Buffalo03 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 It's obvious that we need some speed and someone that can get down the field. Would it be worth it to offer the Seahawks a late round pick for next year ajd see if we can get him. He's only 25 and is still under his rookie contract so he is only set to make $1.9 million. Do any of you think it would be worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Why would the Seahawks trade him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why would the Seahawks trade him? Exactly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Why is everyone so hooked on getting a speed guy? Clearly the Bills aren’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, ClemsonBills said: Why is everyone so hooked on getting a speed guy? Clearly the Bills aren’t If and when Josh Allen is the QB, we'll need a speed guy to keep defenses honest and harness one of the few things Allen brings to the table: a huge arm. Not sure we need that guy right now though. Depends on how quickly they intend to push Allen through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why would the Seahawks trade him? ...why not Russell???....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 lets see if Ray Ray makes the final roster first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Let’s tank for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Let’s tank for him. ....did you happen to see where the Mav's Cuban yapping about "tanking" cost him 600 grand penalty??......poor fellow............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 It's sad when we have to talk about trying to acquire mediocre receiving talent because the bills have done such a crap job targeting skill position talent. That falls on beane and McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think there's a better chance of getting Travis Benjamin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 57 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: It's sad when we have to talk about trying to acquire mediocre receiving talent because the bills have done such a crap job targeting skill position talent. That falls on beane and McDermott. Or Beane and mcdermott realize poor qb play leads to poor wr play. Maybe they think they will get better qb play this year which will lead to better wr play and we will all forget about needing a "star" wr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why would the Seahawks trade him? We are going to ask very, very nicely? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, Augie said: We are going to ask very, very nicely? Bring up the Lynch trade while asking perhaps. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Sammy would have been a nice target for Allen. We have the least threatening receivers in the nfl. im not high on McCarron and wasn’t a big fan of Allen but man, they have set them up poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Jpsredemption said: It's sad when we have to talk about trying to acquire mediocre receiving talent because the bills have done such a crap job targeting skill position talent. That falls on beane and McDermott. Always good to know we can count on these posts from you Worthless yet consistant 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Sammy would have been a nice target for Allen. We have the least threatening receivers in the nfl. im not high on McCarron and wasn’t a big fan of Allen but man, they have set them up poorly. Not at $16 million per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dalton said: Not at $16 million per year. I think Sammy would have been a monster with a big armed qb like Allen. Our receivers don’t scare defenses in the slightest. And our front office hasn’t shown an ability to find ones that do. You are severely limiting your offense with a big play threat. We have a bunch of slow outside wrs and slot guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Dalton said: Not at $16 million per year. Thats what WR1s cost these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Dalton said: Not at $16 million per year. Kc Chiefs > Dalton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Always good to know we can count on these posts from you Worthless yet consistant OK so please proceed by letting me know the dynamic job they've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 35 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: OK so please proceed by letting me know the dynamic job they've done. Well lets start with making the playoffs for the first time in 17 years. Since well you know the job they have done does not solely revolve around one position on the team, are dealing with a modified rebiuld, and are dealing with a big dead cap situation while they are doing it. Yet still found enough offensive production to make the playoffs......so yeah there is that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Wilk Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Who's he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Jpsredemption said: OK so please proceed by letting me know the dynamic job they've done. This crap blows my mind. People act as if nfl teams should get built overnight. Name a single opportunity the Bills have had at acquiring a top tier wide receiver. They had one chance to get a solid guy, and they traded a 3rd for him. Other than that, what were they going to do? There was nobody in the draft they would have taken high, and if they took a wr instead of Allen or Edmunds there would have been riots. Should they have traded a first for Antonio Brown or Julio? I genuinely don't know what you expected them to do. The time to get a wr will come, and I expect them to do it when the opportunity is there. For now they built up the secondary in year one, and addressed the front 7 and qb so far in year two. It will take time. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, ColdFront_USAF said: This crap blows my mind. People act as if nfl teams should get built overnight. Name a single opportunity the Bills have had at acquiring a top tier wide receiver. They had one chance to get a solid guy, and they traded a 3rd for him. Other than that, what were they going to do? There was nobody in the draft they would have taken high, and if they took a wr instead of Allen or Edmunds there would have been riots. Should they have traded a first for Antonio Brown or Julio? I genuinely don't know what you expected them to do. The time to get a wr will come, and I expect them to do it when the opportunity is there. For now they built up the secondary in year one, and addressed the front 7 and qb so far in year two. It will take time. They're the same people who throw a fit if they don't get their Happy Meal at the drive through in less than a minute. And God forbid if they don't include the toy. They have young guys in camp. Let's see what they do first. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) I'm thinking once the salary cap situation clears up that talent will be aquired. At least I agree with those on this message board that feel that way. Just playing with the cards that got dealt trying to make a hand out of it. I actually planned on last year being a year of understanding and the drought was busted. I plan on making this season one of understanding, maybe we get to the Superbowl. Edited May 27, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 We have like 4-5 speed guys on the team. Damn how fast do you want them to be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Reading these posts tells me two things about some of the people in here........... 1. Short attention spans 2. Patience of a rattlesnake 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Jpsredemption said: OK so please proceed by letting me know the dynamic job they've done. You sure do like to cry and complain alot about everything the bills do and are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why would the Seahawks trade him? Have you been paying attention at all? The Seahawks are falling apart. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23611488/cliff-avril-says-seattle-seahawks-began-questioning-pete-carroll-super-bowl-interception And they had cap issues to deal with. Edited May 27, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: We have like 4-5 speed guys on the team. Damn how fast do you want them to be? It's a passing league and it's a matchup league. Based on simply pedigree and past performance........the Bills don't have a single WR who can be projected to consistently get open against any of the CB's they are going to face. You are talking about speed on paper.........but on paper they will be losing every matchup.....even between 3rd WR and nickel CB's..........which is really saying something. Even their #1 KB is basically going to have to catch a ton of 50/50 balls. White and Davis should probably just work on the sidelines and stay healthy because they are going to be getting nearly useless reps covering the likes of Andre Holmes or Kaelin Klay in camp. No opponent is going to march out junk like that with their first team in preseason let alone in actual games. Edited May 27, 2018 by BADOLBILZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napmaster Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 10 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: We have like 4-5 speed guys on the team. Damn how fast do you want them to be? Exactly This. 5 Guys in camp sub 4.49 speed. 10 guys under 4.55 speed. Tyler Locket 4.40 as the comparison. Robert Foster 4.41 Zay Jones 4.45 (coming off surgery, so may be slower) Rod Streater 4.46 Brandon Reilly 4.47 Austin Proehl 4.47 Quan Bray 4.50 Kaelin Clay 4.51 Malachi Dupre 4.53 Ray-Ray McCloud 4.53 Andre Holmes 4.53 Jeremy Kerley 4.56 Kelvin Benjamin 4.61 (who knows if he can even run this fast anymore) Cam Phillips 4.79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, napmaster said: Exactly This. 5 Guys in camp sub 4.49 speed. 10 guys under 4.55 speed. Tyler Locket 4.40 as the comparison. Robert Foster 4.41 Zay Jones 4.45 (coming off surgery, so may be slower) Rod Streater 4.46 Brandon Reilly 4.47 Austin Proehl 4.47 Quan Bray 4.50 Kaelin Clay 4.51 Malachi Dupre 4.53 Ray-Ray McCloud 4.53 Andre Holmes 4.53 Jeremy Kerley 4.56 Kelvin Benjamin 4.61 (who knows if he can even run this fast anymore) Cam Phillips 4.79 There's a huge difference between forty times in shorts and demonstrated playing speed and ability in actual games. The converstion is pointless because the Seahawks aren't going to trade him with them already losing Richardson as the big play threat in their passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There's a huge difference between forty times in shorts and demonstrated playing speed and ability in actual games. The converstion is pointless because the Seahawks aren't going to trade him with them already losing Richardson as the big play threat in their passing game. This conversation may be pointless to you, but not to others. So let people say their piece and respect their opinions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napmaster Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There's a huge difference between forty times in shorts and demonstrated playing speed and ability in actual games. Yes, you are absolutely correct. However, the OP stated "It's obvious that we need some speed and someone that can get down the field." We have those guys in camp so it's not obvious. To your point. I completely agree with you, straight line speed in shorts is not enough. Great hands, route running ability, speed in and out of cuts, ability to get separation off the line, willingness to go over the middle, ability to understand offensive concepts, desire to put in the film study work. Those things make or break a receiver. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I think this staff has a wait and see approach right now. They don't know who will be QB or who's going to surprise on the roster. Tweaks can come latter in the year like they showed last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, napmaster said: Yes, you are absolutely correct. However, the OP stated "It's obvious that we need some speed and someone that can get down the field." We have those guys in camp so it's not obvious. To your point. I completely agree with you, straight line speed in shorts is not enough. Great hands, route running ability, speed in and out of cuts, ability to get separation off the line, willingness to go over the middle, ability to understand offensive concepts, desire to put in the film study work. Those things make or break a receiver. It would be great to see one of the WR candidates emerge to provide outside speed as an element of the passing game to open up underneath routes and create more room for the run game. Not counting on it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: We have like 4-5 speed guys on the team. Damn how fast do you want them to be? Who are these guys? And do they really have a legit shot at making the team? At least Lockett would be a given to make the team if we trade a late round pick for him. Plus, while not great, Lockett is better than the scrap heap at the WR position we have after Benjamin. 2 hours ago, napmaster said: Exactly This. 5 Guys in camp sub 4.49 speed. 10 guys under 4.55 speed. Tyler Locket 4.40 as the comparison. Robert Foster 4.41 Zay Jones 4.45 (coming off surgery, so may be slower) Rod Streater 4.46 Brandon Reilly 4.47 Austin Proehl 4.47 Quan Bray 4.50 Kaelin Clay 4.51 Malachi Dupre 4.53 Ray-Ray McCloud 4.53 Andre Holmes 4.53 Jeremy Kerley 4.56 Kelvin Benjamin 4.61 (who knows if he can even run this fast anymore) Cam Phillips 4.79 How many of these guys will actually make the team though? Lockett will at least make the team. Some of these guy may have speed but if they don't make the team it doesn't matter Edited May 27, 2018 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 A guy like him? Or actually him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 23 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think Sammy would have been a monster with a big armed qb like Allen. Our receivers don’t scare defenses in the slightest. And our front office hasn’t shown an ability to find ones that do. You are severely limiting your offense with a big play threat. We have a bunch of slow outside wrs and slot guys. Receivers don't scare defenses unless you have a quarterback who can hit them. You think defensive coordinators care who Aaron Rogers throws to? Benjamin, Clay, Shady and Kerley are all good targets. We just need one more guy to emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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