Two starting lineman gone. Are you still open to trading a 2019 1st?

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

OK now name all those examples of back up QB's winning superbowls.. 1990 Giants had a backup...

 

No matter how many times you slice it. Teams with better than average QB situations make the playoffs more often and represent in the Superbowl more often.

 

Yes you can have anomalies but nobody plays their cards on anomalies they play the odds

a better then average QB would not represent Buffalo in Superbowl on his own. They need help.   A QB will not stop 4 and goal from the 3 with :02 left.  We need offense.  We need defense.  We need special teams.  Balance is nice.  Andrew Luck is a top QB(and probably better then any QB in this draft).  Well he hasn't done much in his career- because he doesn't have the team.  Give me the team over the QB.  Give me the Vikes roster over the Colts

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, Ramza86 said:

 

Lol. Lets just say the bread is the offensive line. Without those two lovely little covers there is no hamburger and its just exposed...rotting slab of meat. 

Nah. It's just Atkins friendly then. An offense without a bun(defense), can still be very enjoyable with the right enhancers.

[Chicken Boo]

40 minutes ago, Pete said:

the 1985 bears, 1990 giants, 2002 bucs, and 2000 Ravens disagree

 

So 4 out of *52 Super Bowl Winners...

Edited April 10, 2018 by Chicken Boo

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, OJABBA said:

 

So, just suck this season, so you might be in a better position to draft a QB, because you sucked? But you don't want to suck because your Oline is crap, you want to have an okay Oline, and suck because the QB sucks?

 

Don't worry, they are gonna suck this season either way, so why not get the QB now?

I said to get the QB now. The 2019 pick though is the last thing that should be added. That’s the best asset. Start with 12, 22, 53 and 65. That’s a big offer. Add assets from there (96, 56, next year’s 3rd, etc...). 

[Misterbluesky]

11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Already known. Get the QB and continue to rebuild into the future.

Tell the season ticket holders that.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Misterbluesky said:

Tell the season ticket holders that.

 

Yeah. I'm sure they'd be ticked off about the new front office finally filling the 22 year long void at QB. 

[Misterbluesky]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Yeah. I'm sure they'd be ticked off about the new front office finally filling the 22 year long void at QB. 

Once again,you're assuming the new QB will the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:

Once again,you're assuming the new QB will the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

Better to not try. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Yes

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Richie came to Buffalo through FA. Guards are important to the offense, but are easier to find in the draft in rounds 3-5 or via FA. No reason to panic, i am glad the Bills found out now instead of a week before training camp. 

[ddaryl]

15 minutes ago, Pete said:

a better then average QB would not represent Buffalo in Superbowl on his own. They need help.   A QB will not stop 4 and goal from the 3 with :02 left.  We need offense.  We need defense.  We need special teams.  Balance is nice.  Andrew Luck is a top QB(and probably better then any QB in this draft).  Well he hasn't done much in his career- because he doesn't have the team.  Give me the team over the QB.  Give me the Vikes roster over the Colts

 

Yeah ok.. You have your opinion.  but your post and your replies failed to change the fact that the majority of playoff and superbowl teams require a better than average QB.

 

Your odds go up significantly with the QB.....  The team around the QB can be filled much more easily than getting a solid QB

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2018 by ddaryl

[BuffaloHokie13]

If that's what it takes to make the deal then yes, but I'd prefer not to. Also depends who we're dealing with and whether they prefer picks this year or next year.

[Fadingpain]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

100% would be open if we think he’s the guy 

I second this! 

 

The OL can be filled in on short notice hopefully in some kind of acceptable manner, and then improved upon over time.

 

The key, as always, is the QB.

 

 

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Once again,you're assuming the new QB will the greatest thing since sliced bread.

In fairness, aren't you assuming the same about any other position player you take instead of a QB? Is it any more of a guarantee that 1st round OL, LB, WR, etc., is going to pan out?

[NoSaint]

Just now, Fadingpain said:

I second this! 

 

The OL can be filled in on short notice hopefully in some kind of acceptable manner, and then improved upon over time.

 

The key, as always, is the QB.

 

 

 

Truly, you’ll never hear a GM say “we saw a franchise qb but we are just really weak at LG and couldn’t make the move”

[Ittakestime]

You would have to be nuts to trade a top 5 pick. Everyone knows this team is going to be horrid next year. I'm not trading a top 5 pick, 12th and 22nd. Not one player in NFL is worth that

[Misterbluesky]

Just now, K-9 said:

In fairness, aren't you assuming the same about any other position player you take instead of a QB? Is it any more of a guarantee that 1st round OL, LB, WR, etc., is going to pan out?

You are 100% correct...but I wouldn't be giving up my remodeled kitchen to take a player.

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Just wondering what you guys think. Its a tough sell for me now. 

 

Imagine taking a guy like Rosen with health issues already and some key holes on the O line. 

 

Could be a rough year and a rough record. We could be giving up a high pick next year if the 2019 1st is offered. 

 

 

Yep get a top QB

[JOSH HUFF]

I think you keep your picks and grab 1 O-lineman with one of your first picks if he is worthy of a first pick.  Without a good O-line it doesn't matter who your QB is.  Remember David Carr as a rookie, the guy got destroyed and never was the same!!

Year	Team	G	GS	Passing								Rushing				Sacked		Fumbles
				Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	TD	Int	Rtg	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Sack	YdsL	Fum	FumL
2002	HOU	16	16	233	444	52.5	2,424	5.8	9	15	62.8	59	282	4.8	3	76	411	21	7

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

You are 100% correct...but I wouldn't be giving up my remodeled kitchen to take a player.

That remodeled kitchen sure looks nice attached to that shanty. 

[Homey D. Clown]

nope.  selling the farm on crap-shoot QB is not my cup of tea.  I felt that way before incognito walked.

[DrDawkinstein]

As much as I've been pushing for Beane to "do what it takes" to get to #2, I've never included next year's 1st in that plan.

 

Regardless of the OL situation, I always expected a step back assuming a rookie QB would be starting, and we'd likely have a top 10 pick.

 

I'm all for trading away our first 6 picks this year, and/or even next year's 2nd. But the 2019 1st was never on the table, imo.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Just wondering what you guys think. Its a tough sell for me now. 

 

Imagine taking a guy like Rosen with health issues already and some key holes on the O line. 

 

Could be a rough year and a rough record. We could be giving up a high pick next year if the 2019 1st is offered. 

 

 

Without question. Get the QB first. Fill in later.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

the 1985 bears, 1990 giants, 2002 bucs, and 2000 Ravens disagree

 

Ha! Four teams in 50+ years, who were never able to recreate that magic again. Not good examples.

[Thurman#1]

7 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

I think you keep your picks and grab 1 O-lineman with one of your first picks if he is worthy of a first pick.  Without a good O-line it doesn't matter who your QB is.  Remember David Carr as a rookie, the guy got destroyed and never was the same!!

Year	Team	G	GS	Passing								Rushing				Sacked		Fumbles
				Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	TD	Int	Rtg	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Sack	YdsL	Fum	FumL
2002	HOU	16	16	233	444	52.5	2,424	5.8	9	15	62.8	59	282	4.8	3	76	411	21	7

 

 

David Carr didn't sit behind McCarron as the new guy is likely to do.

 

And David Carr was indeed destroyed by being pummelled unmercifully but it took three or four years of them simply not building an OL for him for the damage to get done.

[BobDVA]

spec·u·la·tion

[ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n]

NOUN

1. the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

   "there has been widespread speculation that he plans to quit" ·

   [more]

   synonyms: conjecture · theorizing · hypothesizing · supposition · guesswork · talk · 

    

   The above is what everyone here is doing,   Due to the fact that everyone here does not know the opposite of speculation, a sure thing!

   except of course you Brandon, we know your here, we know you are reading our thoughts and care what we think or is it just my own speculation.

    

    

    

[maryland-bills-fan]

24 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Yeah. I'm sure they'd be ticked off about the new front office finally filling the 22 year long void at QB. 

No.   If the trade away both 1st and both 2nds they will put a terrible product on the field next year. With a poor offensive line, the QB will be running for his life, the RB will be getting stuffed in the backfield and it will be 3 downs with negative yardage and a punt.  With 3rd team linebackers the other team will march down the field and have subs in the game in the second half.  It will be a terrible product on the field.  The fans who pay money to enjoy a football game will wander away and find other things to do. They will not be thrilled to see God's best rookie QB on the sideline with a clipboard.  They will not be thrilled to see the team treading water for the next 5 years while slowly sinking.  Are the fans sick of losing seasons now?  Wait until they see 4 more years with "hope in the future coming".    Okay, you can then root for the San Diego VAQUERO's in the future.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, maryland-bills-fan said:

No.   If the trade away both 1st and both 2nds they will put a terrible product on the field next year. With a poor offensive line, the QB will be running for his life, the RB will be getting stuffed in the backfield and it will be 3 downs with negative yardage and a punt.  With 3rd team linebackers the other team will march down the field and have subs in the game in the second half.  It will be a terrible product on the field.  The fans who pay money to enjoy a football game will wander away and find other things to do. They will not be thrilled to see God's best rookie QB on the sideline with a clipboard.  They will not be thrilled to see the team treading water for the next 5 years while slowly sinking.  Are the fans sick of losing seasons now?  Wait until they see 4 more years with "hope in the future coming".    Okay, you can then root for the San Diego VAQUERO's in the future.

 

Your shortsighted crusade is tired and boring.

[maryland-bills-fan]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Your shortsighted crusade is tired and boring.

It feeds the trolls

 

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

David Carr didn't sit behind McCarron as the new guy is likely to do.

 

And David Carr was indeed destroyed by being pummelled unmercifully but it took three or four years of them simply not building an OL for him for the damage to get done.

David Carr should be studied why you don't play a QB without building the team first

[george c]

44 minutes ago, BuffaninATL said:

 

dude with all due respect, I think you are really off the mark with this one; it's not a money issue or "saving face"......if someone says his kidneys and liver are failing, we need to take him at his word. It's a health and quality of life issue. A few extra bucks does not change this reality.

It does when Ritchie left the door open. Did you catch that part? It’s a money grab, and second thoughts about taking a pay cut.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, maryland-bills-fan said:

It feeds the trolls

 

It creates clutter.

[Boatdrinks]

50 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

And we lost a C,our MLB,two WR's,starting CB....that is a long list.

They replaced the starting CB ( who was frequently injured throughout his career) weren't interested in the MLB past a certain price point ( he's average) . The Wood retirement was a surprise, but C isn't a premier position in the NFL that costs a high draft pick. Bills WRs had overlapping skill sets : I.e too many slot receivers and no X among them. It's a problem , but cannot be addressed until the QB picture becomes clearer. No WR wants to come to the most unsettled QB situation in the entire NFL. 

[BuffaninATL]

1 minute ago, George C said:

It does when Ritchie left the door open. Did you catch that part? It’s a money grab, and second thoughts about taking a pay cut.

 

sorry, not buying what you're trying to sell .....

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

David Carr should be studied why you don't play a QB without building the team first

If only building a team were a linear process where you start with A, end in Z, and B through Y are all there in successive order year after year. 

13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

As much as I've been pushing for Beane to "do what it takes" to get to #2, I've never included next year's 1st in that plan.

 

Regardless of the OL situation, I always expected a step back assuming a rookie QB would be starting, and we'd likely have a top 10 pick.

 

I'm all for trading away our first 6 picks this year, and/or even next year's 2nd. But the 2019 1st was never on the table, imo.

I'd rather give up next year's 1st rather than our 2nd this year. Know value vs. unknown value. 

[MAJBobby]

Go get your QB. Get a top answer at the most inportant position in football

[richardb1952]

On the plus side, it appears Bills will gain an extra 5.9 mil in cap by him retiring.  

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

David Carr should be studied why you don't play a QB without building the team first

 

 

No, David Carr should be studied for how to do a ****ty job of building around a franchise QB. 

 

Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw and Peyton Manning should be studied for why you get your QB when you can, and you then build the team around them, and that as you build you pay attention to the OL.

 

That was the problem with Carr. They brought him in and then completely neglected the OL for the next four years. It was borderline criminal. But the lesson isn't get the QB after you've built a team for him. Build a good team and you'll be drafting 20th and won't be able to get a good QB.

 

Saying you should build a good team before drafting a QB is like saying you should save a million bucks before starting your business, so you won't risk being be driven out of business quickly. Sounds nice but in fact if you wait till you have that million bucks, you won't ever be able to start that business, or not till close to retirement age anyway. You start your business cheap, with very little money and if you have a good plan you'll have your million before too long. When the team's good, you have to rely on pure luck as to whether a good QB will be available that year and you're not likely to be able to pick him even if there is one there because you're picking too late.

 

When there's one key element and it's rare, you get it whenever you have a shot at doing so. No exceptions. And if it's faulty, you try again as soon as you can.

[Misterbluesky]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

They replaced the starting CB ( who was frequently injured throughout his career) weren't interested in the MLB past a certain price point ( he's average) . The Wood retirement was a surprise, but C isn't a premier position in the NFL that costs a high draft pick. Bills WRs had overlapping skill sets : I.e too many slot receivers and no X among them. It's a problem , but cannot be addressed until the QB picture becomes clearer. No WR wants to come to the most unsettled QB situation in the entire NFL. 

Boats...for all we know,Mayfield AND Allen might be there at 12.WR's...draft Chark since the only guy on the market is Maclin...screw him.I'm not worried about C,Groy was solid when Wood went down for the year after the Seattle leg blowout.

[Ramza86]

32 minutes ago, DougFlutie7 said:

Some of you fans are really, really dumb. You don’t change your plans for moving up in the draft to get your franchise QB for the next 15 years based on a 34 year old guard retiring. 

 

You might think about it if the QB rumors are targeting has a shoulder and a couple of concussions on his rap sheet. 

 

Id be a lot happier if we had our pick of QB...but right now its lookin like Rosen at 4 or lower.

 

You might not change your plans...but you sure as hell jeopardize a young QB with a weak line. Not deep either.