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Rex Ryan expects Buffalo Bills to make huge offer to Giants for No. 2 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

‘I do expect them to make a huge offer to the Giants and move up to No. 2. And if I was them, I would take Josh Allen. You need to have a guy to throw the ball in windy conditions, and no one has a bigger arm than that kid.’

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SMH..  

Sounds exactly like a Ryan choice.

Well, that's all I need to hear on who "not" to choose.

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Patriots don’t have a guy with a strong arm, and they seem to do ok in windy conditions.

 

That whole narrative has got to be one of the most ridiculous I have ever heard- just like we need to be a running team because of the conditions....I mean, when is it ever THAT windy during a game in Buffalo? Once a year, if that? 

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13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Patriots don’t have a guy with a strong arm, and they seem to do ok in windy conditions.

 

That whole narrative has got to be one of the most ridiculous I have ever heard- just like we need to be a running team because of the conditions....I mean, when is it ever THAT windy during a game in Buffalo? Once a year, if that? 

Brady had a cannon.  Everybody loses a little off their fastball when they hit 40. 

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47 minutes ago, George C said:

Rex Ryan expects Buffalo Bills to make huge offer to Giants for No. 2 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

‘I do expect them to make a huge offer to the Giants and move up to No. 2. And if I was them, I would take Josh Allen. You need to have a guy to throw the ball in windy conditions, and no one has a bigger arm than that kid.’

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SMH..  

Sounds exactly like a Ryan choice.

Well, that's all I need to hear on who "not" to choose.

So let's get a guy whose accuracy has been terrible in normal conditions. I'm thinking maaaaaybe, we should not listen to Rexy.

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1 hour ago, stony said:

Brady had a cannon.  Everybody loses a little off their fastball when they hit 40. 

I think you have your Tom Bradys confused. You must mean General Thomas Jefferson Brady. I'm sure he had a cannon in his regiment during the Civil War.

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1 hour ago, George C said:

Rex Ryan expects Buffalo Bills to make huge offer to Giants for No. 2 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

‘I do expect them to make a huge offer to the Giants and move up to No. 2. And if I was them, I would take Josh Allen. You need to have a guy to throw the ball in windy conditions, and no one has a bigger arm than that kid.’

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SMH..  

Sounds exactly like a Ryan choice.

Well, that's all I need to hear on who "not" to choose.

If I were a GM, I'd hire Rex just so he would have to change his Sanchez tattoo again :)

 

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1 hour ago, George C said:

Rex Ryan expects Buffalo Bills to make huge offer to Giants for No. 2 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

‘I do expect them to make a huge offer to the Giants and move up to No. 2. And if I was them, I would take Josh Allen. You need to have a guy to throw the ball in windy conditions, and no one has a bigger arm than that kid.’

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SMH..  

Sounds exactly like a Ryan choice.

Well, that's all I need to hear on who "not" to choose.

 

Thats some straight-up analytics.

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15 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I think you have your Tom Bradys confused. You must mean General Thomas Jefferson Brady. I'm sure he had a cannon in his regiment during the Civil War.

Nope.

I just have nightmares of 25yd ropes to Gronk up the seem.  He makes every throw look easy.  Even the 60 yard ones to Moss.   

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The only way I’ll be more pissed, then if we don’t move up..is if we DO move up and take this guy. No to Allen. No more drafting QBs that are still learning the basics. It’s to late once they get to this level. Let another team figure that out for a change. No to Allen. No at 2, no at 12. Just no period.

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1 hour ago, stony said:

Nope.

I just have nightmares of 25yd ropes to Gronk up the seem.  He makes every throw look easy.  Even the 60 yard ones to Moss.   

i never thought of brady as a guy with a rocket arm like favre or rodgers, but the guy has always had incredible accuracy and anticipation. the ball was always hitting his receiver in the hands while on the run. that far outweighs the ability to fire a laser beam.

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3 hours ago, stony said:

Nope.

I just have nightmares of 25yd ropes to Gronk up the seem.  He makes every throw look easy.  Even the 60 yard ones to Moss.   

He has plenty of arm to make the throws he needs to make; however, IMO, he never had a cannon for an arm. He has made his living in the 5 to 15 yard range with a quick release and accurate throws.

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6 hours ago, George C said:

Rex Ryan expects Buffalo Bills to make huge offer to Giants for No. 2 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

‘I do expect them to make a huge offer to the Giants and move up to No. 2. And if I was them, I would take Josh Allen. You need to have a guy to throw the ball in windy conditions, and no one has a bigger arm than that kid.’

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SMH..  

Sounds exactly like a Ryan choice.

Well, that's all I need to hear on who "not" to choose.

 

He Would.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Looper said:

Fair enough. And that's a great picture on the site :). So then we've established he's inaccurate in windy conditions. So, since you suggested I "try again", I looked further into this...

 

Allen's accuracy when playing on the road: 58%

http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

 

Laramie's wind conditions vs. Norman's wind conditions:

https://weatherspark.com/y/3574/Average-Weather-in-Laramie-Wyoming-United-States-Year-Round

https://weatherspark.com/y/8229/Average-Weather-in-Norman-Oklahoma-United-States-Year-Round

 

Laramie's windier, but not by that much...Louisville and Los Angeles are much less (I'd say obviously, but I did not realize how windy Wyoming was, so research was definitely vital). Buffalo actually lands between Norman and Los Angeles, wind-wise.

 

I will admit that I feel a bit dumb on the whole wind in Wyoming. However, looking into it has made me more resistant to the idea of Josh Allen. If he dropped and we took him while also able to draft a bunch of other players, then I'm all for his potential, but trading up to 2 as Ryan suggests and giving up on a bunch of draft picks, particularly considering last year we might have hit on a starting cornerback 1 and a starting left tackle (and the book is still out, borderline miraculously, on Zay Jones) on the picks in the 22-65 range, is questionable. I'd like the four chances to draft potential starters to help him if we take a guy who most experts label an ultimate boom-or-bust guy as Allen.

 

For the record, Tyrod Taylor had a 62% completion pct in Buffalo last year. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/14163/tyrod-taylor

 

 

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25 minutes ago, thurst44 said:

Fair enough. And that's a great picture on the site :). So then we've established he's inaccurate in windy conditions. So, since you suggested I "try again", I looked further into this...

 

Allen's accuracy when playing on the road: 58%

http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

 

Laramie's wind conditions vs. Norman's wind conditions:

https://weatherspark.com/y/3574/Average-Weather-in-Laramie-Wyoming-United-States-Year-Round

https://weatherspark.com/y/8229/Average-Weather-in-Norman-Oklahoma-United-States-Year-Round

 

Laramie's windier, but not by that much...Louisville and Los Angeles are much less (I'd say obviously, but I did not realize how windy Wyoming was, so research was definitely vital). Buffalo actually lands between Norman and Los Angeles, wind-wise.

 

I will admit that I feel a bit dumb on the whole wind in Wyoming. However, looking into it has made me more resistant to the idea of Josh Allen. If he dropped and we took him while also able to draft a bunch of other players, then I'm all for his potential, but trading up to 2 as Ryan suggests and giving up on a bunch of draft picks, particularly considering last year we might have hit on a starting cornerback 1 and a starting left tackle (and the book is still out, borderline miraculously, on Zay Jones) on the picks in the 22-65 range, is questionable. I'd like the four chances to draft potential starters to help him if we take a guy who most experts label an ultimate boom-or-bust guy as Allen.

 

For the record, Tyrod Taylor had a 62% completion pct in Buffalo last year. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/14163/tyrod-taylor

 

 

 

Thanks for taking the time to look. 

 

Having spent time in Wyoming, I can assure you that Laramie and Cheyenne are both very windy at times. How windy a place is should be factored into a completion % as part of the equation along with type of offense, quality of targets to throw to, etc. Not sure what the weighting should be, but it should be a piece of the pie. I'm not saying Allen would have been a 65% passer in SoCal, but we'll never know. 

 

I also don't think it wise to sell the farm and move up to #2 to take any of the top 4 rated QBs, including Allen. However, if Allen were to get by Denver @ #5, the Bills should take a chance on him as I think he'd be a great fit in Buff. He will need a year or maybe even two to get comfortable and that's OK with A.J. in the house. I still have Darnold @ 1, Rosen @ 2, Mayfield @ 3, Barkley @ 4, and Allen @ 5 in my mock. 

 

 

 

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I would not move up to draft Allen. I would seriously consider drafting him at #12 (though he'll be gone by then) but only if the other four (Lamar is #2 after Rosen on my list) are already off the board. He is a great prospect but 100% a project. I don't put too much stock in his 56% completion percentage. This is impacted by the offence he ran and the types of throws he was asked to make. Also I've seen him make very accurate big time throws as well as demonstrating good touch on occasion. So he is capable of doing what he needs to do imo insofar as improving his technique and throwing mechanics. That is not where the biggest risk is. Pocket presence and decision making when under pressure are the main questions in my view. If he can improve in these areas, he could easily develop into a high end QB but it probably takes very good coaching and a year or two behind a solid veteran starter just to find out if he can get there. Absolutely ideal physical attributes for playing the position tho, no doubt about that. God made Allen in his spare time on the seventh day, a Sunday.

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23 hours ago, stony said:

Brady had a cannon.  Everybody loses a little off their fastball when they hit 40. 

 

I thought it was one of the pre-draft knocks on Brady that he didn't have a strong arm.  There's that "geek bod" combine pick and the "Lacks a really strong arm, Can’t drive the ball downfield, Does not throw a really tight spiral" evaluation.

 

Brady worked hard after he was drafted and improved his arm strength considerably, but I don't think anyone ever thought he had a cannon.

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