Browns at 2

[Skins Malone]

Not sure if this has been discussed here but what about the Browns moving up to grab the second pick.  I havent heard anyone on the sports shows discuss but i think its possible it could happen.

 

The browns have the most draft stock.  So they take Darnold at one...i dont think its ridiculous to think that they could then swap picks with the giants.  The Browns could then grab Darnold and the "best player" in the draft in Barkley.  The giants now get some picks and only have to move to 4.  Which means they could grab a top QB or Bradley.

 

I dont think it shakes out that way..but i think its certainly possible enough to warrant discussion.

 

What do you guys think?

Edited April 20, 2018 by Skins Malone

[Sweats]

Aye Carumba 

 

Where do I begin?

[Skins Malone]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

Aye Carumba 

 

Where do I begin?

Im sorry whats so ridiculous about it?  And its for some fun discussion.  Relax.

[BruceVilanch]

I guess by the standard "Anything is possible" argument it could happen, but I don't see how that could really benefit the Browns, they have needs all over the place and would be stupid to move up 2 spots and give up draft capital in the process. I certainly wouldn't move up to select a RB at #2.

[CLTbills]

No way. It's the Browns, but they're not THAT incompetent.

[Skins Malone]

Just now, Jeetz1231 said:

I guess by the standard "Anything is possible" argument it could happen, but I don't see how that could really benefit the Browns, they have needs all over the place and would be stupid to move up 2 spots and give up draft capital in the process. I certainly wouldn't move up to select a RB at #2.

Neither would i.  And i dont think ot will.  But if you were the Browns GM do you think they have considered it?

[Just Joshin']

Better idea than the post that said the Browns were going to pick a QB at 1 and 4.

[Skins Malone]

Please lock thread...being duscussed elsewhere.

14 minutes ago, Dalton said:

 

[Shaw66]

Maybe it could happen 

 

Everyone says the Giants want Barkley, which means I guess that they don't feel like they need to solve their QB problem this year.   Okay, if that's true, that the Giants are going to slide on a QB, then the Browns have to take Barkley at 1, leaving the Giants standing at the altar without a bride.   Then the Gmen have ten minutes to make a deal with the Browns.    They've already decided they don't want a QB, so they're looking at some other position.   Anyone they see at 2 they can get at 4, I suppose, because the Jets are taking the best QB on the board.   So maybe the Giants swing a quick deal with the Browns, pick up a pick by moving back two spots and get the guy they would have taken at 2.   Or, the Giants move back to 4 and immediately call the Bills, with whom they've already had discussions, and another team or two, with whom they've already had discussions, and swing a quick deal to move back some more.   Get maybe 12 and a second round pick from the Bills.   

 

Could it happen?   I suppose.    But if the Giants like a QB and Barkley over the QB was a close call for them, then when the Browns take Barkley at 1, the Giants take the QB and have no interest in trading back.  

 

 

 

By the way, I really disagree with this "lock this thread" stuff.  

 

How is anyone supposed to know if the same subject is being discussed in another thread?   Unless the title to the thread makes it clear that it's about the Browns moving to 2, how do you know without reading every thread and seeing which threads have meandered into a subject different from the title?

 

If there are people on this thread who want to talk about the title of the thread, in my mind it's a legitimate thread that is entitled to its own life. 

Edited April 20, 2018 by Shaw66

[BuffaloRebound]

I actually think this is a smart play by the Browns.  They have enough young guys on their roster and 5 picks in the top 64.  If Barkley is the number 1 player on their board, I’d give the Giants pick 33 to grab Barkley.  

[Shaw66]

25 minutes ago, Jeetz1231 said:

I guess by the standard "Anything is possible" argument it could happen, but I don't see how that could really benefit the Browns, they have needs all over the place and would be stupid to move up 2 spots and give up draft capital in the process. I certainly wouldn't move up to select a RB at #2.

It benefits the Browns because they could get Barkley and the QB they want.   

 

Right now, if they go QB at 1, they probably lose Barkley to the Giants.   If they go Barkley at 1, they probably lose the QB they want because the Jets might take him or the Giants or the Giants' trade partner might take him.   But if they take Barkley at one and then trade with the Giants because the Giants really don't want a QB that high, they are sure to get the QB they want.   The Giants don't care, because if they're taking a non-QB, they can afford to trade back to 4 without losing out on their second choice.    It could make sense for the Browns and the Giants.  

[Dadonkadonk]

I think the Browns will draft Chubb or the OG from ND at 4 even if Barkely is still there.  They can get an elite defender or OL and get a running back later.  

This scenario then allows Denver to take Barkely and would still leave one of the top 4 quarterbacks on the board at 6.

[TheElectricCompany]

12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Maybe it could happen 

 

Everyone says the Giants want Barkley, which means I guess that they don't feel like they need to solve their QB problem this year.   Okay, if that's true, that the Giants are going to slide on a QB, then the Browns have to take Barkley at 1, leaving the Giants standing at the altar without a bride.   Then the Gmen have ten minutes to make a deal with the Browns.    They've already decided they don't want a QB, so they're looking at some other position.   Anyone they see at 2 they can get at 4, I suppose, because the Jets are taking the best QB on the board.   So maybe the Giants swing a quick deal with the Browns, pick up a pick by moving back two spots and get the guy they would have taken at 2.   Or, the Giants move back to 4 and immediately call the Bills, with whom they've already had discussions, and another team or two, with whom they've already had discussions, and swing a quick deal to move back some more.   Get maybe 12 and a second round pick from the Bills.   

 

I do think Gettleman goes with BPA at #2. Nobody is going to blow him away with an offer. 

He talked about "seeing your player in a gold jacket". There are 3 guys that project so favorably right now, and that's Chubb, Barkley and Nelson.

I can see them making a move from #34 up into the late 1st to get a QB. 

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, Dadonkadonk said:

I think the Browns will draft Chubb or the OG from ND at 4 even if Barkely is still there.  They can get an elite defender or OL and get a running back later.  

This scenario then allows Denver to take Barkely and would still leave one of the top 4 quarterbacks on the board at 6.

This post demonstrates how much fun, and how pointless, it is to speculate about the draft.   

 

Do the Giants want a QB or don't they?   Makes a big difference.

 

Do the Broncos want a QB or don't they?   

 

Is Barkely a transcendent player who must be taken ASAP (by the Giants or the Browns)?

 

Without knowing the answers to questions like these, everything is just guess work.   That's what makes it so tough for the Bills to decide what to do.   That's why the Bills have to have had conversations with all the teams with the top 6 picks, so that when the draft begins to unfold they can make a quick deal, if necessary. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Anything is possible.  Just ask James Comey!

[Shaw66]

3 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

I do think Gettleman goes with BPA at #2. Nobody is going to blow him away with an offer. 

He talked about "seeing your player in a gold jacket". There are 3 guys that project so favorably right now, and that's Chubb, Barkley and Nelson.

I can see them making a move from #34 up into the late 1st to get a QB. 

 

If that's true, then it depends if Gettleman has his heart set on only one of the three, or if he'd be with one of two or one of three.   Because if he'd be happy with any of two or three, he can trade back with the Browns, let the Browns take one of his two and get the other, together with a nice pick from the Browns.   

 

More likely, however, that you're right.   There's a guy he REALLY likes, and he isn't going to give the Browns an opportunity to take him.   

 

BUT, if the Browns take Gettleman's guy at #1, it makes sense that Gettleman would be willing to trade back to #4 with the Browns, because Gettleman knows that the Browns and Jets both will take QBs and Gettleman can pick up his second choice plus a free pick.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

47 minutes ago, Skins Malone said:

Not sure if this has been discussed here but what about the Browns moving up to grab the second pick.  I havent heard anyone on the sports shows discuss but i think its possible it could happen.

 

The browns have the most draft stock.  So they take Darnold at one...i dont think its ridiculous to think that they could then swap picks with the giants.  The Browns could then grab Darnold and the "best player" in the draft in Barkley.  The giants now get some picks and only have to move to 4.  Which means they could grab a top QB or Bradley.

 

I dont think it shakes out that way..but i think its certainly possible enough to warrant discussion.

 

What do you guys think?

 

They may take Barkley at 1 and Allen at 4. 

[BarleyNY]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Every-NFL-Draft-selection-made-by-Cleveland-Browns-John-Dorsey-112328382/Amp

 

There’s a list of all of John Dorsey’s draft picks. He has never spent higher than a 3rd on a RB - and he’s been very successful doing that.  He’s not picking Barkley. 

Edited April 20, 2018 by BarleyNY

[ExWNYer]

48 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Aye Carumba 

 

Where do I begin?

 

You could begin by pointing out the misleading thread title.

 

OP...'Browns at 2' is misleading. 'Browns at 2?' is not. 'Could/Should the Browns move down to 2?' is even better.

[TheElectricCompany]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

If that's true, then it depends if Gettleman has his heart set on only one of the three, or if he'd be with one of two or one of three.   Because if he'd be happy with any of two or three, he can trade back with the Browns, let the Browns take one of his two and get the other, together with a nice pick from the Browns.   

 

More likely, however, that you're right.   There's a guy he REALLY likes, and he isn't going to give the Browns an opportunity to take him.   

 

BUT, if the Browns take Gettleman's guy at #1, it makes sense that Gettleman would be willing to trade back to #4 with the Browns, because Gettleman knows that the Browns and Jets both will take QBs and Gettleman can pick up his second choice plus a free pick.  

 

There are many possible scenarios in picks 1-6... 

With a Browns trade, we could see QBs go 1-2-3-4 completely unprecedented, but it could happen. 

Here's a scenario we have not explored yet.....Barkley and Chubb going in the top #2. Browns could see the top 3 QB prospects as the same and be fine with whoever is available at #4. 

That could make for quite an interesting trade market. 

[jkirchofer]

1 hour ago, Skins Malone said:

Not sure if this has been discussed here but what about the Browns moving up to grab the second pick.  I havent heard anyone on the sports shows discuss but i think its possible it could happen.

 

The browns have the most draft stock.  So they take Darnold at one...i dont think its ridiculous to think that they could then swap picks with the giants.  The Browns could then grab Darnold and the "best player" in the draft in Barkley.  The giants now get some picks and only have to move to 4.  Which means they could grab a top QB or Bradley.

 

I dont think it shakes out that way..but i think its certainly possible enough to warrant discussion.

 

What do you guys think?

I know that I have heard that if the Browns actually use all of their draft capital they would not be able to afford the contracts in the future. I can't imagine it would take much to move from four to two if they really wanted to get it done.

[Shaw66]

19 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

There are many possible scenarios in picks 1-6... 

With a Browns trade, we could see QBs go 1-2-3-4 completely unprecedented, but it could happen. 

Here's a scenario we have not explored yet.....Barkley and Chubb going in the top #2. Browns could see the top 3 QB prospects as the same and be fine with whoever is available at #4. 

That could make for quite an interesting trade market. 

Another fine example.   

 

To be honest, I know very little about the QBs and NOTHING about anyone else.   Don't know who Chubb is, where's he's from or what position he plays.   I at least can answer those questions about Barkely, but nothing beyond that.    I just can't get interested.   It's enough to know there are possibly four and maybe more good QBs in this draft, along with the usual two or three super-studs at other positions, guys who would be going 1-2-3 if EJ Manuel were the best QB in the draft.   

 

In that kind of a draft, you're going to see exactly what we've seen and will continue to see.   Moves to get into position, and speculation about a lot of other moves.   The Bills, beginning with the Chiefs deal last season, have put themselves in the mix.   The Jets made a great move to 3.  The Browns, of course, set themselves up beautifully.   The Giants have a tough decision to make.   Broncos seem to me to be a big wildcard.   

 

For fans whose teams are in the mix, is interesting, crazy, fascinating and fun.  

5 minutes ago, jkirchofer said:

I know that I have heard that if the Browns actually use all of their draft capital they would not be able to afford the contracts in the future. I can't imagine it would take much to move from four to two if they really wanted to get it done.

Now that's a really interesting point.    If the Browns win big with their two first-round picks, their cap situation in four years gets very complicated.   They'll have a $30 million QB and a $20 million running back to deal with.   

[NewEra]

If I’m the browns, that would be my plan.  Get the qb you want most and the best player in the draft and a guy that would take lots of pressure off of that QB

[KDIGGZ]

It would make no sense. Giants want Barkley. Why would they trade down and let Browns take him? Plus browns would have to give up a major asset to trade up. Not to mention Barkley's camp doesn't want him to play for Cleveland. Anything is possible but there's about a 0.1% chance of this happening

Edited April 20, 2018 by kdiggz

[Putin]

1 hour ago, Skins Malone said:

Not sure if this has been discussed here but what about the Browns moving up to grab the second pick.  I havent heard anyone on the sports shows discuss but i think its possible it could happen.

 

The browns have the most draft stock.  So they take Darnold at one...i dont think its ridiculous to think that they could then swap picks with the giants.  The Browns could then grab Darnold and the "best player" in the draft in Barkley.  The giants now get some picks and only have to move to 4.  Which means they could grab a top QB or Bradley.

 

I dont think it shakes out that way..but i think its certainly possible enough to warrant discussion.

 

What do you guys think?

If Giants want a QB why would they move to 4 ? When you got Jets sitting @ 3 ! 

 

[Epstein's Mother]

13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

 

For fans whose teams are in the mix, is interesting, crazy, fascinating and fun.  

Now that's a really interesting point.    If the Browns win big with their two first-round picks, their cap situation in four years gets very complicated.   They'll have a $30 million QB and a $20 million running back to deal with.   

 

Those are the types of problems Brown's fans would love to have.

[Shaw66]

9 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

It would make no sense. Giants want Barkley. Why would they trade down and let Browns take him? Plus browns would have to give up a major asset to trade up. Not to mention Barkley's camp doesn't want him to play for Cleveland. Anything is possible but there's about a 0.1% chance of this happening

Browns take Barkely at 1.  If Giants don't want a QB they don't need to stay at 2.  They can go to 4 and still get the guy they would have taken at 2.  

[cle23]

16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Another fine example.   

 

To be honest, I know very little about the QBs and NOTHING about anyone else.   Don't know who Chubb is, where's he's from or what position he plays.   I at least can answer those questions about Barkely, but nothing beyond that.    I just can't get interested.   It's enough to know there are possibly four and maybe more good QBs in this draft, along with the usual two or three super-studs at other positions, guys who would be going 1-2-3 if EJ Manuel were the best QB in the draft.   

 

In that kind of a draft, you're going to see exactly what we've seen and will continue to see.   Moves to get into position, and speculation about a lot of other moves.   The Bills, beginning with the Chiefs deal last season, have put themselves in the mix.   The Jets made a great move to 3.  The Browns, of course, set themselves up beautifully.   The Giants have a tough decision to make.   Broncos seem to me to be a big wildcard.   

 

For fans whose teams are in the mix, is interesting, crazy, fascinating and fun.  

Now that's a really interesting point.    If the Browns win big with their two first-round picks, their cap situation in four years gets very complicated.   They'll have a $30 million QB and a $20 million running back to deal with.   

That's not how it works though. The 4th year option is based on the 10 highest salaries at your position,  not by draft slot.  The QB would garner a ton of money but I doubt Barkley would be $20 million. Either way, that 4 years of great play to figure it out.

[Shaw66]

8 minutes ago, Putin said:

If Giants want a QB why would they move to 4 ? When you got Jets sitting @ 3 ! 

 

True.  But if they don't a QB, they can move to 4, pick up a draft pick and still get the guy they want. 

Just now, cle23 said:

That's not how it works though. The 4th year option is based on the 10 highest salaries at your position,  not by draft slot.  The QB would garner a ton of money but I doubt Barkley would be $20 million. Either way, that 4 years of great play to figure it out.

Okay, fifth year.   The point is that both picks become free agents about the same time, and if you've hit big on them, you'll have to invest a lot of money to keep them, whenever it happens.   

 

Doesn't mean you don't do it, because, as you say, you've had them for 4-5 years, and that's as much of a run as you can expect to have in the league.   Look at the Seahawks.   

[MarkyMannn]

21 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Now that's a really interesting point.    If the Browns win big with their two first-round picks, their cap situation in four years gets very complicated.   They'll have a $30 million QB and a $20 million running back to deal with.   

Browns won one game in 2 seasons and they are to worry about the cap? 

 

If they get their QB at #1, my plan if I was them take Barkley at 4 if they can get him there.  I wouldn't even think about trading out

[PastorMKC]

It would cost us 35 and 97 this year and probably a 4th rd. pick next year ...

[KDIGGZ]

9 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Browns take Barkely at 1.  If Giants don't want a QB they don't need to stay at 2.  They can go to 4 and still get the guy they would have taken at 2.  

They won't they need a QB. They can't chance anyone trading up before they pick at 4 and taking their guy.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Skins Malone said:

Not sure if this has been discussed here but what about the Browns moving up to grab the second pick.  I havent heard anyone on the sports shows discuss but i think its possible it could happen.

 

The browns have the most draft stock.  So they take Darnold at one...i dont think its ridiculous to think that they could then swap picks with the giants.  The Browns could then grab Darnold and the "best player" in the draft in Barkley.  The giants now get some picks and only have to move to 4.  Which means they could grab a top QB or Bradley.

 

I dont think it shakes out that way..but i think its certainly possible enough to warrant discussion.

 

What do you guys think?

I doubt the Browns do, but I'm all in on thinking the Jets may move to 2. They're already all in on QB this year and wouldn't cost them much more to make sure someone else doesn't jump them.

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

They won't they need a QB. They can't chance anyone trading up before they pick at 4 and taking their guy.

First, we don't know they'll take a QB.   If they were desperate for a QB, there wouldn't be all this talk about them taking Barkely.   

 

And it really depends, as it does with every team, how they evaluate the QBs.   Would you be happy with the third best QB in the draft?    I think I would be.    So if the Browns take Barkely at 1, the Giants know they can trade back to 4 and get either the third best QB in the draft or the best position player after Barkely, plus maybe the Browns pick at the top of the second round.   

 

It all depends on what and who is important to the Giants.  

[26CornerBlitz]

Brown usually does mean #2.

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I doubt the Browns do, but I'm all in on thinking the Jets may move to 2. They're already all in on QB this year and wouldn't cost them much more to make sure someone else doesn't jump them.

Another possible scenario.   Jets would hate it if the Bills somehow moved to 2 and took their guy.  

 

Of course, if the Giants want a QB, it's all moot.   Then three QBs will go off the board in the first four picks, and the Bills may be looking at their 4th choice before they have a chance to do anything.   

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I could see this happening if the Browns really want Barkley. It would make it cheaper for us to trade up for a QB. 

[Skins Malone]

Thanks for the responses.  This actually turned into a good discussion.  It was locked my a mod for some reason then unlocked after i messaged him.  Anyway, like many said so many crazy things can happen it makes talking about all this stuff so much fun.

 

I know many think this is a ridiculous scenario but i would not be surprised if the browns have at least discussed the possibility no matter how unlikely.  I was just thinking about the draft today and i was like i wonder if this could actually happen.  Wanted to see what you guys thoughts.

 

Thanks for the posts.  

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

3 hours ago, Skins Malone said:

Not sure if this has been discussed here but what about the Browns moving up to grab the second pick.  I havent heard anyone on the sports shows discuss but i think its possible it could happen.

 

The browns have the most draft stock.  So they take Darnold at one...i dont think its ridiculous to think that they could then swap picks with the giants.  The Browns could then grab Darnold and the "best player" in the draft in Barkley.  The giants now get some picks and only have to move to 4.  Which means they could grab a top QB or Bradley.

 

I dont think it shakes out that way..but i think its certainly possible enough to warrant discussion.

 

What do you guys think?

 

It could happen I just don't like the move for the Browns, just let the chips fall where they may, they have a ton of picks, they'll get 2 stud players at 1 +4 , no need to move up imo. Get your QB and you will either get RB Saquan Barkley, Edge Rusher Bradley Chubb, star corner Mincah Fitzpatrick or mauling G Quentin Nelson, all of them would add an awesome presence to a team I feel is on the rise after many.many terrible years.

[Skins Malone]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

It could happen I just don't like the move for the Browns, just let the chips fall where they may, they have a ton of picks, they'll get 2 stud players at 1 +4 , no need to move up imo. Get your QB and you will either get RB Saquan Barkley, Edge Rusher Bradley Chubb, star corner Mincah Fitzpatrick or mauling G Quentin Nelson, all of them would add an awesome presence to a team I feel is on the rise after many.many terrible years.

I agree.  For the sake of browns fans i hope the team starts to turn the corner.  They are right up there with the Bills for teams that just havent been able to get it going.  Hopefully we are both on the rise in the near future.

Edited April 20, 2018 by Skins Malone