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13 minutes ago, musichunch said:

 

Bledsoe was a top 8-12 QB when we had him. Orton was a solid middle of the road guy. Flutie was magic. Rob Johnson had potential but injuries, sacks, and Flutie looking over his shoulder ruined him. Fitz wasn't bad at all.

 

It was Losman, Edwards, and Manuel more than anything that led to our bad teams. That, and Ralph Wilson. 

No, he really wasn't. You could try to argue it for 2002, but he was nowhere close in 2003 or 2004.

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3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

No, he really wasn't. You could try to argue it for 2002, but he was nowhere close in 2003 or 2004.

 

Precisely what I'm arguing. He was a very good QB at the tail end of his prime. 

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21 minutes ago, musichunch said:

 

Bledsoe was a top 8-12 QB when we had him. Orton was a solid middle of the road guy kitty. Flutie was magic. Rob Johnson had potential but injuries, sacks, and Flutie looking over his shoulder ruined him. Fitz wasn't bad at all.

 

It was Losman, Edwards, and Manuel more than anything that led to our bad teams. That, and Ralph Wilson. 

FTFY.  !@#$ Orton, 3rd and kitty mother!@#$er.

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1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Bledsoe was absolutely NOT a top 8-12 QB when we had him

 

 

 

There is undoubtedly some "guru" site that "ranked" him that high... which is "proof" to those who do not understand the football they actually watch....

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3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He had 8 good weeks and then had a losing record, 195 yards a game and 1:1 TD to INT. Bledsoe was pretty much awful after 8 games. 

 

But didn’t he have an amazing game with like 560 yards passing? That’s a whole month these days! What an crazy drop off. 

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1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Wow.

 

EJ must be really, really good now!

EJ Da Great!!! He also beat out Connor Cook, a former board favorite here last year!!!

 

Dear Lord, Hackenberg must really suck.  A guy who looks the part of a franchise qb who never really had the ability.  It’s hilarious that people tried to blame James Franklin for his failings.

2 minutes ago, LaDexter said:

Anyone who actually watched Hackenberg at Penn State and gave him something other than an UNDRAFTED GRADE is a completely incompetent football scout...

They blamed everyone else at PSU for his failings.  Thankfully, we won’t draft someone like that!!! :)

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Christian Hackenberg has plenty of similarities as a prospect to Josh Allen. 

 

Pros - big, strong, mobile, "looks" like a QB, good intangibles, smart

 

Cons - questionable accuracy, poor game film, poor pocket presence

 

Hopefully Allen is a lot better, but it shows how low the floor is for boom or bust prospects like this. 

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On 5/23/2018 at 12:04 PM, prissythecat said:

 

 

EJ's stats in Oakland:   2 games 24/43  =  55% completion percentage.    265 yards (132.5 yards/game)  .  6.2 Y/A.    1 TD 1 INT.   72.3 QB rating.              

 

A continuation of the mediocrity he showed in Buff.    Not sure how one can conclude he is a fine backup?

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1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

Christian Hackenberg has plenty of similarities as a prospect to Josh Allen. 

 

Pros - big, strong, mobile, "looks" like a QB, good intangibles, smart

 

Cons - questionable accuracy, poor game film, poor pocket presence

 

Hopefully Allen is a lot better, but it shows how low the floor is for boom or bust prospects like this. 

I thought the knock on Hackenberg was he's dumb? Wasn't that his issue? He could not read defenses. Didn't he have a low wonderlic too?

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Sad story.  Think the kid got ruined when Bill O'Brien left Penn State.  He had it all.  Good O-Line, Good WRs, Good Coach.  Then in 2013 O'Brien left and his WRs (Allen Robinson) and several OL went to the NFL.  Sanctions decimated them at OL.  Kid got crushed.  In 2013 and 2014 he had as many sacks per game as Drew Bledsoe did in 2005 (3.4/game).   He physically seemed to be able to take the abuse, but it was clear he was thrown off his game.  It threw him off and he never recovered.

 

He is one of the main guys who kept penn state together through the sanctions, and i will never forget him for that...but sadly, i think he is done here.  Hope to see him get another chance, but i think time has run out.

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4 hours ago, LaDexter said:

We have a thread about Christian Sack-of-@@@@enberg.... and EJ Manuel....

 

and we wonder why we haven't had a good QB since Jim....

 

“We”????  Get lost, Chefs fan. 

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On 5/22/2018 at 4:35 PM, whatdrought said:

Conditional 7th round sounds like they might not get anything for him. 

 

Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor.  Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick.  Team B then cuts the player.  This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg. 

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8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor.  Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick.  Team B then cuts the player.  This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg. 

 

Welp then I guess Maccagnan owes McKensie

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8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor.  Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick.  Team B then cuts the player.  This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg. 

http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-monday-night-notes

it was an article by Tony Pauline back in January and he was spot on 

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4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Is that the condition for the Jets to get that 7th?

Judging from Jets front office (mis)management, they would forget about the compensatory pick by the time they were measuring for the jacket.

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15 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

I thought the knock on Hackenberg was he's dumb? Wasn't that his issue? He could not read defenses. Didn't he have a low wonderlic too?

 

There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense.

 

Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence. 

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11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense.

 

Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence. 

I thought 'pocket presence' was what the creepy guy would try to entice the unknowing into checking his pants for.

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  • 26CornerBlitz changed the title to NYJ Trade Hackenberg to the Raiders for a Conditional 2019 7th Round Pick - Waived by Oakland

I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. 

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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. 

 

To be fair he was talked about as a possible number 1 pick two years before he came out.  The book was out on him by the time he appeared out of college.  

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44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To be fair he was talked about as a possible number 1 pick two years before he came out.  The book was out on him by the time he appeared out of college.  

Even still someone wasted a 2nd on him. Other guys like Logan Thomas or Jevan Snead that were talked about as potential #1 overall picks plummeted. Jimmy Clausen is probably the best comparison in terms of draft status. Clausen has kicked around and had a few decent games. Hackenberg was picked 51st overall and has as many career attempts as I do. 

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2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense.

 

Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence. 

I thought it was he's dumb. That he held the ball too long because he couldn't see the field. That he took Rob Johnson style sacks. I know he had the accuracy and pocket issues as well but I thought the reason many hated him was because he was dumb as rocks and couldn't read defenses.

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17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Unremarkable Wonderlic.  24.  Neither high nor WTF? low

Better than I thought. I thought it was in the teens. Isn't there an above 25 standard for QBs?

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20 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

I thought it was he's dumb. That he held the ball too long because he couldn't see the field. That he took Rob Johnson style sacks. I know he had the accuracy and pocket issues as well but I thought the reason many hated him was because he was dumb as rocks and couldn't read defenses.

I watched him at Penn State and he definitely couldn't read the field and make any kind of complex decision.  Glad the Jets thought so highly of him!

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7 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Better than I thought. I thought it was in the teens. Isn't there an above 25 standard for QBs?

 

There's the "26-27-60" rule (26 on Wonderlic, 27 games started, 60% completion) but I'm not aware of it as a "standard" - just a rule of thumb frequently broken

 

I'm not sure the Wonderlic is a good predictor for QB success though. 

I thought I heard that Hackenberg's thing was struggling to read defenses on the field and react appropriately.

In theory, a guy could have a 40 Wonderlic and not be able to read a defense under time pressure.

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. 

 

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