think a 1000 plus yard season with 75 plus receptions would've been likely. As I said, him and Tyrod had chemistry and considering the other awful options at WR on the roster Watkins would've got his targets, something he didn't get in LA. 

 

I agree this regime wouldn't have paid him. But then again I don't think this regime likes to pay receivers if Carolina is any indication. I guess I would say I just disagree with not paying him. He would certainly help our situation now in helping develop a young QB in Allen. 

Nah I'm fine. Ive watched Sammy play. He's good. Your takes aren't.?

Don't agree on this point.

 He was and inconsistent route runner. Never a timing WR was he.
Not as bad as Stevie bad along those same lines.

 He made plays after the ball was in the air. damned good one too.
This offense and young QBs likely need consistent play and depenadable route running more than  a playmaker to develop their craft.
 

I could be wrong with the last sentence because a playmaker could make a QB look better than he is. to me that is not honest development. that was chucking the ball and trusting your pass Catcher. Just like Tyrod was doing after Watkins " get me the ball " moment. He did and he did as well.

 

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37 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

KB fills a niche need very very well. and i consider him an asset. Just do not ask too much of him. last year he was put in a very tough spot indeed. Hope that has all been made good for this coming season.

 Beane identified him as a great red zone threat. again i go back to Bills wanting to have Receivers who can , as a group check all the boxes.

 

Back to Sammy Watkins.
Maybe immature but hell of a natural talent.

Was always my opinion his ankle injuries were sorely mismanaged for whatever reason . I have some conspiracy theories about Marrone as well and his bizarre relations with Whaley and Brandon and EJ Manuel.
 

But after leaving he has not shown what he honestly was capable of early in his career.

 Can he ever return to Clemson form? and man he made some Amazing catches for Bills.
wish it had gone differently.
But that ship has sailed for Watkins and Buffalo i expect. 

 

 a darned shame it was

When Sammy left, he had similar numbers to Julio at the same stages of their career.  And I don’t think we had exactly had Matt Ryan throwing him the ball.

 

i think people forget how receiver is the most dependent position in football.  ODell Beckham isn’t the same player if the Bills draft him and he’s plays in our high school offenses.

 

our offense looks like it is going to be really bad. It was bad last year.  We have zero speed.  

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5 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

And Kudos to the Bills for trading way up to get him in the first place, right?

 

I mean most around here loved it when it happened and hated it when he was traded off the team.

 

:lol:

Most did NOT love it. Some even loathed the pick. 
we hoped it was a great move.
 

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6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Great take. I blame Sammy. Not EJ, not Orton, not Tyrod, not Goff (who was worse than EJ as rookie).  

 

I trust bitter Bills fans’ opinions over McVay and Andy Reid.  Our offense easily replaced Sammy and was a lot of fun to watch last year.  I expect it to be even more exciting this year.  

CTE?

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1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

Don't agree on this point.

 He was and inconsistent route runner. Never a timing WR was he.
Not as bad as Stevie bad along those same lines.

 He made plays after the ball was in the air. damned good one too.
This offense and young QBs likely need consistent play and depenadable route running more than  a playmaker to develop their craft.
 

I could be wrong with the last sentence because a playmaker could make a QB look better than he is. to me that is not honest development. that was chucking the ball and trusting your pass Catcher. Just like Tyrod was doing after Watkins " get me the ball " moment. He did and he did as well.

 

We didn’t use him right.  Sammy was amazing in college at screens and slants. We Rarely threw those to him.  Stupid Miami feeds Landry, a guy a lot less physically talented than Sammy, the ball.  

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I think some ex players of the Bills get some benefit of the doubt. When your thrust into a situation with little or no foundation it might decrease a players chance for success. Players like Sammy and Tyrod.

 

Then you got guys like Dareus who check out and you know it's on them. Then you got guys like Shady who is elite enough to still get some production on a sub par offense. 

 

As next season progresses we will have more evidence to speculate on. It's good fun. 

it IS good fune my friend for sure. I like your attitude

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

When Sammy left, he had similar numbers to Julio at the same stages of their career.  And I don’t think we had exactly had Matt Ryan throwing him the ball.

 

i think people forget how receiver is the most dependent position in football.  ODell Beckham isn’t the same player if the Bills draft him and he’s plays in our high school offenses.

 

our offense looks like it is going to be really bad. It was bad last year.  We have zero speed.  

We have some. More importantly i sure hope we have someone who can actually catch the ball on a fly or go route. One on one coverage will happen : )

 and our fast guy can stay healthy. Should we talk about Glass Goodwind or Jump Catch whatever his name was Nix found for the Bills.
Catch and or YAC and i will be delighted regardless of 40 times.

 agree about dependent position
 there is another argument about sack stat between Hughes and Lawson last year.

Team game.

WRs need to put the ball away and move the markers. just do that and leave the rest to play calling.

Try to feel better about the Off Biscuit , please ?

 I feel you , but tis the off  season and hope should be plentiful about now !

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

We didn’t use him right.  Sammy was amazing in college at screens and slants. We Rarely threw those to him.  Stupid Miami feeds Landry, a guy a lot less physically talented than Sammy, the ball.  

 

 

no question. I recall most of us yelling all season 'Get him  some damned space to run with it "

 He is the king of YAC in College. using the  plays you just mentioned

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Jared Goff improved over last season, sure. But Gurley ran the show. Gurley runs that offense so who cares what Watkins says about Goff as he's implying more about working with his new QB. It's not like he's saying this leaving the Packers. 

 

Todd Gurley had 788 yards receiving and we'd be griping about Goff checking down too much. 

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1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Jared Goff improved over last season, sure. But Gurley ran the show. Gurley runs that offense so who cares what Watkins says about Goff as he's implying more about working with his new QB. It's not like he's saying this leaving the Packers. 

 

Todd Gurley had 788 yards receiving and we'd be griping about Goff checking down too much. 

Gurley 12.6 YPR

Davante Adams 12.0 YPR

 

Not exactly checking down.

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29 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Gurley 12.6 YPR

Davante Adams 12.0 YPR

 

Not exactly checking down.

I watched every game. The vast majority of the passes he caught were swing passes or dump offs, and then he either had a huge lane and/or he made great runs and broke tackles or made guys miss. It's not like they were sending him out on 15-20 yard patterns very often or even targeted him that much. McVay ran an incredible offense.

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1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I watched every game. The vast majority of the passes he caught were swing passes or dump offs, and then he either had a huge lane and/or he made great runs and broke tackles or made guys miss. It's not like they were sending him out on 15-20 yard patterns very often or even targeted him that much. McVay ran an incredible offense.

I watched the Rams as well, the previous poster said people would complain about checking down. No one in their right mind complains about that kind of efficiency. Yes, McVay is a wizard. 

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Gurley's the second leading receiver for Goff that year. And he deserved the targets was an absolute stud. But he's getting YAC on passing plays when he's not being the Rams bell cow on carries, he's not lining up out wide and running corner routes lol. Call it whatever you want, not a checkdown.. sure, it's a short pass to your best player for some easy yards. Good on Goff and McVay for getting that done. Pretty sure Watkins is okay with a QB looking his way more often and not being a rental WR.

41 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Gurley 12.6 YPR

Davante Adams 12.0 YPR

 

Not exactly checking down.

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