PAuline: agreement in principle with giants

[KGun12TD]

17 years of garbage and people still want to play the "QB will fall" garbage. McBeane should go and get the QB they want. DONE!

[SoTier]

15 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

So basically we are moving up if the dominoes fall in place for everyone else.

 

 

 

Including the Bills.  That's what you want, though, and that's how smart GMs operate.  That's why these kind of trades happen on draft day when the team with the higher pick is on the clock.   A team doesn't trade up just to get "a player" (well, maybe if they're the Jests they do), but "the player they want".  What's the point of trading up if the guy you want is already gone?

 

Obviously, the Giants want a player that they think Cleveland might want, too.  If Cleveland doesn't take him, then they aren't trading.  If Cleveland doesn't, they open to a trade -- provided that Cleveland didn't take the player the Bills wanted. 

[Juror#8]

24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Instead of getting the hottest girl at the bar, I’m going to wait until bar closing and hopefully a non-beast will be left.  It’s a great strategy.

 

Or you could look at it like the hottest chick in the bar is in fact an escort whom you’d have to give cash to in order to get some lay. 

 

Also, you’re out of prophylactics and there is at least a 50% chance that the hottest chick in the bar has that clap. 

 

So you could stick with the non-beast chick and get some perfectly good ass that perhaps provides decades of enjoyment at no additional cost and with no concomitant risk of vd’n it up ...

 

.... or you could endeavor to turn a hooker into a housewife while hoping to avoid getting gonorrhea in the process - the latter of which is becoming increasingly difficult since you’ve used all your prophylactic money for the next three years on the chick’s escort bill and her burgeoning meth habit. 

 

Good luck. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Juror#8

[blitzboy54]

Who's Pauline?

[reddogblitz]

Bills are gonna take who they take and I'm gonna root for them like I did with JP, Trent, Fitz, Brian Brohm, and Kyle Orton.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

Who's Pauline?

One of the girls at the bar?

[Harryhood280]

Listening to a lot of NY sports guys lately - many seem to be of the opinion that the Giants love Darnold. If CLE takes him, the Giants will trade out, if they take Allen or Rosen, the Giants stay put. 

 

If it goes Allen at 1 and Darnold at 2 to the Giants, the Bills would probably be looking at trading to 4 or 5 for Rosen or Mayfield so they don’t get jumped by someone else. 

[BigBuff423]

12 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

In your analogy it sounds like we are trading away 4 years of drafts rather than 3-4 picks. I mean once again if we take the "projected" trade we still have:

2018

1st (#2 overall)

2nd

3rd

4th

5th 

6th

 

2019

2nd

3rd

4th

5th

6th

7th

 

Um, no...you don't have a 2nd this year. Also, do you not understand how marriage / divorce works? In the original analogy it's taking home the hottest girl early in the sifting process but that analogy insinuates you get your ride, then she goes home...but in this case, if you jump on the hottest girl, because of the cost involved, it is much more like marriage and what you have to "give up" to get the hottest girl...also, like in divorce, you don't get to just dump her and walk away with nothing more than a few hours of your life inconvenienced. Like in divorce, should you decide it's not working, you've lost significant amount of money, time, effort and lost out on other women who may have been a better fit had you not been so hot to jump on the pretty girl.

 

In other words, if you're going up to the bar to hit on the girl to take her home because she's the hottest in your opinion, you better be ready to marry her and give up everything I mentioned without really knowing who she is or what she brings into your house. If we were sitting at #2, then that would much more like being set up on a blind date, where she's smokin' hot and you decide to give it a go, but what you forfeit to get her is WAAAAAAAYYYY less....because it would be just 1 pick in a single year....

[Carter]

Yes.  we are moving up to 2!!!!!

 

 

Yeeeesssssssss!!!!

amazing!!!!!!!!

 

thanks for the news op!!!

 

Darnold!!! Rosen!!!! Our franchise!!!

[Turk71]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

One of the girls at the bar?

She works at the DMV and knows someone.

Edited April 18, 2018 by Turk71

[Bill_with_it]

2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

Um, no...you don't have a 2nd this year. Also, do you not understand how marriage / divorce works? In the original analogy it's taking home the hottest girl early in the sifting process but that analogy insinuates you get your ride, then she goes home...but in this case, if you jump on the hottest girl, because of the cost involved, it is much more like marriage and what you have to "give up" to get the hottest girl...also, like in divorce, you don't get to just dump her and walk away with nothing more than a few hours of your life inconvenienced. Like in divorce, should you decide it's not working, you've lost significant amount of money, time, effort and lost out on other women who may have been a better fit had you not been so hot to jump on the pretty girl.

 

In other words, if you're going up to the bar to hit on the girl to take her home because she's the hottest in your opinion, you better be ready to marry her and give up everything I mentioned without really knowing who she is or what she brings into your house. If we were sitting at #2, then that would much more like being set up on a blind date, where she's smokin' hot and you decide to give it a go, but what you forfeit to get her is WAAAAAAAYYYY less....because it would be just 1 pick in a single year....

So its ok to potentially waste a first round draft pick on settling for a qb ala Manuel, waiting for that “Potential” to come to fruition, and letting the fans sit through more non playoff seasons. Right now we have literally nothing in the closet capable of being a playoff qb. That doesnt change by hoping, it only changes by doing something about it. 

[CuddyDark]

So basically as we've thought for weeks, if the Browns take Darnold they'll trade down, if not they wont?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Juror#8 said:

 

Or you could look at it like the hottest chick in the bar is in fact an escort whom you’d have to give cash to in order to get some lay. 

 

Also, you’re out of prophylactics and there is at least a 50% chance that the hottest chick in the bar has that clap. 

 

So you could stick with the non-beast chick and get some perfectly good ass that perhaps provides decades of enjoyment at no additional cost and with no concomitant risk of vd’n it up ...

 

.... or you could endeavor to turn a hooker into a housewife while hoping to avoid getting gonorrhea in the process - the latter of which is becoming increasingly difficult since you’ve used all your prophylactic money for the next three years on the chick’s escort bill and her burgeoning meth habit. 

 

Good luck. 

 

Woaoa now who is a fun guy to have at a party?

[crack]

10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

Bills are gonna take who they take and I'm gonna root for them like I did with JP, Trent, Fitz, Brian Brohm, and Kyle Orton.

 

You didn't root for EJ?

[What a Tuel]

11 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

Um, no...you don't have a 2nd this year. Also, do you not understand how marriage / divorce works? In the original analogy it's taking home the hottest girl early in the sifting process but that analogy insinuates you get your ride, then she goes home...but in this case, if you jump on the hottest girl, because of the cost involved, it is much more like marriage and what you have to "give up" to get the hottest girl...also, like in divorce, you don't get to just dump her and walk away with nothing more than a few hours of your life inconvenienced. Like in divorce, should you decide it's not working, you've lost significant amount of money, time, effort and lost out on other women who may have been a better fit had you not been so hot to jump on the pretty girl.

 

In other words, if you're going up to the bar to hit on the girl to take her home because she's the hottest in your opinion, you better be ready to marry her and give up everything I mentioned without really knowing who she is or what she brings into your house. If we were sitting at #2, then that would much more like being set up on a blind date, where she's smokin' hot and you decide to give it a go, but what you forfeit to get her is WAAAAAAAYYYY less....because it would be just 1 pick in a single year....

 

You are equating the two in my opinion which is wrong. You may not see any perceivable difference between Rosen and Rudolph, but you better believe Beane does. If Beane wants Rosen or Darnold, he doesn't think the alternative is "smoking hot" or else he would pick them instead. He could potentially be more interested in Rudolph and that's fine, but the scenario was to simply pick whoever was left over meaning you don't get any choice, she may not be "smoking hot", she may not be someone you even find intriguing or attractive, you are picking her solely because she's a girl which is the absolute wrong way to pick a QB. 

 

Edit: The most projected trade was #12, #22, 2nd, 3rd, and 2019 1st BTW. The McCoy / Peterman / draft picks rumor isn't the consensus of what it would take to move up. So yes we would have our #2 this year, but even if we didn't the point remains, we still have a ton of picks and aren't mortgaging much of anything.

Edited April 18, 2018 by What a Tuel

[quinnearlysghost88]

37 minutes ago, BillsFanMike said:

Please stay where we are at McBean. We need to gather talent and a QB will fall in the draft. It happens every year. Build up our depth.

This mentality has us where we are today. Build up around no QB, hope one comes along. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by quinnearlysghost88

[BigBuff423]

1 minute ago, Bill_with_it said:

So its ok to potentially waste a first round draft pick on settling for a qb ala Manuel, waiting for that “Potential” to come to fruition, and letting the fans sit through more non playoff seasons. Right now we have literally nothing in the closet capable of being a playoff qb. That doesnt change by hoping, it only changes by doing something about it. 

 

Dear God....I never said, nor would any reasonable person say, the Bills shouldn't Draft a QB. But as of today, the Bills at 12, you have a great chance at getting a good to great QB. By all accounts, it might even be Rosen...but it most likely would be someone like Jackson. And don't get me started on Jackson and the tired narrative of people regurgitating the fallacies about his game. But, jumping to #7 overall to get a guy like Rosen, isn't that bad...but giving up McCoy (which I'm fine with for the right reason), two 1st, two 2nds, and a 1st next year is INSANE, IMHO....going to 7th, is probably a 3rd this year to get there and maybe a 5th next or something like that....if that's what it takes to do it, fine.....but regardless, I'm ALLLLLLLLL for Drafting a QB, just not leveraging every piece of valuable Draft assets the Bills have to do it. 

[billsbackto81]

34 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 

what's wrong with that?

Waking up in the morning trying to figure out how to kick her to the curb while she's asking you, "what's for breakfast"?

[BuffaloBillyG]

My elite sources have confirmed:

 

Buffalo will draft at 12 & 22 next Thursday. Or they will move those picks and pick somewhere else. They may pick as high as 2 and as low as 32 in round 1. Also the guy they are locked into and WILL select will be both loved and hated on these boards. 

[Malazan]

I predict no matter what the Bills do that there will be people upset about it. 

[maryland-bills-fan]

6 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

So its ok to potentially waste a first round draft pick on settling for a qb ala Manuel, waiting for that “Potential” to come to fruition, and letting the fans sit through more non playoff seasons. Right now we have literally nothing in the closet capable of being a playoff qb. That doesnt change by hoping, it only changes by doing something about it. 

Move up to #2, draft Allen and relive the experience.

[Turk71]

2 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

So its ok to potentially waste a first round draft pick on settling for a qb ala Manuel, waiting for that “Potential” to come to fruition, and letting the fans sit through more non playoff seasons. Right now we have literally nothing in the closet capable of being a playoff qb. That doesnt change by hoping, it only changes by doing something about it. 

There were no good qbs in that draft. You could have moved up to #1 and still got garbage. The Bills moved back and got a 2nd rnd pick as well as Manuel. In hindsight not a terrible move so not a great example maybe. All of these qbs are 'potential' by the way, some more than others I am sure.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 minutes ago, crack said:

 

You didn't root for EJ?

 

Or tyrod ??

[BigBuff423]

4 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

You are equating the two in my opinion which is wrong. You may not see any perceivable difference between Rosen and Rudolph, but you better believe Beane does. If Beane wants Rosen or Darnold, he doesn't think the alternative is "smoking hot" or else he would pick them instead. He could potentially be more interested in Rudolph and that's fine, but the scenario was to simply pick whoever was left over meaning you don't get any choice, she may not be "smoking hot", she may not be someone you even find intriguing or attractive, you are picking her solely because she's a girl which is the absolute wrong way to pick a QB. 

 

But, that IS the difference....because in this scenario, the Bills still have a pick at 12 and can trade up to #7 or something to secure a guy they like a lot, just not so much as to give up multiple years' worth of assets. This isn't like you get 1 and the rest are horrible....and this isn't like getting one girl who looks like a 10 and everyone else is a 5....you've got a 9.5, 9, and a couple 8s, maybe a 7.5 all of which are good and ready to go, just not "elite" right out of the gate. But just like every...single....year, there will be a guy who falls in the Draft or "comes out of nowhere" and lights it up and everyone says, "Who?"....Dak, Cousins, Wilson, etc. I'm NOT advocating for waiting beyond the 1st, I'm not even advocating for NOT trading up...but I AM an advocate for NOT giving up so much when the team has so much else it needs to remain competitive. 

[Captain Murica]

2 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

My elite sources have confirmed:

 

Buffalo will draft at 12 & 22 next Thursday. Or they will move those picks and pick somewhere else. They may pick as high as 2 and as low as 32 in round 1. Also the guy they are locked into and WILL select will be both loved and hated on these boards. 

I see what you did there. 

 

[TheFunPolice]

Instead, you could meet a girl at the coffee shop... Cute, smart, into paranormal TV shows, does yoga and like veggies but will also go out with you to grab a burger... 

 

Wait, what are we talking about again? Lol

[reddogblitz]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Or tyrod ??

 

I root for 'em all.  Even Nasty Nate when he came in in the playoff game. And vs LA.  I also rooted mightily for EJ.  Same goes for Bad Bad Levi Brown.

Just now, Turk71 said:

There were no good qbs in that draft. You could have moved up to #1 and still got garbage. The Bills moved back and got a 2nd rnd pick as well as Manuel. In hindsight not a terrible move so not a great example maybe. All of these qbs are 'potential' by the way, some more than others I am sure.

 

You miss all the ones you don't swing at.

[Bill_with_it]

2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

Dear God....I never said, nor would any reasonable person say, the Bills shouldn't Draft a QB. But as of today, the Bills at 12, you have a great chance at getting a good to great QB. By all accounts, it might even be Rosen...but it most likely would be someone like Jackson. And don't get me started on Jackson and the tired narrative of people regurgitating the fallacies about his game. But, jumping to #7 overall to get a guy like Rosen, isn't that bad...but giving up McCoy (which I'm fine with for the right reason), two 1st, two 2nds, and a 1st next year is INSANE, IMHO....going to 7th, is probably a 3rd this year to get there and maybe a 5th next or something like that....if that's what it takes to do it, fine.....but regardless, I'm ALLLLLLLLL for Drafting a QB, just not leveraging every piece of valuable Draft assets the Bills have to do it. 

You just tried to muddy up what we were discussing with what if scenarios. You cant be serious, with settling on a qb at 12. Well maybe you can and its likely you thought EJ would be franchise too, along with the scrap heaps left at 12.   

You are also insinuating giving all the draft assets to which I didnt even state that. You are wuite the over reacting drama specialist. The rarity of finding a gem later on in the draft is just that, a rarity. Hopefully Beane learmed from Whaley’s terrible decision making.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

2 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Move up to #2, draft Allen and relive the experience.

 

Maryland, my good fellow... Just imagine the first time Allen slings one into the hospitality tent during 7 on 7 work!

[swnybillsfan]

45 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Doesn't matter if a QB falls, it should be the QB Beane wants. I would hope the 6 top QBs in this draft are not considered interchangeable.

i am usually against trading up, especially when burning up so many assets (allegedly). however, the qb position defies all logic. if there is a guy you want, and view him as a cut above the rest. do whatever it takes to grab him. it could be the difference between roethlisburger and losman. 

[PatQ34]

Just like with the last game of the season, it's not under our control...

 

But like the last game of the season, another team is gonna come through for us...

 

And we'll get the RIGHT QB...

 

Finally !! 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I root for 'em all.  Even Nasty Nate when he came in in the playoff game. And vs LA.  I also rooted mightily for EJ.  Same goes for Bad Bad Levi Brown.

 

I will root for him but I will still be pissed that we drafted him like EJ.

 

 

[SmokinES3]

44 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Instead of getting the hottest girl at the bar, I’m going to wait until bar closing and hopefully a non-beast will be left.  It’s a great strategy.

We can't pretend it's never worked though...  I can vouch for it.

[What a Tuel]

6 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

But, that IS the difference....because in this scenario, the Bills still have a pick at 12 and can trade up to #7 or something to secure a guy they like a lot, just not so much as to give up multiple years' worth of assets. This isn't like you get 1 and the rest are horrible....and this isn't like getting one girl who looks like a 10 and everyone else is a 5....you've got a 9.5, 9, and a couple 8s, maybe a 7.5 all of which are good and ready to go, just not "elite" right out of the gate. But just like every...single....year, there will be a guy who falls in the Draft or "comes out of nowhere" and lights it up and everyone says, "Who?"....Dak, Cousins, Wilson, etc. I'm NOT advocating for waiting beyond the 1st, I'm not even advocating for NOT trading up...but I AM an advocate for NOT giving up so much when the team has so much else it needs to remain competitive. 

 

You are still changing the narrative here. The post we disagreed with pleaded for Beane to stay where we were. All I want is for Beane to do what he thinks puts us in the best position to get the QB he considers the best prospect. I do not want him to settle, I do not want him to reach, I want him to do his job and do it right. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by What a Tuel

[RiotAct]

dear God, please make it stop...

[swnybillsfan]

23 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

Bills are gonna take who they take and I'm gonna root for them like I did with JP, Trent, Fitz, Brian Brohm, and Kyle Orton.

and i will be right there with you. i am a Bills fan for as long as they are the Buffalo Bills, and i will support whoever they put in a red, white, and blue uniform. but doing everything you can to get the guy that you want at the most important position in the best game in the world (well, minus that whole futbol thing) is pretty damned exciting! (and if we stay put then i will love all the talent they surround the new qb with)

[Bill_with_it]

3 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

There were no good qbs in that draft. You could have moved up to #1 and still got garbage. The Bills moved back and got a 2nd rnd pick as well as Manuel. In hindsight not a terrible move so not a great example maybe. All of these qbs are 'potential' by the way, some more than others I am sure.

Yeah there was plenty of others to draft rather than settle for EJ. Thats a terrible attitude. Ejs college coach warned others about him. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

dear God, please make it stop...

 

Preach!

 

Wish they just would make the deal.

 

 

[par73]

Wasn't this non-story posted last week?

[BigBuff423]

4 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

You just tried to muddy up what we were discussing with what if scenarios. You cant be serious, with settling on a qb at 12. Well maybe you can and its likely you thought EJ would be franchise too, along with the scrap heaps left at 12.   

You are also insinuating giving all the draft assets to which I didnt even state that. You are wuite the over reacting drama specialist. The rarity of finding a gem later on in the draft is just that, a rarity. Hopefully Beane learmed from Whaley’s terrible decision making.

 

I'm not insinuating anything (also, I held out hope for EJ, but was never convinced)...the scenario posted I restated: an extra 1st this year, two 2nds this year, McCoy....that's a ton of assets and yes, you forfeit a MLB, WR and Offensive lineman in exchange for the QB you creamed your jeans over....meanwhile, Jackson and even MAYBE Rosen is still there at 12 or even trading up to 7, but not giving up your other 1st this year or even one of your 2nds this year, probably a 3rd this year.....THAT's a big difference and if you don't think so, then there's nothing I can say.

 

Also, I'm not "over reacting drama specialist" I merely clarified the analogy. Take it down a notch....you tried to say that I wanted to wait in the later rounds to Draft a QB, which I do not, I clarified that as well despite your assumption and failure to comprehend what I wrote. That said, we agree to disagree, best wishes on the rest of your day and as always, Go Bills!