Bills have private workout with Baker Mayfield

[Batman1876]

40 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Mayfield actually creates trouble for himself in the pocket, but drifting into pressure or not hitting his reads when they are open, or anticipating the routes. 

He still completed 75% of his passes from the pocket.

[buffalover4life]

4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

I like Mayfield a lot. More than most here, probably. I'd be ecstatic if the Bills were able to draft him, but I don't see it happening. 

I literally think he could be as good as Aaron Rodgers. Id give our first four picks for him and 1 next year, I hate the idea of him playing for the Jets..

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, buffalover4life said:

I literally think he could be as good as Aaron Rodgers. Id give our first four picks for him and 1 next year, I hate the idea of him playing for the Jets..

I totally agree! Or the Fish!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Here is what’s happening right now 

 

https://amp.businessinsider.com/2014-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-2013-10

 

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[H2o]

Best....QB....in....this....draft. Sign me up for that #6 Bills jersey if he is drafted. 

[Batman1876]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

 

Did Johnny football fail because of his height? Would they have overlooked his drug problem and not showing up to team activities if he were taller? 

59 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

The evidence is mounting. Keep him in the pocket and watch him flounder 

I actually watched him play Flounder in his middle school production of the little mermaid. He wanted to play Erik but they said he was too short for the role. Heck of a show though. 

[GreggTX]

4 hours ago, billspro said:

I have never been more nervous for a draft. 

Me too -- mostly because there are so many question marks surrounding these top QB's. I'd hate to see us trade up for a guy that busts, but sooner or later we have to take that risk if we ever want to be great like we were in the mid 60's.

[26TrapDraw]

4 hours ago, PIZ said:

Could the Bills move up to #6 now, and then still have enough to move from #6 to #2 on draft day.

 

For those who want Mayfield.....

 

 

Doesn't look too shabby in a Bills Uni.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, GreggTX said:

Me too -- mostly because there are so many question marks surrounding these top QB's. I'd hate to see us trade up for a guy that busts, but sooner or later we have to take that risk if we ever want to be great like we were in the mid 60's.

Do they? I'm all for trading up to get a QB and think that the Bills will. However, I'd guess that most SB winning teams or even just great/ very good teams did not trade up to draft their QB. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

4 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said:

Doesn't look too shabby in a Bills Uni.

Nah man. He looks like the friggin' punter.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

28 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

Did Johnny football fail because of his height? Would they have overlooked his drug problem and not showing up to team activities if he were taller? 

I actually watched him play Flounder in his middle school production of the little mermaid. He wanted to play Erik but they said he was too short for the role. Heck of a show though. 

 

I though we were just posting pictures of short QBs and I couldn’t find a good y a tittle  

[Batman1876]

Wanna see my Little LeBaron

 

[Chimp]

5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The other side of the coin is that you can only name 2 guys that were short and worth drafting high.

 

2!  That's it.

Rodgers...that's maybe it.

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said:

too short for the NFL

 

Yet he's taller than 2 of the 4 best QB's in the NFL today, and only an inch shorter than a 3rd guy in the top 4.  But ok.

[MrEpsYtown]

It's a tough spot. I don't like short quarterbacks. Everyone uses Brees and Wilson as examples. 

 

Brees had an unbelievable career at Purdue. Just ridiculously accurate, really smart, sneaky clean. He's a once in a lifetime player. Yet he went in the second round and didn't really hit his grove until he got with Sean Payton.

 

Wilson is an unbelievable athletic. Awesome speed and all that stuff. Huge hands, really smart and squeaky clean. He went in the 3rd. 

 

Here we have Mayfield. He's a gamer, shows some promise with accuracy in the pocket etc. He ain't Brees though. He can make plays with his legs, but not near the athlete of Wilson. With his 4.81 forty even Preston Brown might run him down. Plus there are off the field issues and he is very abrasive and likes to make excuses. I do think he has a chance to make it. 

 

The guy can obviously play and he has some projectable skills. But Mayfield is a huge question mark for me. I could see him going third to the Jets, fifth to the Broncos, or fall to the second round. Im really curious to see where he goes. 

[Mr_Robotulism]

Who cares about his height....he played behind 6'7$ lineman at OU and his passes didn't get batted down 

[billsredneck1]

6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

I like Mayfield a lot. More than most here, probably. I'd be ecstatic if the Bills were able to draft him, but I don't see it happening. 

our only shot is if he makes it to no.4. i think that tyrod trade set us up for a deal if things fall that way....

1. darnold

2. barkely

3.rosen

4. bills trade 2019 1st for mayfield. we get to keep our picks this year. done

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

It's a tough spot. I don't like short quarterbacks. Everyone uses Brees and Wilson as examples. 

 

Brees had an unbelievable career at Purdue. Just ridiculously accurate, really smart, sneaky clean. He's a once in a lifetime player. Yet he went in the second round and didn't really hit his grove until he got with Sean Payton.

 

Wilson is an unbelievable athletic. Awesome speed and all that stuff. Huge hands, really smart and squeaky clean. He went in the 3rd. 

 

Here we have Mayfield. He's a gamer, shows some promise with accuracy in the pocket etc. He ain't Brees though. He can make plays with his legs, but not near the athlete of Wilson. With his 4.81 forty even Preston Brown might run him down. Plus there are off the field issues and he is very abrasive and likes to make excuses. I do think he has a chance to make it. 

 

The guy can obviously play and he has some projectable skills. But Mayfield is a huge question mark for me. I could see him going third to the Jets, fifth to the Broncos, or fall to the second round. Im really curious to see where he goes. 

 

I don't get why it matters where those guys went.  The success of those guys is what has changed the prejudice.  So its irrelevant to today, now people see if a guy is good, he can succeed at this height and now are not downgrading him nearly as much on height like they used to.

 

And Brees was a first round projected QB and went with the first pick in the 2nd round.

 

He is a first round draft prospect, and its not a debate really.  What round other QB's were projected in has absolutely no relevancy on grading where he is worthy of being drafted. 

 

And again, the top 4 QB's in the NFL are Brady, Brees, Rogers and Wilson.  And Baker is taller than 2 of them, and just an inch shorter than one other.  His height isn't going to be why he succeeds or fails, if he is a good NFL QB he can and will succeed in the NFL regardless of his height.  

[billsredneck1]

5 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

What's the cost? Most teams with good QBs spent only one draft pick for them. That's a lot less risk. The reward is big if you hit, but if you don't you paid a huge price to find out. I think they should try to move up to get a QB. If Mayfield fell into their lap at 12 it's absolutely worth a shot. I don't think he falls that far though , contrary to the USA Today mock. 

i would not spend to go to 2...f that. if he makes it to 4 we already have a deal in place. if the jets take him, we're stuck so...

 

plan b rudolph....

[Manther]

7 hours ago, FluffHead said:

Workout was on Monday, per Rapoport

IMO opinion it is the biggest smokescreen of all!

 

I don't believe we will pick him due to his height.  

 

However, I think Mayfield will be a successful in the NFL as a starter.  And, if we pick him I will be excited.

 

[MrEpsYtown]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't get why it matters where those guys went.  The success of those guys is what has changed the prejudice.  So its irrelevant to today, now people see if a guy is good, he can succeed at this height and now are not downgrading him nearly as much on height like they used to.

 

And Brees was a first round projected QB and went with the first pick in the 2nd round.

 

He is a first round draft prospect, and its not a debate really.  What round other QB's were projected in has absolutely no relevancy on grading where he is worthy of being drafted. 

 

And again, the top 4 QB's in the NFL are Brady, Brees, Rogers and Wilson.  And Baker is taller than 2 of them, and just an inch shorter than one other.  His height isn't going to be why he succeeds or fails, if he is a good NFL QB he can and will succeed in the NFL regardless of his height.  

 Definitely think he is first rounder and I get what you are saying. I just have an unfair prejudice against the small quarterbacks. I think a lot of NFL people do too and that's why a guy like Brees drops. I'm a bit of a tradiotanilst in that sense. 

 

If if you are going to be a short quarterback you better be a super athlete or deadly accurate, otherwise I don't think you make it. That's imo. 

[Chuck Wagon]

I think his height is irrelevant.  I think he's had enough "incidents" to give teams pause.

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 Definitely think he is first rounder and I get what you are saying. I just have an unfair prejudice against the small quarterbacks. I think a lot of NFL people do too and that's why a guy like Brees drops. I'm a bit of a tradiotanilst in that sense. 

 

If if you are going to be a short quarterback you better be a super athlete or deadly accurate, otherwise I don't think you make it. That's imo. 

 

Well I think Baker is both an athlete and accurate.  The NFL QB he reminds me of is Steve Young personally, the way he can beat you with his legs when needed but is a smart and accurate QB from the pocket.  

 

Obviously being tall has its advantages, but the way I see it is simple.  If you take a guy thats a very good 6'3" QB and were to say make him 2 to 3 inches shorter, I dont think he goes from being good to a bust because of it.  He's either good or he is not good.  Just like if I take a failed 6'-0" QB and add say 2 to 3 inches to him,  I dont think he all of a sudden goes from a failure to a good QB.  

 

The guy can either play or he cant.  Baker isn't going to be less successful because he isnt 2 inches taller.  And I use 2" because if he was just 2" taller then his height would not even be talked about.  Just like Darnold isn't going to for sure be a good QB just because he's got great size.  

 

My personal opinion is that Baker is the best overall prospect in this draft at QB.  And I think because this draft is so packed with first round QB's who do have size, the nit picking to create operation between the prospects will be on his height and small off field stuff is going to allow a team to steal him as the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th QB off the board.  And I am hoping its the Bills.

 

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[MrEpsYtown]

47 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well I think Baker is both an athlete and accurate.  The NFL QB he reminds me of is Steve Young personally, the way he can beat you with his legs when needed but is a smart and accurate QB from the pocket.  

 

Obviously being tall has its advantages, but the way I see it is simple.  If you take a guy thats a very good 6'3" QB and were to say make him 2 to 3 inches shorter, I dont think he goes from being good to a bust because of it.  He's either good or he is not good.  Just like if I take a failed 6'-0" QB and add say 2 to 3 inches to him,  I dont think he all of a sudden goes from a failure to a good QB.  

 

The guy can either play or he cant.  Baker isn't going to be less successful because he isnt 2 inches taller.  And I use 2" because if he was just 2" taller then his height would not even be talked about.  Just like Darnold isn't going to for sure be a good QB just because he's got great size.  

 

My personal opinion is that Baker is the best overall prospect in this draft at QB.  And I think because this draft is so packed with first round QB's who do have size, the nit picking to create operation between the prospects will be on his height and small off field stuff is going to allow a team to steal him as the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th QB off the board.  And I am hoping its the Bills.

 

 

Fair enough. Great points and analysis and what you are saying makes a ton of sense. I'm very curious to see how it turns out and this thing cannot get here fast enough.

Edited March 22, 2018 by MrEpsYtown

[Norcalbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well I think Baker is both an athlete and accurate.  The NFL QB he reminds me of is Steve Young personally, the way he can beat you with his legs when needed but is a smart and accurate QB from the pocket.  

 

Obviously being tall has its advantages, but the way I see it is simple.  If you take a guy thats a very good 6'3" QB and were to say make him 2 to 3 inches shorter, I dont think he goes from being good to a bust because of it.  He's either good or he is not good.  Just like if I take a failed 6'-0" QB and add say 2 to 3 inches to him,  I dont think he all of a sudden goes from a failure to a good QB.  

 

The guy can either play or he cant.  Baker isn't going to be less successful because he isnt 2 inches taller.  And I use 2" because if he was just 2" taller then his height would not even be talked about.  Just like Darnold isn't going to for sure be a good QB just because he's got great size.  

 

My personal opinion is that Baker is the best overall prospect in this draft at QB.  And I think because this draft is so packed with first round QB's who do have size, the nit picking to create operation between the prospects will be on his height and small off field stuff is going to allow a team to steal him as the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th QB off the board.  And I am hoping its the Bills.

 

 

Ya I don't really buy into the height thing, I think it's because you have darnold and Allen who have the frames that scouts idolize. I honestly don't see how everyone has Mayfield below Allen. Obviously Allen is a freak athlete, but I think if Wentz didn't turn out to be a great gamble coming from a small school then Allen is far below Mayfield in the draft.

[Paul Costa]

If the Bills move up to #2 it’s not to draft Mayfield ?

[Yeezus]

8 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Ryans Leaf Manziel 2.0. 

 

Punk. Off field issues and horrible personality 

 

stay away

 

For the record he is my 3rd graded QB

 

 

 

 

 

 

wait isnt that what they say about Rosen hmmmmm?

 

 

No one gives a flying !@#$ about off the field issues and a "horrible personality" when you win games in the NFL

 

dude has the hunger and drive to put the team on his back and win games. 

Edited March 22, 2018 by Yeezus

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, Chimp said:

Rodgers...that's maybe it.

 

Rodgers is 6'2".  I understand in the real world it's a measly 2" we're talking about, but from a statistics standpoint, it matters in the NFL.

[Chimp]

31 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Rodgers is 6'2".  I understand in the real world it's a measly 2" we're talking about, but from a statistics standpoint, it matters in the NFL.

Maybe.

 

This is an interesting read either way. http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/02/stats_show_shorter_nfl_quarter.html

 

There are some stats guys here who can maybe tear this apart and let us know if it is bunk.  My apologies if it has been discussed prior.

[MrEpsYtown]

52 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Rodgers is 6'2".  I understand in the real world it's a measly 2" we're talking about, but from a statistics standpoint, it matters in the NFL.

Two inches can make quite the difference. ????

[billsherd]

People who like Mayfield seem to like him a lot. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Fair enough. Great points and analysis and what you are saying makes a ton of sense. I'm very curious to see how it turns out and this thing cannot get here fast enough.

 

Thanks and totally agree.  This is an exciting class with 5 legit first round prospects, so honestly I will excited about any of the 5.  I just have a personal like of Baker overall, but all of the QB's have a lot of upside and potential.  

4 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

Ya I don't really buy into the height thing, I think it's because you have darnold and Allen who have the frames that scouts idolize. I honestly don't see how everyone has Mayfield below Allen. Obviously Allen is a freak athlete, but I think if Wentz didn't turn out to be a great gamble coming from a small school then Allen is far below Mayfield in the draft.

 

Agreed, its a copy cat league.  And if there wasn't a Wilson and Brees, then Baker would be ranked lower too.  For me, I prefer the tape to explanations about why they didn't do things well.  That is why Allen scares me the most because you have to justify his low completion %.  He is still quite intriguing, so wouldn't hate drafting him, but those are the things that make me nervous about a prospect...when you have to justify why they didn't do things better in college.

[MAJBobby]

13 hours ago, Yeezus said:

 

 

No one gives a flying !@#$ about off the field issues and a "horrible personality" when you win games in the NFL

 

dude has the hunger and drive to put the team on his back and win games. 

 

So Rosen doesnt have an issue personality then either right 

[CuddyDark]

14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So Rosen doesnt have an issue personality then either right 

It's not necessarily personality with Rosen it's like that Florida State safety who wanted to be a doctor. Rosen might not love football. He doesn't need it. His issues with personality is he might be flighty and aloof, tough to coach. It's different. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

It's not necessarily personality with Rosen it's like that Florida State safety who wanted to be a doctor. Rosen might not love football. He doesn't need it. His issues with personality is he might be flighty and aloof, tough to coach. It's different. 

 

And yet He, His coaches and his teammates say otherwise but people still want to keep pushing these issues. 

 

But mayfield is firery and has Moxy not a Ryan Leaf jerk. 

 

Cant have both 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

And yet He, His coaches and his teammates say otherwise but people still want to keep pushing these issues. 

 

But mayfield is firery and has Moxy not a Ryan Leaf jerk. 

 

Cant have both 

Temperament and individual character are a complex mix.  It isn't a simple diagnosis, so what is a positive contributor with one person might work against another.  To many elements to be able to quickly discern, imo.  I don't care about Rosen's quirky personality.  I worry about the concussions.  You better build a strong oline.  That's always important, but with a somewhat lean fella with a history of concussions and poor pocket awareness (at least, that's what Mayock says, I don't know,) you better emphasize protection.  Anyway, I like Rosen, but he's not my first choice.

 

 

[Batman1876]

The workout was very private, I understand there were candles and wine.

[CuddyDark]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

And yet He, His coaches and his teammates say otherwise but people still want to keep pushing these issues. 

 

But mayfield is firery and has Moxy not a Ryan Leaf jerk. 

 

Cant have both 

A jerk is different than someone who might not be around for the long haul. Rosen is the toughest to invest in long term IMO. He has those issues I stated before. Plus he's built like RG3 and Brady and Matt Ryan with skinny legs. Lets say he get a knee injury, is he fighting back to play? He has a history of concussions, if he get more than a couple during his rookie contract will he retire? You're thinking like a fan. When running a business you have to think about personalities and the their long term ramifications.

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Temperament and individual character are a complex mix.  It isn't a simple diagnosis, so what is a positive contributor with one person might work against another.  To many elements to be able to quickly discern, imo.  I don't care about Rosen's quirky personality.  I worry about the concussions.  You better build a strong oline.  That's always important, but with a somewhat lean fella with a history of concussions and poor pocket awareness (at least, that's what Mayock says, I don't know,) you better emphasize protection.  Anyway, I like Rosen, but he's not my first choice.

 

 

 

He may be lean looking but he is thick. And the Body Mass measurement from Combine shows that. 

 

I am worried a bit about the Concussions however NFL Rules will help there seeing he cannot be touched in the head, also you are now about a year removed. 

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

A jerk is different than someone who might not be around for the long haul. Rosen is the toughest to invest in long term IMO. He has those issues I stated before. Plus he's built like RG3 and Brady and Matt Ryan with skinny legs. Lets say he get a knee injury, is he fighting back to play? He has a history of concussions, if he get more than a couple during his rookie contract will he retire? You're thinking like a fan. When running a business you have to think about personalities and the their long term ramifications.

 

No I am thinking like a best player at the position. And that is him. 

 

My NFL Rules offset the concussion thing

 

and Granted I dont have access to him but if a team takes him up there you can be assured they are good with his Want too

 

 

Stay away from Baker Mayfield he will be arrested and suspended before his tookie contract up

[CuddyDark]

9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

No I am thinking like a best player at the position. And that is him. 

 

My NFL Rules offset the concussion thing

 

and Granted I dont have access to him but if a team takes him up there you can be assured they are good with his Want too

There is no rule against hitting a QB and his head bouncing off the turf. We disagree with him being the best player. He could be good, he could be a bust. At the end of the day the best QB have always been the best fighters. You better have a damn good team if you take Rosen.

Edited March 22, 2018 by CuddyDark