More wins in 2018, Browns or Bills?

[Buffalo Boy]

The Browns are one of the great constants in life!!!!

No matter AJM or JA starting at QB for the Bills, they are both better that TT???

Edited May 14, 2018 by Buffalo Boy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I just dont get some people.....negative nancies

 

The browns annually suck....I mean suck BAD

 

We just made the playoffs.....and even when we dont we are in the 8-8 range every year.

  

Can we let the Browns actually win a couple of games a season before we actually put the tail between the legs?

FWIW  there are some in the media thinking the Browns make a chase for the playoffs.  

 

the same guys that say annually the Bills suck 

[HT02]

4 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I don't think it will be close. Bills 3-4 wins and the Browns 8-9. 

I'd go the inverse of that Browns 4-12 Bills 9-7

[Cash]

I said Browns, but I don't have a lot of confidence in the pick.  This is still the same coaching staff that won 1 game in the past 2 seasons, so it's hard to have a ton of faith in them, even with upgraded personnel.  I'm definitely prepared for the Bills to take a step back this year, but McDermott's version of JauronBall seems unlikely to bottom out lower than maybe 6 wins or so.  I could see the Browns going 8-8 no problem, but wouldn't be stunned if they went 4-12 either.

[The Red King]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

You seem angry. 

 

Not at all.  Just a little tired of posts from fans angry we traded TT to the Browns and/or unhappy with our off-season moves that state the Bills are going to be one of the worst teams in the league, and Cleveland will somehow be elevated by TT from 0-16 to a playoff caliber team in a single season.  Had the OP said something like..."Buffalo will regress, and the changes Cleveland made will elevate them.  I see them both having similar records, with Cleveland winning one or two more then Buffalo." I could respect it.  Wouldn't agree with it, but would at least respect it.  Instead, we get..."I don't think it will be close. Bills 3-4 wins and the Browns 8-9.", which makes it clear this is based on nothing more then personal bias/venom rather then actual football analysis.  These types of threads, which are nothing more then thinly veiled "Buffalo will suck because the front office didn't do what I wanted them to do!" are beginning to wear me down.

[billspro]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Cleveland has the more talented offense.  Buffalo has the better defense.

 

This all comes down to AJ and his level of play.

 

It's a push.

 

We have much better coaching. They have better WRs but it is yet to be seen if they have a QB that can take advantage of that. We have Shady who is the only known production on either team.

 

I love how the Bills are being underrated. I trust our coaches, I would be very surprised if we have less than 8 wins.

[Lfod]

4 hours ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said:

The Browns have 4 wins in three seasons, Seriously 4 wins in three years! They shocked the nfl by going Mayfield 1 and passing on Chubb at 4. I'd saying if you gave 31 other teams the number 1 and 4 pick in this years draft they don't end up with Mayfield and Ward. Now perhaps the Browns are smarter then every other team in the NFL or perhaps they are still the Browns.

 

I'll even say that the Bills ended with up the Better QB and better Defensive player in the first round when its all said and done.

 

I do think they are improved but I also think they blew this draft big time. I'd say the Browns are a 4 win team.

That fact should be enough to back down some people on how strongly they feel about the Browns being amazing. The Browns being good will be a good topic to revisit during the season when the paper tiger gets shredded. 

[reddogblitz]

Come on man. I wonder how many other playoff teams fans are wondering if they'll have a better record than the Clowns?  I think you might be stuck in drought thinking mode again.

 

did you by chance predict a 3 or 4 win season last year too?

 

Grass is always greener ...

[Lfod]

4 hours ago, teef said:

i'm going to say the bills until the browns show us they can actually be competent.  every couple of years we hear about how the browns are finally on the right track, and so far...nothing.  i hope it does turn the corner for their fans, but i'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt.  it always surprises me that people are willing to give a team like the browns the benefit of the doubt, but not the bills.  

All you need is draft pick #1 and #4 apparently and people are believers. That's all the Browns have done well. Losing and getting high draft picks. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

Come on man. I wonder how many other playoff teams fans are wondering if they'll have a better record than the Clowns?  I think you might be stuck in drought thinking mode again.

 

did you by chance predict a 3 or 4 win season last year too?

 

Grass is always greener ...

talk about beat down dog syndrome

 

Come on people....the bills are on the upswing get on the bus

[teef]

20 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I love how this board every year predicts 3 or 4 wins and yet every year we double that.  Next year, we are going to be "awful" again and yet we never are.  

 

On the flip side, this same board always says the Browns will be good and a team on the rise...and then they win 1 game in last 32 games.

 

Hilarious.  There wont be a 9 win gap again this year between Browns and Bills, but I still think the Bills will win at least 8 games and could challenge for the playoffs again IF...and this is a key IF...either AJ or Allen (or both) can be solid or better.  D will be even better than last year IMO and I think it has the potential to be a top 10 unit this year.  I think the offense is not going to drop off much, if at all, like so many of the usual doom and gloomers predict.  So with a better D and what I expect to be similar or better production from the offense, this team shouldn't fall off much and could even improve.  

 

DISCLAIMER:  If both AJ and Allen struggle a lot, then I don't think the D will be good enough to keep this team at or above .500 this year.  However, I am also in the camp that the offense shouldn't fall off much and could actually be better under AJ than TT.  In the event Allen beats AJ out for the job in preseason or sometime during the season, then I would expect Allen to be able to do the same or better.  

 

So, I will still take the Bills in this scenario, but I am also optimistic at QB this year.  I am concerned about OL turnover and WR health though, so hopefully we see some positive signs in preseason in those areas.

every...single...year.

[Soda Popinski]

Just now, Lfod said:

All you need is draft pick #1 and #4 apparently and people are believers. That's all the Browns have done well. Losing and getting high draft picks. 

Passing on Chubb was a huge flub up IMO.    Look what the Chargers are doing with Ingram and Bosa, and now the Broncos with Miller and Chubb, and Cleveland didn't want Chubb and Garrett???  Ludicrous. 

[teef]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You seem angry. 

Can't argue with this. 

 

But I think Browns will be an actual competitive team this year. Tyrod gives them some stability at the QB position. I'd say Browns win at 6 to 8 and Bills win 5 to 7. It will be close, IMO. Ultimately I think the Browns will have the better record but Hue could !@#$ it up for them. 

i like tyrod more than most, but i think you're giving him a bit too much credit.  

[Lfod]

I'm glad this thread was made. A place for all the Browns hype to be consolidated in one thread, to be dug out of the graveyard mid season. 

[Lfod]

16 minutes ago, teef said:

i like tyrod more than most, but i think you're giving him a bit too much credit.  

I honestly think Tyrod is the right move for the Browns. I don't think he elevated the Bills W/L record to the point you would have confidence that it will happen for the Browns. 

 

It's not like he took the winless Bills to the playoffs. This team was borderline playoff pushing before his arrival. Things actually fell in the teams favor one season and we snuck into the post season. 

 

So even though I think he is a good fit for the Browns I would not be so quick to think he is the X factor to increasing a teams win/loss record or he wasn't the X factor in Buffalo. 

Edited May 14, 2018 by Lfod

[Buffalo Boy]

3 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I'm glad this thread was made. A place for all the Browns hype to be consolidated in one thread, to be dug out of the graveyard mid season. 

“ Browns hype” = Oxymoron 

[teef]

5 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I honestly think Tyrod is the right move for the Browns. I don't think he elevated the Bills W/L record to the point you would have confidence that it will happen for the Browns. 

 

It's not like he took the winless Bills to the playoffs. This team was borderline playoff pushing before his arrival. Things actually fell in the teams favor one season and we snuck into the post season. 

completely agree.  as mentioned a million times, he is fantastic with not turning the ball over.  it sure helps, but i don't think he'll ever have enough to elevate a team beyond that .  for a year for the browns it will work.  hell...it may not even be a year.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 minutes ago, teef said:

i like tyrod more than most, but i think you're giving him a bit too much credit.  

my guess is 4 to 5 wins w/Tyrod. 

 

 

[teef]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Maybe. I don't think so though.

 

I think he's a solid QB when you have good players around him that fit his style of play. Browns have some real good personnel around Tyrod. I'm interested to see it play out. Assuming Tyrod starts and Mayfield doesn't beat him out.

he's certainly better than what they had.  tyrod won't hurt them, and i think right now that's all the browns need.

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

my guess is 4 to 5 wins w/Tyrod. 

 

 

i don't know enough about the rest of the team to make a prediction, but if the browns won 5-6 games, it's a step in the right direction.  technically, anything is a step in the right direction for them.  

[Augie]

I think we should both be at about 8 wins, but I like our coaching better. I said Bills. 

[Lfod]

24 minutes ago, teef said:

completely agree.  as mentioned a million times, he is fantastic with not turning the ball over.  it sure helps, but i don't think he'll ever have enough to elevate a team beyond that .  for a year for the browns it will work.  hell...it may not even be a year.  

I don't think it will be a full year myself. I think Mayfield will get the test run unless Tyrod really does have the Browns winning more then 6 games or Mayfield just isn't looking ready behind the scenes. 

[Alphadawg7]

47 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

Passing on Chubb was a huge flub up IMO.    Look what the Chargers are doing with Ingram and Bosa, and now the Broncos with Miller and Chubb, and Cleveland didn't want Chubb and Garrett???  Ludicrous. 

 

I too would have taken Chubb, but its only a mistake if Ward doesnt pan out and Chubb does.  If they both turn out to be really good picks, then I dont think its a mistake at all by the Browns because they need help desperately in that secondary.  

 

Again, I liked Chubb more as a prospect, but if Ward pans out then I dont think they will regret it at all.  

[Soda Popinski]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I too would have taken Chubb, but its only a mistake if Ward doesnt pan out and Chubb does.  If they both turn out to be really good picks, then I dont think its a mistake at all by the Browns because they need help desperately in that secondary.  

 

Again, I liked Chubb more as a prospect, but if Ward pans out then I dont think they will regret it at all.  

I just thought they could have gotten a cover corner that would have been adequate later on.   But They would not get a better pass rusher, IDK maybe the DE from Miami they took will turn out to be Calais Campbell or something.  

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

I just thought they could have gotten a cover corner that would have been adequate later on.   But They would not get a better pass rusher, IDK maybe the DE from Miami they took will turn out to be Calais Campbell or something.  

 

I agree with you, I too would have done the same.  But I just meant if Ward turns into a very good corner, then it wont be a mistake IMO as their secondary is garbage and had some young talent already upfront.  

 

But again, I still take Chubb there too personally as I think he was a better prospect than Ward personally.

[Soda Popinski]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I agree with you, I too would have done the same.  But I just meant if Ward turns into a very good corner, then it wont be a mistake IMO as their secondary is garbage and had some young talent already upfront.  

 

But again, I still take Chubb there too personally as I think he was a better prospect than Ward personally.

yeah, Dorsey probably trying to balance that defense out instead of going all pass rush.   I would love to know what offers he was getting from teams to move up to 4.  just to know what he turned down. 

[reddogblitz]

Come on man. I wonder how many other playoff teams fans are wondering if they'll have a better record than the Clowns?  I think you might be stuck in drought thinking mode again.

 

did you by chance predict a 3 or 4 win season last year too?

 

Grass is always greener ...

[KollegeStudnet]

NFL has changed. See the Bills 10-6, winning close games and having a 5-1 AFC East record in 2018

Schedule looks hard, but see the AFC a bit weaker than previous years. See the Pats derailed finally. 

[GoBills808]

Vegas has us at 6.5 and the Browns at 4.5 but they’re paying on the over and giving on the under for the Bills and vice versa Cleveland so they think it’ll be close as of today. 

 

That said, I don’t think the Browns get more than 5 wins, which would be a big accomplishment after going 0-16 and 1-15 back to back. Their division is too tough and they’re just not a good team no matter how much Bill Barnwell is hyping them...I think getting to 8 wins would put them at or near the top of NFL history in terms of one-season turnarounds? No way.

 

I think the Bills will win 9 games again. I also think this question is going to look ridiculous going into the bye.

[simpleman]

6 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

We have a very solid run game though and that is what this team is, a run first team.  So many on here compare this team to other teams that pass the ball way more than us and compare the weapons.  We win by strong defense and a solid run game with a few plays here and there from the QB.  Once Allen develops, I think they expect and hope that will change but we have a roster that doesn't need the QB to win every game for us.  Last year was evidence of that.  I don't know what our record will be this year with such a big roster turnover again but I'm not going to go against this coaching staff who proved so many wrong last season.

We have one solid runner. Shady, if he can stay healthy all season. After that an end of career rental with unknown tread left on his wheels. TT helped with our run game and he is now a Brown. A terrible Oline and a horrible group of WRs. One proven good WR. One reliable TE in Clay,  if he can stay healthy. If Allen does actually develop, it will most likely affect the 2019 season, not this season. While we on paper should be better on defense, our offense is anemic. Most of our Offensive starters would be average backups on most of the better teams.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, The Red King said:

Now now, let the doom and gloom fans have their moment.  Not picking the QB they wanted, and/or getting rid of Tyrod Taylor automatically makes us a 3-4 win team in their eyes.  I mean, it's not like our defense has improved from last year with free agent signings and the draft.  The idea of us winning a number of games based on defense first...you know, like last year...is just silly.  Our four games against the Jets and Dolphins alone should net us 3-4 wins.  Wait, wait...I forgot...the Jets' drafted a QB at 3, and that rookie will automatically make them a better team then us.

 

Also, remember that the TT fans will have Cleveland going 16-0 and winning the Super Bowl, because Tyrod is a god saddled with the Bills, who will show his true power with the Browns.  Because it's just that easy to go from 0-16 to contender.  It's not like they still have their same coach, or have so many new faces there's no cohesion there at all, something that will have to happen over time.  Wait...actually, that's exactly all true.

 

Lemmie sum up this thread..."I didn't like the moves the Bills made in the offseason, so they're automatically gonna drop from 9 wins to 3-4 wins.  If they had just listened to me..."  ?

 

...as for the post itself, I've said it before, Buffalo again goes 9-7 with a Wild Card birth.  As for the Browns, I think TT gets them to 5-6 wins at best.

 

I like you.

 

[Roundybout]

I have a feeling that once the Browns can Hue and hire a decent coach, they can pull a Rams-esque turnaround. That talent is undeniable, Garrett, Gordon, Landry, and so on. They need a coach to put it all together. 

 

This year, though, I see 6-10 for them and a cool 8-8 for us. 

[The Now Moment]

43 minutes ago, simpleman said:

We have one solid runner. Shady, if he can stay healthy all season. After that an end of career rental with unknown tread left on his wheels. TT helped with our run game and he is now a Brown. A terrible Oline and a horrible group of WRs. One proven good WR. One reliable TE in Clay,  if he can stay healthy. If Allen does actually develop, it will most likely affect the 2019 season, not this season. While we on paper should be better on defense, our offense is anemic. Most of our Offensive starters would be average backups on most of the better teams.

 

The scheme is different and a lot of players on offense are different.  Poyer and Hyde were thought of as an overpaid weak safety group.  We don't know how these players will play in a new scheme, under a new offensive coordinator and a new starting QB. Players can step up.  Look at what Marquise Goodwin did last year in San Fran.  A different scheme and team helped him.  Complain all you want but nobody knows how this offense will be this year.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, teef said:

he's certainly better than what they had.  tyrod won't hurt them, and i think right now that's all the browns need.

i don't know enough about the rest of the team to make a prediction, but if the browns won 5-6 games, it's a step in the right direction.  technically, anything is a step in the right direction for them.  

Not sure if I recall correctly but weren’t they close in score in quite a few games?  

 

Nope I was wrong. Only 4 close losses.  2 in OT.  

[Rocky Landing]

Until we have a solid O-line, and receiving corps, and Allen proves himself, I’m not going to get my hopes up for a lot of wins this season. It saddens me, but I voted Browns. 

[Mr. WEO]

Unless the new Browns GM emerges from his coma and fires Hue Jidiot, there is zero chance that The Browns win  more games than the Bills.

[Happy]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Unless the new Browns GM emerges from his coma and fires Hue Jidiot, there is zero chance that The Browns win  more games than the Bills.

 

This^.   Coaching matters, we should know that by now.

[JohnC]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Unless the new Browns GM emerges from his coma and fires Hue Jidiot, there is zero chance that The Browns win  more games than the Bills.

The new GM wanted to fire Hue but the owner wouldn't allow it. If the Browns don't come close to meeting a rising expectation Dorsey will be selecting another coach for 2019. 

 

A more interesting question is how long before there is a clamor to replace TT with Baker Mayfield?

 

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/12/cleveland_browns_jimmy_haslam_hue_jackson.html

[Bing Bong]

Browns are gonna be good. So are the bills ?

[KD in CA]

The Bills won 9 games last year and drafted a rookie QB

The Browns won 0 games last year and drafted a rookie QB.

 

 

Yeah, clearly the Browns are the superior team.   

 

 

 

[SoTier]

20 hours ago, JP's Voice said:

I don't get the notion that the Bills will only win 3 games. Defense improved on paper and offense stayed about the same (loss on O-line and improvement at QB). I think the Bills will be in the 7-10 win range and think the Browns will be in the 6-9 win range.

 

In an alternative universe your scenario might be true but in the one we inhabit, the defense has stayed about the same, and the offense has taken a major step backwards at QB and OL and done nothing to improve the sad situation at WR.  I'm sorry, but McCarron hasn't even made 100 passes in the NFL and no rookie QB can truly compete with a competent NFL starter, and unless Daboll is a miracle worker, the Bills offense will be "offensive" in 2018 will make 2017 look like a juggernaut.