SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, ngbills said: What are you saying then. Clearly the Bills and other NFL teams did not give up on TT early last season. How many millions are spent on scouting and guys still get it wrong. You can watch every second and have every piece of analysis and still get it wrong. Which other teams? Please don’t list rumors. Well if Cleveland wanted him last season they have him now. Sure they can get it wrong. To whit I guess my point stands. Pros get it wrong so how can a fan claim he has it right? Kitby is a smart guy no doubt but he’s just a fan as far as I recall. Edited March 22, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 14 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Plenty of QBs who have had illustrious careers have had horrible starts. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000445192/article/troy-aikman-peyton-manning-among-qbs-with-bad-first-starts I don’t care what the anomalies are. He’s barely played a game and a half total and has 6 picks already. I cant think of anything fans saw in him that makes anyone want to invest more time in him. A 5th Rounder is not a plan at QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I don’t care what the anomalies are. He’s barely played a game and a half total and has 6 picks already. I cant think of anything fans saw in him that makes anyone want to invest more time in him. A 5th Rounder is not a plan at QB. What round was Tom Brady? A 6th Rounder What round was Tyrod Taylor? A 6th Rounder What round was Ryan Fitzpatric? A 7th Rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 23 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: What round was Tom Brady? A 6th Rounder What round was Tyrod Taylor? A 6th Rounder What round was Ryan Fitzpatric? A 7th Rounder Give me a break. Whatever man. Maybe we we should find Levi Jones because after all he was a 7th Rounder and he “never got a fair shake”. Nate Peterman stunk up the joint immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Rush judgement on ‘ole Pick-6 Peterman? No, why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) A number of top QBs have had horrible games where they threw multiple interceptions, many more than one. NFL Passes Intercepted Single Game Leaders. Here's a sampling: Ken Stabler: 7 John Brodie: 6 Joe Namath: 6 (3x) Norm Van Brocklin: 6 Brett Favre: 6 Peyton Manning: 6 Joe Ferguson: 6 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm Edited March 23, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 You Peterman bashers are Crazy. That guy set NFL quarterback records last year and you want to cut him? He was incredible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Don't we already have this thread? Still on the front page a few lines below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 It's almost as if you're asking if "there's a rush to judgment" about a certain QB.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 These greats probably had way more good throws than bad throws in those games too. Peterman looked completely inadequate. These are not good comparisons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 For those still angry with McD for tarting Peterman in that Charger game... Part of the decision-making there I still believe was to get a better idea of what the team had in Peterman. To see if he could potentially be an upgrade over Tyrod and possibly even the future of the franchise. The fact that he crapped the bed easily answered those questions. Imagine if he had not started that game and all we had to go by was preseason and occasional mop-up duty. There would probably some folks still wondering seriously whether he is "the answer". I don't think even his biggest supporters around here are calling for that. I am not saying the book is out on him and that he can;t improve, but the odds of him being more than a career backup do not look good at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, TPS said: It's almost as if you're asking if "there's a rush to judgment" about a certain QB.... If we trade up and draft one of the top 3 QBs and he has a bad game, do we throw him under the bus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I think 2 or 3 more Peterman threads started by the same guy will convince people that he is the real deal 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 The only thing at risk here is Petermans brain. If gets over that game, he’ll be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 We need to call Jeff Tuel up and let him get a “fair shake” too while we are at it- poor guy wasn’t given a whole season to show his stuff. look, I’m sure Nate is a good guy, and probably a better QB than we have seen, but he needs to take the opportunities he gets and run with them. He’s got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s better than what we have/had at starter. He did not. Perhaps next time- if there is a chance- he can do it... but he has shown nothing to this point that he is the future HOF QB for the Bills. We have a potential prospect in a Rookie via the draft, and McCarron. They’ll go to camp and the best prostpect will start. Peterman has until then to show us something we haven’t seen yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Peterman will get a chance to compete and show if he's improved in training camp. There is no reason to cut him anytime before final cutdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Around here? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 He's a 5th round pick...lets get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I’m not convinced we’ve wasted enough time on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Not at all. However, one bad pass defines you forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 He's still on the team. Many people felt Kirk Cousins was trash his first couple years. Let the kid develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: He's a 5th round pick...lets get real. He played like a UDFA most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 7:09 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: A trained eye should have known to give up in TT early last season. Give up and do what? They had 2 other quarterbacks on the team - Webb and Peterman. They tried the second best guy for a game. He embarrassed himself, the coaches and the Buffalo Bills organization with record setting bad play. So, HOW do you suggest they would have given up in a better way? Play (throw it to the other team)Peterman at QB the rest of the year and shoot for record number of interceptions in a season ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He played like a blind UDFA with no arms most of the time. FIFY Edited March 23, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: He played like a UDFA most of the time. I remember 2 good QBs Eli Manning and Donavon McNabb looking like UDFA in their 1st starts. It's not how you start your career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: If we trade up and draft one of the top 3 QBs and he has a bad game, do we throw him under the bus? Corrected........Under the Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: I remember 2 good QBs Eli Manning and Donavon McNabb looking like UDFA in their 1st starts. It's not how you start your career. 1 one was picked 1st overall, 1 was picked 2nd. That’s 170 picks ahead of Peterman. I would say that it’s fair to believe that they were more highly thought of prospects wouldn’t you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: I remember 2 good QBs Eli Manning and Donavon McNabb looking like UDFA in their 1st starts. It's not how you start your career. Comparing Peterman to McNabb and Eli is laughable based on the disparity in talent. It's nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Bad Game? That's like saying 9-11 was an off day. Edited March 23, 2018 by Irv 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Peterman will get a chance to compete and show if he's improved in training camp. There is no reason to cut him anytime before final cutdowns. As long as he doesn't have to throw a sideline out he will be fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: 1 one was picked 1st overall, 1 was picked 2nd. That’s 170 picks ahead of Peterman. I would say that it’s fair to believe that they were more highly thought of prospects wouldn’t you? That's not the point. The point is we shouldn't rush to judgement on young QBs. Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, JP Losman, and EJ Manuel were all benched before starting a full 16 games. We are so fast to label QBs busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 8:28 AM, Sky Diver said: Plenty of QBs who have had illustrious careers have had horrible starts. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000445192/article/troy-aikman-peyton-manning-among-qbs-with-bad-first-starts The only rush seems to be a group that wants him to be better than he probably is... he’s a day three guy for a reason. Maybe he surprises but probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Comparing Peterman to McNabb and Eli is laughable based on the disparity in talent. It's nonsense. Again, not even the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: 1 one was picked 1st overall, 1 was picked 2nd. That’s 170 picks ahead of Peterman. I would say that it’s fair to believe that they were more highly thought of prospects wouldn’t you? I think the bills should give me a fair shot. I might not get the job done the first week, but just you wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: Again, not even the point. There is no point when you try to hold out hope for him by comparing him to QBs who were 1st and 2nd overall picks in their respective draft classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 My biggest fear with trading up for a QB is will the fans turn on him if he doesn't light it up his 1st year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: That's not the point. The point is we shouldn't rush to judgement on young QBs. Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, JP Losman, and EJ Manuel were all benched before starting a full 16 games. We are so fast to label QBs busts. You are missing the point then. Guys like Levi Brown, Brian Brohm, Jeff Tuel are the types of prospects that compare to Peterman. They were extreme long shots (outside of Brohm) that looked terrible. Those guys don’t get he same rope as the 1st overall pick!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: There is no point when you try to hold out hope for him by comparing him to QBs who were 1st and 2nd overall picks in their respective draft classes. I don't care at all about Peterman at this point. We could have this conversation about QBs we labeled franchise QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: That's not the point. The point is we shouldn't rush to judgement on young QBs. Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, JP Losman, and EJ Manuel were all benched before starting a full 16 games. We are so fast to label QBs busts. It's the nature of the NFL. The pressure on coaches to be decisive is immense. They can get away with erroring on the side of caution. They get fired sooner for erroring on the other side. An example of that mentality is when Rex chose to punt late in the Miami game even though he knew it would very likely cost the Bills the season. In Rex's case he got fired anyway - but his mentality was that of trying to save face. Edited March 23, 2018 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, PolishDave said: It's the nature of the NFL. The pressure on coaches to be decisive is immense. They can get away with erroring on the side of caution. They get fired sooner for erroring on the other side. I have watched this fan base bury QB's fast. If Josh Rosen plays like Jared Goff did his 1st year I doubt Rosen survives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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