More wins in 2018, Browns or Bills?

[Augie]

37 minutes ago, THE SLAMMER said:

 

Right, there was zero chance 4 years ago after he was waived by the dolphins.

 

I hope I’m wrong, because I want him to be well, but 4 years ago he was 4 years younger. Does he have enough time to prove he’s stable? The clock is ticking....

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You don't have a point. Boldin was prevented from pursuing opportunities with other teams while RI is 100% free to do so. 

You think Richie is not pursuing other opportunities??

Buffalo could have saved 1.5 Mil, let him sit the entire year with no distraction at all

Its not like Boldin was with the team ,he was at home.

[26CornerBlitz]

8 minutes ago, THE SLAMMER said:

You think Richie is not pursuing other opportunities??

Buffalo could have saved 1.5 Mil, let him sit the entire year with no distraction at all

Its not like Boldin was with the team ,he was at home.

 

You should read up on the latest with RI.  It seems like you have no idea what he's dealing with. 

Edited June 3, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I hope I’m wrong, because I want him to be well, but 4 years ago he was 4 years younger. Does he have enough time to prove he’s stable? The clock is ticking....

 

Keep in mind I am not believing the entire story....the media can be cruel at times. I would say his chance of resigning here are no better then 10%

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You should read up on the latest with RI.  It seems like you no idea what he's dealing with. 

 

This all started when I said I can't predict who will win more games, the Browns or Bills

All I was saying is ITS TO EARLY, many things can still happen, ****, Dez could be signed on Monday,

Richie is Richie, you should know better

Edited June 3, 2018 by THE SLAMMER

[Augie]

I thought he stood a decent chance of getting a network job after playing. Now I’m worried that may be gone too. He doesn’t need too much free time on his hands. 

[26CornerBlitz]

16 minutes ago, Augie said:

I thought he stood a decent chance of getting a network job after playing. Now I’m worried that may be gone too. He doesn’t need too much free time on his hands. 

 

Based on what Jeff Darlington has said, he's in a bad place.  

 

 

Edited June 3, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

I thought he stood a decent chance of getting a network job after playing. Now I’m worried that may be gone too. He doesn’t need too much free time on his hands. 

 

Very true, he will play somewhere but its unlikely he gets more then he was offered in Buffalo

[Boatdrinks]

Bills 5-11

 

Browns 7-9

[Big Gun]

Browns 4 wins

 

Bills 9 wins

[xxxxxxxx]

Bills 5-6 wins

Browns 7-8 wins

Get as excited as you want over t-shirts and shorts practices, but we have a new offense, new qbs, a new oline, 1 wide reciever, and Tyrod, irregardless of what you think about him as a passer, extends drives and puts up points (when he gets in the redzone) with his ability to run.

Our defense will keep us in games, but we will have more three and outs on offense (run, run, incomplete) and will be settling for more field goals than TD's.

 

Alot of folk out there naively think that the QB play will immediately improve, and that the offense will be close to the same, despite the fact that the room is unexperienced, the team lacks depth at key positions, and injuries happen regularly. Its not unreasonable to expect that our North of 30 RB will get injured at some point and that teams will double team our only recieving threat. I expect alot of 7-13, 10-14 close losses. And Allen starting at some point, near the third quarter of the season, when the playoffs are out of reach. There will be growing pains.

Edited June 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[cba fan]

4 hours ago, THE SLAMMER said:

 

Keep in mind I am not believing the entire story....the media can be cruel at times. I would say his chance of resigning here are no better then 10%

You don't need to believe the entire story.

 

The eyewitness accounts, the police report, the tweets, is all we need to know.

 

[reddogblitz]

Bills 19-0

Clowns who cares?

[MJS]

Amazing how much faith some Bills fans have in a Browns team that has won 1 game in two seasons.

 

The Browns clearly have to prove it before anyone can realistically claim they'll win more games than ANY team in the NFL.

[Lfod]

Just to let you all know when the Bills win more games then the Browns I won't ever let you forget what you said. You will forever be known as Browns fans. It's my duty as a Bills fan. Don't think that admitting you were wrong will make it ok. You will never be taken seriously again. Not by me. 

 

 

Edited June 4, 2018 by Lfod

[papazoid]

the same.….both  5-11

[atlbillsfan1975]

I am amazed at how many people think an 0-16 team is goin to bet better than a 9-7 team in one season. 

Hue Jackson is a good person and a good position coach and assistant coach but he hasn’t  been a good HC.  

We all know what Taylor is. 

McDermott is going to move this team in the right direction. McDermott isn’t afraid to make changes and tough calls to do what is best for the team.

Bills will be a better team than the Browns . 

Edited June 5, 2018 by atlbillsfan1975

[Fadingpain]

I voted Browns.

 

Bills will regress this year and Cleveland will improve significantly.  They have nowhere to go but up!  (LOL).

 

This all hinges on the QB play each team gets and that's still a huge question mark for both teams.

 

 

[TPS]

On 5/14/2018 at 10:04 AM, Bray Wyatt said:

browns will have an easier schedule, and if they are starting TT and we are starting Allen, I can see the browns. I think this is a coin flip tbh

Have you looked at the Browns schedule?  The play the NFC South and AFC West. Even their last place schedule has them playing the Jets and Houston, both teams that were "bad" after the starting QBs went down. Based on 2017, they have something like the 5th hardest schedule vs the Bills' 18th. The Browns will be a tough out for people, but that schedule is brutal. 

Bills should win more, even with a less settled QB situation.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I am amazed at how many people think an 0-16 team is goin to bet better than a 9-7 team in one season. 

Hue Jackson is a good person and a good position and assistant but he has not shown anything yet to think he is a good HC. 

We all know what Taylor is. 

McDermott is going to move this team in the right direction. McDermott isn’t afraid to make changes and tough calls to do what is best for the team.

Bills will be a better team than the Browns . 

It's not last year. No, I don't think fans know what Tyrod Taylor is. They will find out the hard way this season. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by TheTruthHurts

[FearLess Price]

Clevelands schedule looks rough for them regardless of a revamped offense. Looking like 5-11.

Bills schedule looks brutal up front too. Probobly 5-11 or 6-10.

[Bill_with_it]

This thread hurts.

[The Red King]

It will be fun to revisit this thread at, say, the half-way point of the season.  ?

[Cripple Creek]

On 5/14/2018 at 9:56 AM, dma0034 said:

I'll say Bills because you can't bet on the Browns

No money involved=Browns.

16 hours ago, Augie said:

He doesn’t need too much free time on his hands. 

Said much the same thing to my wife the other day. I fear for him, and those around him, unless he gets help.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

i think they could both be 8-8 .  I also think it will be interesting how it plays out in the media.  Cleveland with some flashy wins ends up 8-8 and are an up and coming team

Buffalo will plod there way to 8-8 and be a disappointment. It reality they both are up and coming teams.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

It's not last year. No, I don't think fans know what Tyrod Taylor is. They will find out the hard way this season. 

What do you think Taylor is?  Do you think Taylor is capable of being the quarterback for a Super Bowl team?

Honest questions. I will respect your opinion.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

What do you think Taylor is?  Do you think Taylor is capable of being the quarterback for a Super Bowl team?

Honest questions. I will respect your opinion.

No. To me he's a QB that won't win or lose you games. The Browns can build an offense based on big plays and few turnovers. Basically what the Bills were when Greg Roman was OC. They will score points. Rank around 10th overall. They won't turn the football over. If their defense can be top 20 in points allowed they will easily finish around 8 wins or even more. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I think both teams should finish with 7 wins.

I think the browns are the safer bet to get to 7 but the bills have the higher ceiling 

[atlbillsfan1975]

10 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

No. To me he's a QB that won't win or lose you games. The Browns can build an offense based on big plays and few turnovers. Basically what the Bills were when Greg Roman was OC. They will score points. Rank around 10th overall. They won't turn the football over. If their defense can be top 20 in points allowed they will easily finish around 8 wins or even more. 

Fair and I can agree with that opinion on Taylor.

I just don’t see the Browns winning 8 games. I think McDermott and Beane agree with you about Taylor as well. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2018 NFL Over-Under Win Totals: Browns poised to be an AFC wild-card contender

There's no sugarcoating 2017 for the Browns: it was an egg. A literal one, too, with a goose egg popping up in the loss column thanks to the Browns failure to win a single game all year long. The most impressive part about the whole thing was Hue Jackson, who has never won a game for the Browns on a Sunday, managed to keep his job after going a combined 1-31 in two seasons with Cleveland.

 

Make no mistake, though: this is John Dorsey's team now and his fingerprints are all over the place. Starting with the quarterback room, which will look very different from last year. There is finally a veteran in place (Tyrod Taylor, acquired via trade this offseason) to give the roster a higher floor. Baker Mayfield, taken No. 1 overall, will be his primary competition and it could get pretty heated this offseason. Don't be surprised if Baker starts early.

[The Red King]

I still love how some people are so quick to buy into a team going from 1-15 to 0-16 suddenly becoming playoff contenders after a few "sexy" off-season acquisitions while still under the same head coach.  Isn't this the same thing I've heard about the Browns the last two years?  And how did that work out for them?  Do you really expect them to go "zero-to-hero"?

 

Going from zero wins to 4-6 wins would be an accomplishment, a solid season.  7-8 wins would be a stunning turnaround.  9+ would be a miracle.  I do see the Browns contending for a playoff spot...the season after this one.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

23 minutes ago, The Red King said:

I still love how some people are so quick to buy into a team going from 1-15 to 0-16 suddenly becoming playoff contenders after a few "sexy" off-season acquisitions while still under the same head coach.  Isn't this the same thing I've heard about the Browns the last two years?  And how did that work out for them?  Do you really expect them to go "zero-to-hero"?

 

Going from zero wins to 4-6 wins would be an accomplishment, a solid season.  7-8 wins would be a stunning turnaround.  9+ would be a miracle.  I do see the Browns contending for a playoff spot...the season after this one.

Its happened before, Miami went from 1-15 to 11-5 in 2007 to 2008

 

I think the biggest difference with the browns this year is at quarterback. They have a guy this year that won't lose a game with turnovers.

 

I think they will look a lot like the past few years bills teams. Now is hue Jackson better or worse than rex Ryan? 

[KGun12TD]

How about putting us up against a team that’s won more than two games in two years?

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

I still love how some people are so quick to buy into a team going from 1-15 to 0-16 suddenly becoming playoff contenders after a few "sexy" off-season acquisitions while still under the same head coach.  Isn't this the same thing I've heard about the Browns the last two years?  And how did that work out for them?  Do you really expect them to go "zero-to-hero"?

 

Going from zero wins to 4-6 wins would be an accomplishment, a solid season.  7-8 wins would be a stunning turnaround.  9+ would be a miracle.  I do see the Browns contending for a playoff spot...the season after this one.

It’s just a different team. The 2018 Browns look nothing like the 2017 Browns. 

 

QB - They turned Kizer into Tyrod and Baker.

DB - They added Gaines, Randall and Ward.

WR- They have a healthy Gordon and added Landry.

OL- They added Corbett and Hubbard.

RB- They added Hyde and Chubb.

LB- They added Kendricks

 

They are pretty much better everywhere. Usually when a team goes through a transition phase they improve in some areas and get worse in others. The Browns are better across the board.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[The Red King]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s just a different team. The 2018 Browns look nothing like the 2017 Browns. 

 

QB - They turned Kizer into Tyrod and Baker.

DB - They added Gaines, Randall and Ward.

WR- They have a healthy Gordon and added Landry.

OL- They added Corbett and Hubbard.

RB- They added Hyde and Chubb.

LB- They added Kendricks

 

They are pretty much better everywhere. Usually when a team goes through a transition phase they improve in some areas and get worse in others. The Browns are better across the board.

 

Which is another area of concern.  You add that many players, it takes time for everyone to gel.  That's why I see them as a force in 2019, not 2018.  Drastic, one year turnarounds are incredibly rare.  I won't pull a Rodak and say it can't happen.  All I'm saying is that in my opinion it's all a bit premature, wishful thinking.  The Browns are a 1-31 team until they show they're not.  People seem ready to christen them a legitimate threat in the AFC already based solely on offseason moves.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, The Red King said:

 

Which is another area of concern.  You add that many players, it takes time for everyone to gel.  That's why I see them as a force in 2019, not 2018.  Drastic, one year turnarounds are incredibly rare.  I won't pull a Rodak and say it can't happen.  All I'm saying is that in my opinion it's all a bit premature, wishful thinking.  The Browns are a 1-31 team until they show they're not.  People seem ready to christen them a legitimate threat in the AFC already based solely on offseason moves.

The bold is where we disagree. Less than half of the guys that started on those 1-31 teams are starting now. Every year is a different year and a different team. The 2016 Browns record has absolutely no impact on the 2018 Browns record. In the same manner the 2016 Eagles record has no effect on the 2017 Eagles.

 

I’m not saying that the Browns are a Super Bowl contender. I think that they win 8 games. I don’t think that the Bills win 8. By 2019 though, both teams have a chance to be threats in their division (if the rookie QBs can play). IMO, the Browns are further along than the Bills though. They are better at OL, QB, WR, pass rush, and LB. The Bills should be better at DB and RB but the Browns are good there as well. The Bills have better coaching and should have a more stout run defense.

 

Again though, they are a year ahead in their rebuild. They had the cap space and a ton of picks. The Bills had picks but not a lot of cap space. By next year the roster should be pretty stacked.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[The Red King]

27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The bold is where we disagree. Less than half of the guys that started on those 1-31 teams are starting now. Every year is a different year and a different team. The 2016 Browns record has absolutely no impact on the 2018 Browns record. In the same manner the 2016 Eagles record has no effect on the 2017 Eagles.

 

I’m not saying that the Browns are a Super Bowl contender. I think that they win 8 games. I don’t think that the Bills win 8. By 2019 though, both teams have a chance to be threats in their division (if the rookie QBs can play). IMO, the Browns are further along than the Bills though. They are better at OL, QB, WR, pass rush, and LB. The Bills should be better at DB and RB but the Browns are good there as well. The Bills have better coaching and should have a more stout run defense.

 

Again though, they are a year ahead in their rebuild. They had the cap space and a ton of picks. The Bills had picks but not a lot of cap space. By next year the roster should be pretty stacked.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.  Time will tell which of us was right.  This is going to be a fun thread to revisit halfway into the season.  I have never seen anyone, nonetheless so many people, pick an 0-16 team to win 8+ games the following season.

[Hebert19]

Brown's give up on Taylor after first 100 yard passing game and they lose 5 straight after that.  Brown's 4-12.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

The team should be much improved with all of the personnel changes on both sides of the ball. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.  Time will tell which of us was right.  This is going to be a fun thread to revisit halfway into the season.  I have never seen anyone, nonetheless so many people, pick an 0-16 team to win 8+ games the following season.

Tell me the last team to turn over their roster like that? Thinking about the 2018 Browns like the 2017 or 2016 Browns is crazy. They are TOTALLY different. Hue Jackson is the only thing that’s the same. They have a lot of young talent and now a lot of experienced upgrades. They are literally better at every single position group than a year ago. 

Edited June 5, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[BringBackOrton]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Tell me the last team to turn over their roster like that? Thinking about the 2018 Browns like the 2017 or 2016 Browns is crazy. They are TOTALLY different. Hue Jackson is the only thing that’s the same. They have a lot of young talent and now a lot of experienced upgrades. They are literally better at every single position group than a year ago. 

The Jags.

 

The Browns followed the Jags formula.  Be bad for awhile, accumulate young stars and prospects, then make some FA and trade splashes to make the leap.

 

Something the Bills should've done years ago.

Edited June 6, 2018 by BringBackOrton