Do we have the worst QB situation in the league?

[BillsFanForever19]

The worst? Probably not. Is it the biggest unknown in the league? Definitely.

[HappyDays]

32 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Both Eli and Flacco would easily start for the Bills, so how are they worse off?

 

I can confidently say the Ravens have the worst QB situation in the league. Joe Flacco has the 4th highest QB cap hit in 2018, and the 6th highest in 2019. Because of the way his contract is set up the Ravens realistically can't get out of it until 2020. Yet their record over the past 2 years is 17-15 and his passer rating was 24th and 26th in those years. The Ravens know they have a bad situation because they just traded into the 1st round for Lamar Jackson, who reportedly had a mid-round grade from most teams. At least Jackson is a question mark they can lean on. But that awful contract puts them in the worst QB situation in the NFL until at least 2020.

The Giants are in a similar situation but without the question mark to lean on. Manning has the 10th biggest QB cap hit in 2018 and 9th biggest on 2019. Their record over the past 2 years is 14-18 and his passer rating in those years was 22nd and 25th. Their backup is Kyle Lauletta aka Nate Peterman 2.0. And although Eli is 37 years old his GM has given him a vote of confidence and passed up the opportunity in a QB-rich draft to take one at #2 overall.

Until the Bills, Browns, Jets, Chiefs, and Cardinals prove otherwise the Ravens and Giants obviously have the worst QB situations in the NFL.

Edited May 6, 2018 by HappyDays

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I can confidently say the Ravens have the worst QB situation in the league. Joe Flacco has the 4th highest QB cap hit in 2018, and the 6th highest in 2019. Because of the way his contract is set up the Ravens realistically can't get out of it until 2020. Yet their record over the past 2 years is 17-15 and his passer rating was 24th and 26th in those years. The Ravens know they have a bad situation because they just traded into the 1st round for Lamar Jackson, who reportedly had a mid-round grade from most teams. At least Jackson is a question mark they can lean on. But that awful contract puts them in the worst QB situation in the NFL until at least 2020.

The Giants are in a similar situation but without the question mark to lean on. Manning has the 10th biggest QB cap hit in 2018 and 9th biggest on 2019. Their record over the past 2 years is 14-18 and his passer rating in those years was 22nd and 25th. Their backup is Kyle Lauletta aka Nate Peterman 2.0. And although Eli is 37 years old his GM has given him a vote of confidence and passed up the opportunity in a QB-rich draft to take one at #2 overall.

Until the Bills, Browns, Jets, Chiefs, and Cardinals prove otherwise the Ravens and Giants obviously have the worst QB situations in the NFL.

 

Hard to agree with any of this with AJM as the projected starter that no other team wanted, Allen as a boom or bust prospect, and Peterman as a marginal backup QB who might not last in the league. 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Hard to agree with any of this with AJM as the projected starter that no other team wanted, Allen as a boom or bust prospect, and Peterman as a marginal backup QB who might not last in the league. 

 

I'm not saying we have a good situation, I'm saying our situation is a question mark. The Ravens are not a question mark. They're paying Flacco $50 million to be a bottom 10 QB for the next 2 seasons. The Giants have a 37 year old declining QB and no one behind him.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I can confidently say the Ravens have the worst QB situation in the league. Joe Flacco has the 4th highest QB cap hit in 2018, and the 6th highest in 2019. Because of the way his contract is set up the Ravens realistically can't get out of it until 2020. Yet their record over the past 2 years is 17-15 and his passer rating was 24th and 26th in those years. The Ravens know they have a bad situation because they just traded into the 1st round for Lamar Jackson, who reportedly had a mid-round grade from most teams. At least Jackson is a question mark they can lean on. But that awful contract puts them in the worst QB situation in the NFL until at least 2020.

The Giants are in a similar situation but without the question mark to lean on. Manning has the 10th biggest QB cap hit in 2018 and 9th biggest on 2019. Their record over the past 2 years is 14-18 and his passer rating in those years was 22nd and 25th. Their backup is Kyle Lauletta aka Nate Peterman 2.0. And although Eli is 37 years old his GM has given him a vote of confidence and passed up the opportunity in a QB-rich draft to take one at #2 overall.

Until the Bills, Browns, Jets, Chiefs, and Cardinals prove otherwise the Ravens and Giants obviously have the worst QB situations in the NFL.

Ok I can appreciate your argument, but as of right now they’re still better off than we are. But I’m saying like right now, at this very moment. But in 2 yrs Allen might be a bust and Lamar Jackson could be ballin as well ??‍♂️

[atlbillsfan1975]

What’s worse than not having a QB? Thinking you have one. See Miami and Buffalo for the last three years. I would even put Dallas and Tampa in that category.

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I was arguing with a highly uneducated fellow about this earlier. For the record, I love the Allen pick and I think McCarron could be vastly underrated. But as it stands right now at this very moment, is there a team in the league that has a worse QB stable than us? Kansas City is kind of a question mark right now. Trubisky in Chicago has a year under his belt and should be better this season. Once again, I DO LIKE OUR QBs. I just think that on paper currently, we probably have the worst QB situation in the league

 

I don't remembering arguing with you earlier.

 

And no, we don't. We don't know anything yet.  Any of the drafted rookies could fall flat on their face including the guys who were drafted last year.  Most teams are one QB injury away from being the worst.  If Brady breaks a nail, they have nothing. 

 

We have no idea what McCarron can do.  We have no idea what Peterman will do.  Hell, we have no idea what our offensive coordinator will do.  He could make a fool proof system that allows Allen to start. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Impossible to determine right now.

[MAJBobby]

47 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Ok, guy, what do you base it on then? Yes all three of those QBs are projected to be ready for week 1. 

 

The same theory to those looking at us saying we have the worst QB position in the league when ONE Pass has not even been thrown yet. 

 

[Foxx]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I don't remembering arguing with you earlier.

 

And no, we don't. We don't know anything yet.  Any of the drafted rookies could fall flat on their face including the guys who were drafted last year.  Most teams are one QB injury away from being the worst.  If Brady breaks a nail, they have nothing. 

 

We have no idea what McCarron can do.  We have no idea what Peterman will do.  Hell, we have no idea what our offensive coordinator will do.  He could make a fool proof system that allows Allen to start. 

the Patriots have Brian Hoyer. oh, wait.......

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Ok I can appreciate your argument, but as of right now they’re still better off than we are. But I’m saying like right now, at this very moment. But in 2 yrs Allen might be a bust and Lamar Jackson could be ballin as well ??‍♂️

 

That this very moment. Right now has ANY Game been played?  Heck as of Right now this very Moment Indy is in a horrible situation. When was the last time Luck was healthy in a game?

[Seanbillsfan2206]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

The same theory to those looking at us saying we have the worst QB position in the league when ONE Pass has not even been thrown yet. 

 

I’m not going to order dominos because I don’t know what it tastes like. Even though I had dominos last week, and it was delicious 

[MarlinTheMagician]

2 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I was arguing with a highly uneducated fellow about this earlier. For the record, I love the Allen pick and I think McCarron could be vastly underrated. But as it stands right now at this very moment, is there a team in the league that has a worse QB stable than us? Kansas City is kind of a question mark right now. Trubisky in Chicago has a year under his belt and should be better this season. Once again, I DO LIKE OUR QBs. I just think that on paper currently, we probably have the worst QB situation in the league

 

Cardinals, far worse.

[NewEraBills]

39 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I can confidently say the Ravens have the worst QB situation in the league. Joe Flacco has the 4th highest QB cap hit in 2018, and the 6th highest in 2019. Because of the way his contract is set up the Ravens realistically can't get out of it until 2020. Yet their record over the past 2 years is 17-15 and his passer rating was 24th and 26th in those years. The Ravens know they have a bad situation because they just traded into the 1st round for Lamar Jackson, who reportedly had a mid-round grade from most teams. At least Jackson is a question mark they can lean on. But that awful contract puts them in the worst QB situation in the NFL until at least 2020.

The Giants are in a similar situation but without the question mark to lean on. Manning has the 10th biggest QB cap hit in 2018 and 9th biggest on 2019. Their record over the past 2 years is 14-18 and his passer rating in those years was 22nd and 25th. Their backup is Kyle Lauletta aka Nate Peterman 2.0. And although Eli is 37 years old his GM has given him a vote of confidence and passed up the opportunity in a QB-rich draft to take one at #2 overall.

Until the Bills, Browns, Jets, Chiefs, and Cardinals prove otherwise the Ravens and Giants obviously have the worst QB situations in the NFL.

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He has no guaranteed money after 2018.

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 

He has no guaranteed money after 2018.

 

If they cut him after this season they will have to pay $16 million in dead cap. Not sure what his guarantees are but I always look at the cap number.

[ProcessYaDigg]

2 hours ago, wppete said:

 

 

Miami

Arizona

Jacksonville

 

Good call!  Those 3 teams are the exact ones that came to my mind when I read the post.  Tannehill may be seasoned, but he's definitely not worthy enough to take his team to the playoffs.  If Bradford can actually stay healthy, then we can cross Arizona off this list.  But we all know that he can't even make it to the halfway point of any season, and then they'll be left with the overrated cockiness of Rosen.  And good gosh, Bortles is just not good at all.  I hope he spreads out his paycheck to his defense, because they deserve all the credit for him still being their starter.

[Sky Diver]

2 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I was arguing with a highly uneducated fellow about this earlier. For the record, I love the Allen pick and I think McCarron could be vastly underrated. But as it stands right now at this very moment, is there a team in the league that has a worse QB stable than us? Kansas City is kind of a question mark right now. Trubisky in Chicago has a year under his belt and should be better this season. Once again, I DO LIKE OUR QBs. I just think that on paper currently, we probably have the worst QB situation in the league

 

I’ll reserve judgement until McCarron or Allen actually throw a pass.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I was arguing with a highly uneducated fellow about this earlier. For the record, I love the Allen pick and I think McCarron could be vastly underrated. But as it stands right now at this very moment, is there a team in the league that has a worse QB stable than us? Kansas City is kind of a question mark right now. Trubisky in Chicago has a year under his belt and should be better this season. Once again, I DO LIKE OUR QBs. I just think that on paper currently, we probably have the worst QB situation in the league

 

In terms of demonstrated QB track record in the NFL, I would have to say - I think there's a handful of contenders

 

-Indy, because of the uncertainty around Andrew Luck's injury makes it by no means a sure thing he comes back near his previous form and based on what they've shown so far McCarron > Brissett. 

-Chicago, because Trubisky might improve in his 2nd year, but based on what they've shown so far McCarron > Trubisky

 

If the question is "what teams have the lowest QB ceiling or potential?" then we would move up and perhaps Miami would move down, but right now, Tannehill has shown more than McCarron in the league, and Allen has shown nothin'.  Ditto Tampa Bay and Jax - in terms of what they've shown so far (YPG, etc) Winston and Bortles have shown more than McCarron.

 

Interesting question. 

[Sky Diver]

We significant upgraded the QB position since last year. Allen is a stud and McCarron is better then Taylor.

 

I don’t get the hand wringing and gloom and doom.

 

 

[NewEraBills]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If they cut him after this season they will have to pay $16 million in dead cap. Not sure what his guarantees are but I always look at the cap number.

Might be affordable for them.  Suggs will most likely be coming off the books soon too along with Jimmy Smith, Eric Weddle, the Dennis Pitta contract.

[eball]

2 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

The homer in me is saying that McCarron is going to turn a lot of heads this year. But I’m basing that off of blind homerism. He’s thrown 14 passes in the last 2 years. I’d be shocked if he wasn’t named the starter for week one. Actually I’d be mad if he wasn’t. No need to rush the rookie right in

 

Not directed at you per se but I don't like this way of thinking.  Let things play out through OTAs and training camp.  If Allen is playing the best you play him.  If McCarron is playing the best you play him.  If Peterman is playing the best (shudder) then pack it in for the season.

 

Everyone assumes Allen will not be ready yet, but nobody knows.

[Sky Diver]

The Peterman hate is over the top too. In the SD game he had no blocking and he lost his top receiver early in the game. He’s a capable backup.

[HOUSE]

We won't have worst until Josh Allen throws his first INT 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, wppete said:

 

 

Miami

Arizona

Jacksonville

 

 

Indy 

 

(there, I said it)

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Indy 

 

(there, I said it)

 

Luck and Brissett both say 

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

We won't have worst until Josh Allen throws his first INT 

 

 

 

Probably his first incompletion then we’ll be hearing how inaccurate he is.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Luck and Brissett both say 

 

Has Luck thrown an adult sized leather football yet? Or is he in Michael Jackson's hyperbaric chamber at this point?

[Sky Diver]

McCarron is mid tier with the potential to move into the top third.

[eball]

9 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

The Peterman hate is over the top too. In the SD game he had no blocking and he lost his top receiver early in the game. He’s a capable backup.

 

His NFL body of work to date suggests otherwise.  That's not to say he can't prove the doubters wrong, but as of now you have no evidence with which you may support that statement.

 

Edited May 6, 2018 by eball

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Has Luck thrown an adult sized leather football yet? Or is he in Michael Jackson's hyperbaric chamber at this point?

 

If the Colts had any worries they would have drafted a QB as opposed to trading down to select a guard. 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If the Colts had any worries they would have drafted a QB as opposed to trading down to select a guard. 

 

This is jim irsay and co....

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

His NFL body of work to date suggests otherwise.  That's not to say he can't prove the doubters wrong, but as of now you have no evidence with witch you may support that statement.

 

Define “body of work”. One half of football?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

This is jim irsay and co....

 

No. It's Chris Ballard and Frank Reich. 

[eball]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

Define “body of work”. One half of football?

 

Worst. Debut.  Ever.  Do I really need to say more?  Just relax.  He'll get his chance in training camp.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No. It's Chris Ballard and Frank Reich. 

 

Frank just walked in on that crapshow.  The whole saga of this guy's injury has been tragically handled.  He hadn't thrown hardly or maybe at all by the draft.  How do they know he's cured of whatever it was that ailed him?

Edited May 6, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[26CornerBlitz]

7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

McCarron is mid tier with the potential to move into the top third.

 

Mid tier? As a starting QB in the NFL?  No he certainly is not. 

[keepthefaith]

24 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

We significant upgraded the QB position since last year. Allen is a stud and McCarron is better then Taylor.

 

I don’t get the hand wringing and gloom and doom.

 

 

 

Agree that the QB position now should be an upgrade over last year.  Taylor while a lovable character and a great athlete would have had the Bills moving on in the playoffs if he could have mustered any offense against the Jags.

 

Allen should have a bit more upside compared to Joe Webb, right?  Peterman as bad as he was in the first half of the SD game is better for having had that experience.   McCarron doesn't have to be great to be better than Taylor IMO. 

[BigDingus]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

No we dont. 

 

Cle, Chi, Indy (Luck throwing yet?), Jax, MIA, Hou (How will Watson respond to Knee), BAL

 

No, those are all superior to ours.

Cleveland - Tyrod Taylor has 3 years of starting experience and 8 years in the league. They also have Drew Stanton, been in the league since 2008 and has played in 5 times as many games as our roster combined.

Chicago - Trubisky showed promise, and got his rookie season out of the way. He has twice as many starts as our roster combined. 

 

Indy - Andrew Luck is returning, and either way he's had more success than anyone the Bills have had since Kelly. Just backing him up and training with him is valuable. They also have Jacoby Brissett who started games with the Patriots & played a year under Bill Belichick, coupled with playing all 16 games last season. Again, over twice as many starts as our unit combined. He posted 3,098 yards (more than Tyrod ever has), 13 TD's and 7 INT's for an 81.7 rating, which is admirable with the roster he had.

Jacksonville - Made it to the AFC Championship game last year & almost beat the Patriots. Bortles may not be ideal, but he has a TON more experience than our guys, playing all but 2 games for 4 straight seasons. Threw for 3,687 yards, 21 TD's and 13 INT's last year with an 84.7 rating. Better than what we've had. 

Miami - Tannehill is back, and has again, been better than anything we've had for 18+ years. Far more starts than our unit combined, along with Brock Osweiler, who's not very good but is better & than Peterman at least, and also has more starts than our unit combined.

 

Houston - Watson showed he's the real deal. Along with him, they have Brandon Weeden who's a quality veteran backup, something again we don't have. Still more starts than our unit combined.

Baltimore - Joe Flacco isn't great, but he's at least decent and won a Super Bowl. He has shown he can play well when he wants to, and has far more experience (getting old stating this) than everyone we have combined. As backups, they have RGIII, and Lamar Jackson. RGIII and Flacco can teach their rookie in Jackson far more than Peterman and McCarron can teach Allen.

 

[White Linen]

Depends on how you look at the question.  This year we may have one of the worst but we have a rookie prospect.  I don't think it is but I'm basing that on the opportunity Allen gives us.    It's about what teams you wouldn't want to be now or who would I trade my situation for - for theirs..

 

Giants - No

Tampa - No

Colts - No

Arizona - No

Carolina - No

Browns - No

Detroit - No

Titans - No

Jax - No

Ravens - No (close)

Dolphins - No

Bengals - No

Chiefs - No

Denver - No

Redskins - No

Cowboys - No

 

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2018 by White Linen

[Magox]

1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I’m not going to order dominos because I don’t know what it tastes like. Even though I had dominos last week, and it was delicious