Johnny Manziel Hospitalized

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I generally agree but the guy has been alleged to hit a girl.  

 

I always thought his talent was completely overrated.  He was a really good college qb but  I never envisioned he could be a good nfl, even without the other stuff.  But if he is truly learning from the mistakes and trying to make himself a better person, I wish him the best.  But he’s more likely to be the next Chris Herren than Tom Brady.

Okay?

 

How simpleminded do you have to be to not be able feel sympathy for a fellow human being, while also condemning their actions and mistakes?  Are folks in this day and age truly incapable of holding two separate thoughts in their head at the same time?  Maybe we should just kill Johnny, because he's clearly so irredeemable in C.Biscuit97's anonymous online eyes.

6 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

So the kid is diagnosed bi-polar, which itself is a sentence I would wish on nobody, and you have zero sympathy. Let me guess you are a christian

 

by the way Lithium is some very serious medication

What?

Edited May 8, 2018 by jmc12290

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Okay?

 

How simpleminded do you have to be to not be able feel sympathy for a fellow human being, while also condemning their actions and mistakes?  Are folks in this day and age truly incapable of holding two separate thoughts in their head at the same time?  Maybe we should just kill Johnny, because he's clearly so irredeemable in C.Biscuit97's anonymous online eyes.

Haha, no one said that.  I just hate hypocrites. People feel more pity for Johnny Manziel than a guy who kneeled.  I love everyone who isn’t a total scumbag.  

[ddaryl]

4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

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What?

 

I didn't quote you so why quote me ? I aimed that at someone else.

Edited May 8, 2018 by ddaryl

[TheElectricCompany]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I always thought his talent was completely overrated.  He was a really good college qb but  I never envisioned he could be a good nfl, even without the other stuff.  But if he is truly learning from the mistakes and trying to make himself a better person, I wish him the best.  But he’s more likely to be the next Chris Herren than Tom Brady.

I agree with having sympathy for him.  I do wonder if some of the same people would have as much sympathy for Kaepernick than a drug abuser who has been alleged to hit women.

 

I thought he head plenty of ability. The 1st round talent was there, but he was too much of a sandlot QB for most coaches. 

We really won't know what he could have been, he was more concerned about getting wasted than playing football. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, TheElectricCompany said:

 

I thought he head plenty of ability. The 1st round talent was there, but he was too much of a sandlot QB for most coaches. 

We really won't know what he could have been, he was more concerned about getting wasted than playing football. 

I thought he was gimmicky.  That offense is a stat padder and he would just run around and throw jump balls to Evans.  I also worry about guys who want to be famous and peak too early.  

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, no one said that.  I just hate hypocrites. People feel more pity for Johnny Manziel than a guy who kneeled.  I love everyone who isn’t a total scumbag.  

Are you Colin Kaepernick?  I've never seen anybody post as much about him in random threads than you.

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

I didn't quote you so why quote me ? I aimed that at someone else.

I found it inflammatory and wanted to understand what your intention was.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I know you're not and I hope others follow suit.

 

This kid is in serious need of professional help.  I know he's a douche.  I know he hits girls.  But he doesn't deserve to die.  This is a very sad story.

 

Does he deserve to be the next New York Attorney General?

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

Are you Colin Kaepernick?  I've never seen anybody post as much about him in random threads than you.

I found it inflammatory and wanted to understand what your intention was.

I just call out BS people who are more supportive of woman beaters and drug abusers than silent protestors.

 

 

[TheElectricCompany]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I thought he was gimmicky.  That offense is a stat padder and he would just run around and throw jump balls to Evans.  I also worry about guys who want to be famous and peak too early.  

Nothing wrong with wanting to be famous. Remember Cam Newton's "entertainer and an icon" comment? 

I don't know if Cleveland was the right scenario for him. Even if it was a perfect environment, the coke lines in the bathroom and Vegas benders never game him a shot. 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just call out BS people who are more supportive of woman beaters and drug abusers than silent protestors.

 

 

This has nothing to do with "support," it has to deal with empathy for your common man.  

 

Hey, look, I feel bad for Johnny Manziel and his struggles and wow, I also feel bad that Colin Kaepernick was punished for doing what he thought was right. Can you believe it?  I exist, right here!

[Doc Brown]

Getting on the right dosage of bipolar meds when newly diagnosed is tricky.  

[Victory Formation]

Haha, wonder how much lithium they got him on, I'm on 2,100mg the max dose is 1,800, I've been on as high as 2,400 but I'm a bull with 20 years of bodybuilding and powerlifting experience, Johnny is what 5'8 180lbs? Could be lithium poisoning, he's a small guy and could be on a huge dose.

[Gugny]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Does he deserve to be the next New York Attorney General?

 

Say you're my property, WEO.   SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!

15 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

This has nothing to do with "support," it has to deal with empathy for your common man.  

 

Hey, look, I feel bad for Johnny Manziel and his struggles and wow, I also feel bad that Colin Kaepernick was punished for doing what he thought was right. Can you believe it?  I exist, right here!

 

Amen, brother.

[JMF2006]

The worst part is some these guys just don't get it.......you play Football/Hockey ect. when your in 20's.

 

The door is closed by the time they wise up in their 30's.

 

 

[BillsFan17]

2 hours ago, jmc12290 said:

It's unlikely he's on antidepressants, but avoiding any kind of drug/alcohol would be important.

Yes, I give a !@#$ about what happens to my fellow human beings.  What kind of monster are you?

Keep virtue signaling on a message board.

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Haha, wonder how much lithium they got him on, I'm on 2,100mg the max dose is 1,800, I've been on as high as 2,400 but I'm a bull with 20 years of bodybuilding and powerlifting experience, Johnny is what 5'8 180lbs? Could be lithium poisoning, he's a small guy and could be on a huge dose.

 

In psychopharmacology, the "max dose" is generally "whatever works and the patient can handle."

 

And it could just as easily be Depakote, Lamictal, Carbamezapine, or various combinations of anti-psychotics and SSRIs.  And some of those can have really nasty side effects (Lamictal, for example, can cause a fatal skin rash where you skin basically just falls off).  

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

Keep virtue signaling on a message board.

"the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue."

 

Seeing as you're the one who demonstrated your "not-so-good character," does that constitute as !@#$ signaling?

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

In psychopharmacology, the "max dose" is generally "whatever works and the patient can handle."

 

And it could just as easily be Depakote, Lamictal, Carbamezapine, or various combinations of anti-psychotics and SSRIs.  And some of those can have really nasty side effects (Lamictal, for example, can cause a fatal skin rash where you skin basically just falls off).  

Johnny said he's on lithium and that's what caused it.

 

Lamotrigine funnily enough is one of the more well-tolerated drugs.  

[BillsFan17]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

"the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue."

 

Seeing as you're the one who demonstrated your "not-so-good character," does that constitute as !@#$ signaling?

No so good character by not giving a... about someone who refuses to take care of them selves. There are too many people in this society that are in worse situations that wouldn't squander away what he has.

 

Dont give me this bleeding heart b/s, I just tend to give more compassion to those who genuinely need it.

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, BillsFan17 said:

No so good character by not giving a... about someone who refuses to take care of them selves. There are too many people in this society that are in worse situations that wouldn't squander away what he has.

 

Dont give me this bleeding heart b/s, I just tend to give more compassion to those who genuinely need it.

There are worse people off than you, and I still sympathize with you.

 

Our hearts are infinite friend. We truly have the capacity to care about everything.  I can care about the poor, and the environment, and Johnny Manziel.  My heart hasn't exploded yet.  Give it a try.

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

"the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue."

 

Seeing as you're the one who demonstrated your "not-so-good character," does that constitute as !@#$ signaling?

Johnny said he's on lithium and that's what caused it.

 

Lamotrigine funnily enough is one of the more well-tolerated drugs.  

 

Yeah, I saw that after I posted.  

 

I know lamotrigine is well-tolerated (I take it), but hell if that "fatal skin rash" thing doesn't scare the hell out of me.  "It's well-tolerated...there's just a very small minority of people whose skin falls off and they die, but most people are perfectly okay."  Imagine saying anything like that about air bags or romaine lettuce.

 

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

There are worse people off than you, and I still sympathize with you.

 

Our hearts are infinite friend. We truly have the capacity to care about everything.  I can care about the poor, and the environment, and Johnny Manziel.  My heart hasn't exploded yet.  Give it a try.

 

Our hearts may be infinite...but my days are finite, and I can't spend ALL of it worrying about everything.

[BillsFan17]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

There are worse people off than you, and I still sympathize with you.

 

Our hearts are infinite friend. We truly have the capacity to care about everything.  I can care about the poor, and the environment, and Johnny Manziel.  My heart hasn't exploded yet.  Give it a try.

I give it a try on Sunday at church, throughout the week in my community, I volunteer, I do as much as I can with the little time I have between work and raising two children.

 

So again, stop this nonsense over a message board. You are not proving anything or making me feel any different about someone who utterly refuses to take care of them selves.

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

Yeah, I saw that after I posted.  

 

I know lamotrigine is well-tolerated (I take it), but hell if that "fatal skin rash" thing doesn't scare the hell out of me.  "It's well-tolerated...there's just a very small minority of people whose skin falls off and they die, but most people are perfectly okay."  Imagine saying anything like that about air bags or romaine lettuce.

 

There's lots of common, well-tolerated meds that can cause SJS.  Like penicillin .

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

I give it a try on Sunday at church, throughout the week in my community, I volunteer, I do as much as I can with the little time I have between work and raising two children.

 

So again, stop this nonsense over a message board. You are not proving anything or making me feel any different about someone who utterly refuses to take care of them selves.

And as busy as you are, you still have time to tell us how much you don't care that another human being is suffering.  Bless your heart. Make sure you tell your congregation.

Edited May 8, 2018 by jmc12290

[BillsFan17]

3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

And as busy as you are, you still have time to tell us how much you don't care that another human being is suffering.  Bless your heart. Make sure you tell your congregation.

Nah we are going to disband because not everyone's heart bleeds for Manziel. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, ddaryl said:

he was diagnosed bi-polar and there is very serious medications involved with that.

 

So before everyone starts assuming he ate a bunch of oxycotins he may actually had a real prescription issue.

 

Lets not just jump in and assume.. Wait for the facts, if there are any new ones besides what has been reported.

 

There is more gossip going on here then actual facts right now

 

...sad that he and his parents are estranged......even though I don't like him as a football player, kid obviously needs help.....

[DC Tom]

6 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

And as busy as you are, you still have time to tell us how much you don't care that another human being is suffering.  Bless your heart. Make sure you tell your congregation.

 

I can't actually care about Johnny Manziel right now, I'm busy fretting over a Brazilian child I don't know with Zika-related microcephaly, then I'm penciled in to empathize with a Swiss car accident victim at 5:30; a resident of Peoria, IL who had their bicycle stolen at 5:40; and a starving Rwandan child at 5:50.  

 

I think the next time I'm free is around 7:30 tonight.  Is it okay if I empathize with Johnny then?

[BringBackOrton]

8 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I can't actually care about Johnny Manziel right now, I'm busy fretting over a Brazilian child I don't know with Zika-related microcephaly, then I'm penciled in to empathize with a Swiss car accident victim at 5:30; a resident of Peoria, IL who had their bicycle stolen at 5:40; and a starving Rwandan child at 5:50.  

 

I think the next time I'm free is around 7:30 tonight.  Is it okay if I empathize with Johnny then?

You should log into thirdworld.com/messageboard and just tell them all you're too busy to care.

Edited May 8, 2018 by jmc12290

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

You should log into thirdworld.com/messageboard and just tell them all you're too busy to care.

 

...that may be a bit misguided......third world folks have very little or any resources, but somehow DO make an effort to help themselves....it is a matter of life and death....think Johnny worries about clean drinking water or food??....NFL's Chris Long has dug 33 clean water wells in East Africa...in Texas, they drill for OIL.......his family has AMPLE resources to get him the help he needs......but estranged parents have turned away and it was not only to recently he (allegedly) sought help...

Edited May 8, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[phypon]

31 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

There are worse people off than you, and I still sympathize with you.

 

Our hearts are infinite friend. We truly have the capacity to care about everything.  I can care about the poor, and the environment, and Johnny Manziel.  My heart hasn't exploded yet.  Give it a try.

You're a very good soul.  It's humbling to see people such as you in the world.  In fact, I'm a little down on my luck right now.  I have no health insurance and I have bank-a-citis.  It's not that I need a "fix", it's actually necessary for me to live.  I would be forever in your honor if you could donate $10,000 to help ease my bank-a-citis. 

 

I know you are a good human.  If you don't have that much you could sign up for several credit cards and do a cash advance on them.  PM me and I will give you the details.  I love all humans and I will most certainly pay you back while at the same time doubling what you've contributed by giving to rich people with all of the means and resources in the world to help themselves but somehow can't by way of donation.   Looking forward to hearing from you!!

[BillsVet]

It can take years to find the right combination of medications to treat bipolar and, as Manziel said, it was a reaction to lithium.  That's not unheard of.   

 

He obviously has to own what's he's done, but it's threads like this which prove the vast majority of people have no idea what major mental illness can do to a person, especially if it's not diagnosed and left untreated. 

 

I hope that kid finds the right dosage(s) of medication and finds his way back to the NFL. But if he doesn't QB another team, that he lives as normal a life as possible. 

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

he was diagnosed bi-polar and there is very serious medications involved with that.

 

So before everyone starts assuming he ate a bunch of oxycotins he may actually had a real prescription issue.

 

Lets not just jump in and assume.. Wait for the facts, if there are any new ones besides what has been reported.

 

There is more gossip going on here then actual facts right now

 

Yes but on previous stories when there were facts he dodged and denied them so in this case it is appropriate.

[phypon]

7 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

It can take years to find the right combination of medications to treat bipolar and, as Manziel said, it was a reaction to lithium.  That's not unheard of.   

 

He obviously has to own what's he's done, but it's threads like this which prove the vast majority of people have no idea what major mental illness can do to a person, especially if it's not diagnosed and left untreated. 

 

I hope that kid finds the right dosage(s) of medication and finds his way back to the NFL. But if he doesn't QB another team, that he lives as normal a life as possible. 

 

 

For the most part, you hit the nail on the head.  I think most people realize what you are saying.  I know one person that is bipolar and one person that has schizophrenia. 

 

I think the problem is that JM has the resources to be properly treated, has acknowledged that he has an issue, yet he still puts himself in bad situations.  He should not put himself in positions where he can slide downhill.  He should have the support, given his resources, to make sure that his medication regimen is on an even keel before doing activities that would be detrimental to his condition.  If he still has a desire to put himself in such a situation he should have people around him to keep watch on him.  I'm saying this because it doesn't look good that he is out at concerts or parties given his condition.

 

- an alcoholic shouldn't go to a bar (at least not one that is not yet stable and secure)

-  a sexaholic should't go to a strip club

- a person with a gambling addiction shouldn't go to a casino

- etc...

 

My bipolar friend had insufficient resources and despite any help I could provide has constantly found nothing but trouble while also constantly putting herself in bad situations.

 

My schizophrenic friend had some trouble early on but pulled himself up tremendously, got the help he needed and stuck to it.  He had less of a support group than my bi-polar friend.  The difference being, my schizophrenic friend did not put himself in bad situations like my bi-polar friend continually does.  Maybe this example is a non-sequitur, but my point is that when someone has the means to help themselves, especially with plenty of resources around them, and they don't, the sympathy level nose dives. 

[Doc]

I hope he gets his life in order and I never have to hear about him again.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

I hope he gets his life in order and I never have to hear about him again.

That would be best for all.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

as much of a circus as he has been since drafted, I hope the kid gets some guidance/help he needs and can get his life in order.

[HOUSE]

This could shorten his career..

[PromoTheRobot]

Don't forget some folks wanted him badly and were mad at the Bills for not taking him.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Don't forget some folks wanted him badly and were mad at the Bills for not taking him.

I do recall that quite well both here and at the BBMB.  

Hell someone may have wanted him THIS season!!!

[Rob's House]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

I can't actually care about Johnny Manziel right now, I'm busy fretting over a Brazilian child I don't know with Zika-related microcephaly, then I'm penciled in to empathize with a Swiss car accident victim at 5:30; a resident of Peoria, IL who had their bicycle stolen at 5:40; and a starving Rwandan child at 5:50.  

 

I think the next time I'm free is around 7:30 tonight.  Is it okay if I empathize with Johnny then?

If you could work in some time for American minorities born in the 90s who have had to deal with a lifetime of oppression they've heard about, then post about how deep your empathy is, we would realize what a good person you are.

[stuvian]

trying not to assume the worst