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1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it?

Hey may not have deleted it himself. It may have been removed.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Are the potentially far reaching consequences of criminal acts just dawning upon you?

 

Using a horrible moment from Bennett's life?  Interesting take.

I understood his saying a "horrible moment from a person's life" to be about the victim.

Which Graham is using. Maybe she isn't happy to be used as a pawn here. Maybe she would prefer that the events of that time of her life are not dredged up 20 years later by a wierdo reporter in this context. 

 

Unless he asked her. Do you suppose Tim Graham asked her? 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Are you familiar with Timmy's posting history here, and infamous tweeting? It's more reacting than thinking.

Nope I am not. Thanks.

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4 hours ago, stony said:

Interesting.  Pretty sure he started at ESPN around 08/09.  TG has noted he turned down another contract at ESPN to return to the BN.  

 

You're right, he started ESPN in '08, left in '11. It's possible they chose not to renew his contract. 

 

Either way, all this parading around trying to be some kinda "voice for justice" or whatever is crap. Nobody's perfect, everyone has red flags in some regard. It'd be nice if people just worried about themselves and what they can do to be better person or what they can do to provide more value to society. Pointing out every little thing they find offensive or trying to defend people/cultures that aren't asking you to defend them isn't really helping things in this current social climate. And this is just a general statement, has nothing to do with what Timmy thinks of Vic getting a photo with butthole Biscuit.

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3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

That is one ignorant mother !@#$er.

 

 

 

He said woke. Thats a douchebag phrase.

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Are you familiar with Timmy's posting history here, and infamous tweeting? It's more reacting than thinking.

 

Now i wanna go see if the TG meltdown thread is still in the archives. Good stuff,good stuff.

 

And i had absolutely nothing to do with TG leaving. My username was nowhere near that thread at the time.?

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6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Thanks for sharing your back-story on those comments

 

I agree, I respect Tim Graham as a feature writer - very high quality stuff - and do not respect how he engages on social media, including what I saw of him here since 2008 (that being when I joined)

 

Edit: rereading what I wrote, it was a genuine expression of surprise - is this guy exercising an elaborate leg-pull or is it legit? But in hindsight I can see it could have been taken as snarky, so Kudos! to you for providing a genuine answer to a genuine expression of surprise.

 

I didn't interpret your initial comment as snarky at all. And I can see how you linked it to the Brandon thing with how recent that is and also Whaley, who we know took a little heat for passing around inappropriate emails when he was with the Steelers. 

 

There are reports out there of male ESPN employees openly watching porn and other inappropriate videos while at work with like, zero awareness or respect for others in the workplace. Some guys were also reprimanded for keeping a "hot list" consisting of female coworkers. I can buy that, too, considering all the sweeping changes and exits made at ESPN over the last year, year and a half. Hell, Chris Berman recently found himself in hot water for sending a threatening email to Jemele Hill. So, knowing that, it makes the crap I saw about Tim a while back plausible because it seems like when he was there, ESPN had a much different atmosphere.

 

And the social media interactions these guys do, ugh, but some of them are genuinely good guys to talk to. Joe B, Matt Fairburn, Sal C, those guys are generally pretty responsive over social media. For a time, I was considering starting a football blog of my own so I reached out to a number of local sportswriters in Buffalo. Joe B actually offered to meet with me and after a few schedule changes, we sat down and talked football/media/writing for about an hour. I received detailed responses to my questions from Fairburn (extremely nice and exceptionally hardworking cat), Sal C (also incredibly nice and hardworking, really does his homework to make sure what he shares is based in fact), heck, even got a response from Sal M, who reminds me a bit of a grumpy uncle, but honestly, he came off very nice and shared solid advice. People give him crap a lot, but IMO, the guy is nearly 30+ years into his career, I think he's just feeling burnout and at times his writing will reflect that. But some other media personalities choose to act entitled and arrogant and come off as if they're the only link between the fans and the team, which is definitely not the case anymore.

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16 minutes ago, mob16151 said:

 

 

He said woke. Thats a douchebag phrase.

 

 

Woke makes him a douche.  Everything else makes him an ignorant mother !@#$er.

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1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it?

 

 

...TT...Typical Timmy........heard from connections in Buffalo that this clown can be a nasty vindictive turd when he has an axe to grind......many connections think he has been the "leaker" for quite some time.......including his alleged hatred for the now deposed Brandon.....

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4 hours ago, Lurker said:

Interesting thought:  Couldn't TG's criticism of Vic being in the picture with Bennett extend to Jimbo inviting him in the first place?   

 

That is a possibility, but it brings me back to this:  Tim Graham is an excellent writer who can (like most excellent writers) use words very precisely to convey his intended meanings.

I would find it hard to believe Graham would say "Strange to see my coworker with his arm around a convicted rapist"  if what he meant was something like "Strange to see the Kellys invite a convicted rapist to their event"

 

4 hours ago, Lurker said:

If Corney's such menace to society and all-round moral scourge, why would a highly religious couple like Jim and Jill even associate with him?  

 

Lots of folks excuse behavior in former colleagues and friends that they'd sincerely deplore in people they don't know

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3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

......including his alleged hatred for the now deposed Brandon.....

Well, that could be any of a number of fans or interested bystanders as well.

 

"Major Strasser (Brandon) has been shot..........round up the usual suspects."

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2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

You seem to be kinda' grudgey about perceived offenses that seem far less severe..........like columnists with negative takes on a Bills organization that missed the playoffs for 17 straight years and hasn't had a home playoff game in nearly a quarter century.......for example.?

 

You seem a little....fixated upon my alleged "grudgyness"

 

Let's just point out that this IS a football discussion forum, where we discuss football issues....I think it would be mistaken to draw conclusions about anyone's general interests or the overall importance they assign to actions or events, based off what football-related topics they choose to discuss here.   However, that seems to be where you're going. 

 

Strange.

 

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it?

 

Perhaps he received a phone call from a lawyer.

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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

...   The choice of context a media figure makes for a call-out is relevant.  If nothing else, it influences the respect and access Graham has with those involved in the event, and influences reader perception of ... 

 

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You seem a little....fixated upon my alleged "grudgyness"

 

Let's just point out that this IS a football discussion forum, where we discuss football issues....I think it would be mistaken to draw conclusions about anyone's general interests or the overall importance they assign to actions or events, based off what football-related topics they choose to discuss here.   However, that seems to be where you're going. 

 

Strange.

what seems a bit strange is how the choice of context applies to one but doesn't to .......??

 

perception is influenced by what is written and how it is written and the lengths one may go to 

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10 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Well, that could be any of a number of fans or interested bystanders as well.

 

"Major Strasser (Brandon) has been shot..........round up the usual suspects."

 

...LMAO....I tipped my hour glass over to see how long a response like that would take...YOU WIN!!!.........:thumbsup:..

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8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You seem a little....fixated upon my alleged "grudgyness"

 

Let's just point out that this IS a football discussion forum, where we discuss football issues....I think it would be mistaken to draw conclusions about anyone's general interests or the overall importance they assign to actions or events, based off what football-related topics they choose to discuss here.   However, that seems to be where you're going. 

 

Strange.

 

 

Perhaps he received a phone call from a lawyer.

 

 

I thought your work in the Bucky/Sully thread was a bit self-serving Mr. Moderator.   You let pages of false narrative go on because you wanted to get your pound of flesh wrt your opinions of TBN writers.  The fixation is all yours though.   As evidenced in your pm's and following me in threads to edit my posts. :rolleyes:   

 

Good point about it probably being a phone call from a lawyer though.  Biscuit could sue Tim Graham for thousands............and then he could tell his side of the story again and see how the public reacts in 2018.   Go for it Biscuit.   Hapless thinks you have a case!   

 

 

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3 hours ago, john wawrow said:

 

i've been snarky since i joined this board many moons ago.

i am snarky to those whom i have little time for, given the things they've posted.

i've engaged plenty with people in "actual dialog."

in fact, i'm doing so now.

 

which is it? i don't think you're giving a "shout out to sports writer."

 

also never said i was all that important. in fact, i've often noted the opposite, given that my wife is a teacher.

and yet, you're the one that keeps mentioning me and my colleagues.

 

actually, it's credibility.

we get readers because we have established that one thing in our career. otherwise, i don't give two craps whether you like me.

 

jw

 

 

 

You're the exception to the rule... you've always participated on this board respectfully and haven't gotten defensive.  You haven't burned bridges, you have contacts within the team, and break actual stories.  You author articles that many people enjoy reading.  You don't have a "holier than thou" attitude towards criticism.

 

Other members of the Buffalo media act differently.

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Interesting that people are all over Graham for his mistake over what Bennett was convicted for.

 

Wonder if this same crowd held Kaepernick accountable when he stated that cops were murdering people. Define murder.

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16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I thought your work in the Bucky/Sully thread was a bit self-serving Mr. Moderator.   You let pages of false narrative go on because you wanted to get your pound of flesh wrt your opinions of TBN writers.  The fixation is all yours though.   As evidenced in your pm's and following me in threads to edit my posts. :rolleyes:  

 

It is not my job as a moderator to control the narrative or pronounce upon whether it's "true" or "false", only to try to keep the discussion within certain loose bounds of civility and football relevance.  

 

Inappropriate language such as insults to other posters will sometimes be edited and inappropriate posts removed by moderators.

 

I know as a long time poster here you surely know this, but since you seem determined to craft your own narrative of what's going on here, I'll put it out there.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it?

 

A lawyer, no doubt, told him to get rid of it. Won't matter. Biscuit can still sue. Then we'll see how 'woke' Timmah really is.

 

13 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Interesting that people are all over Graham for his mistake over what Bennett was convicted for.

 

It's not about the mistake. It's that he felt the need to do it at all. During a JK event. On the day it's announced JK is getting the Jimmy V award.

 

The fact that he incorrectly called him a convicted rapist just reminds everyone what a douchebag he is.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would find it hard to believe Graham would say "Strange to see my coworker with his arm around a convicted rapist"  if what he meant was something like "Strange to see the Kellys invite a convicted rapist to their event"

 

I agree.  I believe TG meant what he said.  So the real question is, "Why single out Vic?" 

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I thought your work in the Bucky/Sully thread was a bit self-serving Mr. Moderator.   You let pages of false narrative go on because you wanted to get your pound of flesh wrt your opinions of TBN writers.  The fixation is all yours though.   As evidenced in your pm's and following me in threads to edit my posts. :rolleyes:   

 

Good point about it probably being a phone call from a lawyer though.  Biscuit could sue Tim Graham for thousands............and then he could tell his side of the story again and see how the public reacts in 2018.   Go for it Biscuit.   Hapless thinks you have a case!   

 

 

Why don't you leave him alone? Why don't you drop the moderator talk? 

I know the pattern. You believe that taunting a moderator makes you look brave. And rebellious.  It makes you feel brave. Makes you smile.

 

While all the while you are essentially cowering behind the restraint he must have as a moderator.

 

You have been at this for at least days now. Goodness knows how long for real, I have only begun to notice for the last few days.

 

Next you will accuse me of kissing up to a moderator. I know how this story goes.

 

Just so you know, if it was up to me I would give you one clear warning to stop, And to not even go anywhere near doing what you are doing. To make no cute attempt to skirt the warning.

 

And then if you did it again I would kick you and your 11,000 posts out of here. Because that is probably where this will end anyways. No normal person carries on like you are.

 

Argue and debate if you want, but leave the moderator part completely out of it in word and in deed. That's my opinion. 

 

We now return to our regular schedule programming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Woke makes him a douche.  Everything else makes him an ignorant mother !@#$er.

 

 

54 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Inappropriate language such as insults to other posters will sometimes be edited and inappropriate posts removed by moderators.

 

 

 

You missed a few.  See the one up top?   Easy to understand why because you are also critical of Tim Grah.........I mean because it was such a LONG POST.    That's why you missed it.   Yep. :lol:    

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20 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Why don't you leave him alone? Why don't you drop the moderator talk? 

I know the pattern. You believe that taunting a moderator makes you look brave. And rebellious.  It makes you feel brave. Makes you smile.

 

While all the while you are essentially cowering behind the restraint he must have as a moderator.

 

You have been at this for at least days now. Goodness knows how long for real, I have only begun to notice for the last few days.

 

Next you will accuse me of kissing up to a moderator. I know how this story goes.

 

Just so you know, if it was up to me I would give you one clear warning to stop, And to not even go anywhere near doing what you are doing. To make no cute attempt to skirt the warning.

 

And then if you did it again I would kick you and your 11,000 posts out of here.

 

Because that is probably where this will end anyways. No normal person carries on like you are.

 

Argue and debate if you want, but leave the moderator part completely out of it in word and in deed. That's my opinion. 

 

We now return to our regular schedule programming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1)  Yeah, no actually.

 

2) Nope

 

3) Talk to Scott if you wannabe so empowered

 

4) Nope

 

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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

1)  Yeah, no actually.

 

2) Nope

 

3) Talk to Scott if you wannabe so empowered

 

4) Nope

 

1) Yeah you are

2) Ok

3) You didn't keep at it yet. Im hoping you stop :) But I would only want to be so empowered long enough to stop you. It's a very lousy job. I do not want it for longer than 5 minutes.

4) Good. 

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

 

You missed a few.  See the one up top?   Easy to understand why because you are also critical of Tim Grah.........I mean because it was such a LONG POST.    That's why you missed it.   Yep. :lol:    

 

I didn't try to get around the bad word filter, so I've done nothing wrong.  But report me, if you must. :wub:

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1 hour ago, Lurker said:

 

I agree.  I believe TG meant what he said.  So the real question is, "Why single out Vic?" 

if one looks at this without emotion. he might be calling on Sal's past.

 and making a serious move in regard to his knowledge of something particular to Sal.
 

What has Timmy so irked he threw such a large rock , certainly knowing the ripples ? He has the attention of nearly everyone now. Pegulas probably know of it by now.

 as mentioned , the venue, the timing, the allegation about Bennett being referenced half assedly .
dude is pissed about something for sure.

 and i think its conscious, deliberate and thought out.
we shall see.

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I didn't try to get around the bad word filter, so I've done nothing wrong.  But report me, if you must.

again?
 it gets tiring .


what was SDS' thread about ? Posters who are tedious and annoying and sleeping on His Couch?
yep that was me.
i have post partum issues still at 50 something years.

 consider all of you reported for the turn this thread took

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

if one looks at this without emotion. he might be calling on Sal's past.

 and making a serious move in regard to his knowledge of something particular to Sal.
 

What has Timmy so irked he threw such a large rock , certainly knowing the ripples ? He has the attention of nearly everyone now. Pegulas probably know of it by now.

 as mentioned , the venue, the timing, the allegation about Bennett being referenced half assedly .
dude is pissed about something for sure.

 and i think its conscious, deliberate and thought out.
we shall see.

again?
 it gets tiring .


what was SDS' thread about ? Posters who are tedious and annoying and sleeping on His Couch?
yep that was me.
i have post partum issues still at 50 something years.

 consider all of you reported for the turn this thread took

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

TBD really allowing quality posting these days.

 

 

Yeah Hap seemed to be conveniently.......intentionally?......... missing some of the obviously incendiary/violent takes and MF'ing from his side of the argument.

 

 

55 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I didn't try to get around the bad word filter, so I've done nothing wrong.  But report me, if you must. :wub:

 

I was getting edited for nothing even close to that because I wasn't on the "TG is an awful human being" side of the argument.

 

Just using a nearby, obvious illustration.    There were worse, as Jpsredemption illustrated.

 

Never reported anyone on TSW.    

 

These TBN threads bring out a lot of wannabe journalist killers it's nearly a given it will get ugly.

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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah Hap seemed to be conveniently.......intentionally?......... missing some of the obviously incendiary/violent takes and MF'ing from his side of the argument.

 

 

 

I was getting edited for nothing even close to that because I wasn't on the "TG is an awful human being" side of the argument.

 

Just using a nearby, obvious illustration.    There were worse, as Jpsredemption illustrated.

 

Never reported anyone on TSW.    

 

These TBN threads bring out a lot of wannabe journalist killers it's nearly a given it will get ugly.

 

They bring out a few people who like to advocate for journalists who overstep their bounds and hide behind a keyboard (different than us, because they are supposed to be professionals) to say something completely out of line at a completely inopportune time.  Tim Graham is a dick. He'a always been a dick.  He's always been a baby. He's always cried, then blocked people who disagree with him.  It's why he took his ball from TBD and went crying home  to Lori, I mean Mommy.  He's a hack and shame on anyone defending what he did to smear what was supposed to be a great event at an incredibly important time (Jimmy V announcement).  He's a puke.

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16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Yeah Hap seemed to be conveniently.......intentionally?......... missing some of the obviously incendiary/violent takes and MF'ing from his side of the argument.

 

I was getting edited for nothing even close to that because I wasn't on the "TG is an awful human being" side of the argument.

 

Just using a nearby, obvious illustration.    There were worse, as Jpsredemption illustrated.

 

Never reported anyone on TSW.    

 

These TBN threads bring out a lot of wannabe journalist killers it's nearly a given it will get ugly.

Quite the conspiracy theory.....

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6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Lots of folks excuse behavior in former colleagues and friends that they'd sincerely deplore in people they don't know

True.  But I will also add that the situation happened 20 years ago and Bennett did the time/counseling mandated under terms of the plea agreement with the prosecutors.  He did a bad thing, he received and completed his punishment.  His name has not been associated with any criminality since then that I've heard.  I'm sure Kelly and others recognize their own foibles, some known, much probably unknown,  in their forbearance toward Buiscut's misdeed.

 

If Graham has an issue with Carucci he should speak to him directly instead of using Bennett's old situation.  I'm sure he sees Carucci often enough to face-to-face with him.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, purple haze said:

If Graham has an issue with Carucci he should speak to him directly instead of using Bennett's old situation.  I'm sure he sees Carucci often enough to face-to-face with him.

 

The only thing Graham has an issue with is people not paying attention to him.

 

It's just that simple.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not necessarily.    I personally think Bennett was probably guilty, at least of what he pled to, maybe more.  But his wife was pregnant, he was due to earn millions from the Falcons, and he was at risk to lose millions if he took the case to court, different misbehavior came to light, and the NFL suspended him (eg drug use).

 

Again, not trying to argue Bennett was not guilty, simply pointing out that people do plead guilty to misdemeanors at times, even if they could probably fight them and win, because they perceive themselves as losing more than they risk by having a misdemeanor as a criminal record.

 

 

Neither was his lawyer.  He pled to committing "vicious acts" during a sexual assault and jumped on a deal that would only charge him with a misdemeanor and only have a 60 day jail sentence.

 

He had zero chance to "fight and win" at trial.  HE took a great del when he saw it.  The DA offered a great deal because he knows how tough rape cases against pro athletes are to win.

 

So he gets the win, Bennett skates with 32 days vacation and the victim gets screwed again.

 

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When he followed it up with the “woke” comment it became apparent he wasn’t going at Vic or Bennett but the fans.

 

The same fans who moaned and groaned and even asked for JS and BG to be replaced don’t even know what type of people they are cheering for or turn a blind eye towards it. 

 

You hate the people you get the news from but you don’t even care/know how foul some of your own hero’s are. Let’s focus on the media though.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

When he followed it up with the “woke” comment it became apparent he wasn’t going at Vic or Bennett but the fans.

 

The same fans who moaned and groaned and even asked for JS and BG to be replaced don’t even know what type of people they are cheering for or turn a blind eye towards it. 

 

You hate the people you get the news from but you don’t even care/know how foul some of your own hero’s are. Let’s focus on the media though.

 

 

I can see your larger point and,if that’s the case, then Graham’s point is lost. Realistically, how many fans convey “hero” status on Cornelius Bennett today? Certainly not any fans born after 1998. And certainly not the fans of his era who are acutely aware of his abhorrent behavior and had lost any respect they might have had for him at one time. So who is left for Graham to preach to in the fashion he chose in his tweet? Fans who might not know better than to realize great football players can also be deplorable human beings?

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28 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

When he followed it up with the “woke” comment it became apparent he wasn’t going at Vic or Bennett but the fans.

The same fans who moaned and groaned and even asked for JS and BG to be replaced don’t even know what type of people they are cheering for or turn a blind eye towards it.

You hate the people you get the news from but you don’t even care/know how foul some of your own hero’s are. Let’s focus on the media though.

 

As a broad point (independent of Graham) that's an interesting one and has some validity.

 

The thing is, no one is particularly cheering for Bennett today.  To the modern fans, he's just a name I believe.

Back in the 1990s.....I wonder how much the media knew and how much of a blind eye was turned towards some of the Superbowl Bills team behavior?

 

I said upthread, I would completely respect Graham if he had chosen to raise a hard journalistic point like "Kelly....why'd you invite this guy?" or Bennett's past directly.

I don't think that's what he did, though.  I think he was taking a shot at Carrucci for his own personal reasons, with Kelly and Bennett as his means to an end.

I think everyone else he said later is"spin" once he caught some flak for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I get the point with Bennett not being a star anymore but I could see how a guy like TG would feel annoyed with the fan base and lash out a bit. I’m not saying it’s correct or appropriate, it’s just how I interpreted his initial comment and then his follow up. 

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